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The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« on: May 14, 2010, 01:05:10 AM »

Matt Bowen of the National Football Post is writing a series of articles that I think will be interesting to read. His first article is on the Tampa 2 Defense with specific comments this is what Perry Fewell will be bringing to the G-Men.


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Inside-the-playbook-the-Tampa-2.html

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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 09:05:24 AM »
Dasher here is why I can't see the Giants using a Tampa 2 as their base D:

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The Mike Backer is the key to this defense and the reason I highlighted his drop in red. He has to be able to run with that inside vertical throughout the route and only at the throw will he get safety help. Think of Chicago and Brian Urlacher — fast, athletic linebackers who can run. A necessity for this defense.

The Giants simply don't have that sort of fast athletic MLB.   I think the draft sort of gave us a hint that they are not looking to be a Tampa 2 D.  If that was their intentions I could have seen them going after MLB prospects like Weatherspoon or Butler (who were impressive athletes).   Since they passed on those prospects and settled on a prospect that was less athletic and fast (even their UDFAs fit that mold) I just can't see them going with this D as their base (they would get killed by teams with good TEs or pass catching RBs).
« Last Edit: May 14, 2010, 09:41:31 AM by MightyGiants »
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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 09:31:37 AM »
It's better than the Stooge 3 Defense.

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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 09:44:53 AM »
That's why Wilkerson is being considered for the Mike. He is the only LB that when healthy has the ability to cover a TE.

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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 09:50:24 AM »
That's why Wilkerson is being considered for the Mike. He is the only LB that when healthy has the ability to cover a TE.
Flies, exactly. If healthy, Wilks has the proper skill set for the MIKE in the defensive scheme described in the link above.

Of course, the "if" in "if healthy" is Linval Joseph-sized. I am a Wilks fan and I don't have a lot of faith.

Didn't we play Cover 2 under Spags? Rush four, drop seven? Isn't the Tampa 2 just a riff on Cover 2?
« Last Edit: May 14, 2010, 09:55:13 AM by Chris »

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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 09:59:36 AM »
Cover 2 means two players deep in zone.  In front of that can be zone or M2M or some hybrid
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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 10:01:29 AM »
Agree Wilks is the only one who can cover a TE or RB or for that matter Randy Moss - but all other MIKES are strong point of attack guys with that skill set. I do not see this as our base D....Our corners are press guys and this D is not a press D for the corners....If you play this D you negate what TT / Weby and Ross do best...

However you do play to the strength's of the S - KP / Rolle and Jones..

Chris - I too have always been a Wilks guy - last chance this year - too much speed and talent / shake the inj and see what we got..

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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 10:15:56 AM »
My problem with Wiilks is the lack of a second player with a similar skill set.  It's not a good idea to build a defense around a player that has a bad injury history.   The only way one should do that, is if they have a solid backup behind them, and that simply isn't the case with the Giants.
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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 10:26:08 AM »
didn't Fewell say when he was hired that he wasn't locked into any particular defense and that he would fit what he did to the talent available to him, if thats true then how does the media know what Fewell doesn't...

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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 10:39:05 AM »
didn't Fewell say when he was hired that he wasn't locked into any particular defense and that he would fit what he did to the talent available to him, if thats true then how does the media know what Fewell doesn't...

It's an assumption on their part based on what Fewell ran in Buffalo.   The style of defense will become more clear as the press sees mini-camp and OTAs and can see what they are running.  Plus as the players start to play in the new system their comments will also give hints as to what to expect.
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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2010, 01:40:40 PM »
Just curious, but no one has really commented on his workshop on the Tampa 2.  A key is the N to control the A Gaps- I think that is where Joseph fits in.
I liked his discussion and descriptor of this D. I learned quite a bit from it. Looking forward to his next blackboard lesson.
By the way, Bowen is not your average media guy. He played the game for the Skins and is quite knowledgable with contacts. If he specifically mentions Fewell, I pay it a lot of credence- like the calm before the storm.
N: Rush A-gap weak with a two-way go on the offensive guard.


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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2010, 03:24:02 PM »
Wilkerson is not a guy who is capable of staying on the field as by now we should recognize.
Dillard seems to posses pretty good speed from what I see on film but i think Fewell will adapt his schemes to fit the personnel.

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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2010, 04:50:18 PM »
If the four man DL can't get sufficient pressure on the QB, we'll get toasted in the Tampa 2. We'll need a helluva' Mike for that Scheme, & that we ain't got.

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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2010, 05:15:10 PM »
Please don't run a read and react defense with these guys, they'll get blasted while they are trying to learn a system like that. Attack the majority of the time or we'll be seeing more blowouts this season. Man up, kill the QB with stunts and blitzes and hope the offense can score more than nine points against the good teams, that's my strategy anyhow, lol. 

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Re: The Tampa 2 as our new base defense
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2010, 06:04:28 PM »
Uh - oh.  Looks like the MLB matters afterall....even in the Giants Defense.