Look at the title of the thread. I am pretty sure Grudem didn't discover what school he went through. Rather he exposed the fact that Cam knows next to nothing about football
Oh I'm sorry, you only look at the few words in a title to see what a thread is about. We are different in this respect. I read a whole thread post and the entire link referenced therein to see what it is about. and if after reading I find a point other than the thread title, I feel free to inject that into the discussion. I think thats what makes this board great, good discussions with knowledgeable people. You posted a quote and a link, which I read entirely and looked at entirely. In both your quote, and more at the article, Gruden talked about the Auburn offense. I noted that part where he asked Cam Newton to tell him what an Auburn play call sounds like.
I then thought I would inject into the conversation what I hoped was an intelligent and well thought out point that just because schools like Auburn and Oregon run an offense that does not use traditional play calls but instead use literally giants boards with either numbers or pictures of strange things on them, does not mean that a QB for one of these schools can not be great in the NFL. I do think Gruden feels this way, as it appears hat you do, and I respectfully disagree.
I also think that since these types of offenses are growing in the college level, its a very good discussion to have as to whether one of these offenses can post a good QB. Considering both of the schools I mentioned were in the national title game, both had Heisman finalists and the Oregon QB is a Heisman favorite going into the season, whether a QB from either of these schools can make it in teh nfl seems a very valid point and a natural response to your post. Even more so because this style of offense is growing at the Pac-10 and SEC, which are pretty well known to be two of the best conference in the college game, its probable that the better HS QBs will get recruited to schools running this style of offense.
I felt it was tremendous shorting for Gruden to suggest the Auburn offense was simple and could not project a good NFL qb. I put in my very first post that Cam Newton's real weakness may any number of things, but I think that Gruden's comments can be read as an indictment of an offense that is being mirrored "en masse" at the college ranks. I think my point is indeed valid, and also does nothing whatsoever to contradict your opinion that Cam Newton will not make a good NFL QB. Its exactly what your thread started with and was a fair point for me to comment on.
Its clear that you think school matters a great deal. I do not. I think I made a valid point, and now that I review it, hell I was even a little more articulate than I often am. My point was a logical response to the one you made, and I dare say some people here actually enjoyed reading it and discussing it. Having gone to Oregon, having watched every one of their games the past 15 years, being that I am flying there this coming weekend for the Spring Game to watch the offense and see how it develops without out best WR and the loss our Center, I thought I might be able to contribute something unique to the conversation, or at least from a perspective that is not common on this board. I hope others feel that I did and my contribution was both valid, thought provoking and entertaining to discuss.
On Cam, I will say again what I said in my very first post in this thread, he is a huge risk, with an upside somewhere higher than heaven and a downside south of hell. I would never pick him with the first pick, but someone might.