If you were TC how would you try and right the team?

[MightyGiants]

Me I would revamp the offensive line and sign Brown off the practice squad.   I would bench Jacobs and make him inactive on game day.   The new look O-line would be Beatty LT, Snee LG, Boothe C, Baas RG and either Diehl or McKenzie RT.   I would run Scott a lot more than they have done to date.  With the state of the O-line speed is a now greatly needed.

On offense I would bring back the quick throw to the WR at the LOS.   I would use this with Cruz playing out wide.   Cruz has a gift for making plays and this seems like a good opportunity for him and it would stretch the defense wide.   

I would also look to add more 3 and 5 step passing plays and reduce the number of 7 step drops.  The deep passes are not working and they are going to get Eli killed.   

On defense I would play the heavy nickel with Herzlich at SLB and Boley at MBL or WLB and Grant at the other LB position.   I would bench Tuck until he can play like Tuck.  I would put Kiwi back on the line where he performs best.   I would put JPP back out at DE and stop putting him at DT where he has not been effective. 

I would sign the best DB out there (either a street vet or another team's practice squad) to replace Coe.   

I would reduce the amount of zone played in favor of 2 deep man coverage. 

On specials I would let JJ (if he is healthy) start returning punts, as I don't want to risk Ross or Cruz.  I would give Thomas back his KR role as he was still the best the team has.

Finally I would bench the invisible Bernard for Kennedy who at least is hungry and has talent.

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[JonDotHcor]

I like most of what was said above, I just don't think we have the personnel at this point to fix the OL. Diehl is done, he has been abysmal, Baas is getting worked by trying to clean up for Diehl, Mackenzie has just fallen off for some reason, like he has just given up, and something is off with Snee. Its like the OL is just over it, and they just want to get payed and get out of 2011.

Our defense has issues, but they wouldn't be so glaring if they weren't on the field all the fn time thanks to our shoddy OL.  One issue is CB depth which is why we are stuck in zone, and Tuck being a shell of himself has rendered the pass rush pedestrian. The Def has hung in there and done well, but has come up small in critical moments, moments when they should have been on the bench, but our Off cant convert 3rd downs, and Weathoford is being overworked.

[NYSPORTS]

1.  Like Carl Banks mentioned on Tues, the Giants OL needs to go man on man.
When everybody else in the NFL can run against the Eagles, and the Giants average 1.7 yards, the scheme is wrong.  The Eagles shot the gaps every single time a OL pulled.  Stop doing it, stop pulling the guards and just slant the line.  Opponents are running down the play before the back gets anywhere.  We also saw it multiple times against the 49ers where Willis just ran through an empty hole where the guard pulled and runs the play down.  Philly did the same.

2.  Does Perry Fewell only dial up the defense when his team is 9 point underdogs to the Patriots?  How about dialing it up against the lesser QB's and force them to hurry their throws.  With all the injuries, this defense needs to take more chances.  With Tuck injured I don't believe lining up Tollefson next to Tuck at DT is anything more than creativley comical.

3. With a change in blocking scheme, see if Jacobs can do anything.  Otherwise, just keep giving him less and less a role.  It appears to be happening anyway.  Despite fumbling the ball on his first carry, I'd give Scott a few more carries. 

4.  It's late November, we're overdue for some Jernigan.  The kid should be at least returning kickoffs if not a few short patterns where his agility could really help.  Eli is going more and more to Pascoe over the middle so Jernigan might be a nice dump off.  Especially if the OL collapses.

[gregf]

I like mights plans, with a few tweaks. I would move kiwi back on the line next year and g woth Boley Herz and Kiwi at lb. I would like to see petrus get some snaps, maybe even ay fullback as well.
I would bench Jacobs, diehl, and grant. Get prince a lot of playing time. More touches for scott. I like the man to man coverage plans as well.

[jerseyguy]

personally I think its too late in the season to do anything for this season because I think we're already seeing the late season slide. However for next season I think we have to see an overhaul of the coaching staff from top to bottom and an infusion of new younger more talented players. I'm not buying into this business about injuries being the reason although I know it makes it harder to be successful but not impossible because other teams are playing very well with adversity. One more thing that won't be popular here is that I'm not sold on Jerry Reese either, he seems to be coasting along now with one or two moves he's made and not too much else...

[Suburbanites II]

I would make one change to the offensive line, I'd bench Diehl in favor of Stacey Andrews, Petrus or Boothe.  I'd put Prince full time on the slot receiver and move Rolle back to his FS position, if he gets burned occasionally so be it. I'd make Scott my primary back until Bradshaw returns, rookie running backs emerge out of nowhere all the time; at least this kid has some explosiveness. I'd try to get Bardin more involved and believe it or not I'd give Beckham yet another chance. I would play Herzy the rest of the way at the Mike and play Williams more on passing situations. There's enough talent on this team to turn things around regardless of the schedule. TC is not coming back if this team collapses again, he might as well coach balls to the wall.

[bamagiantfan]

Above all, I wouldn't panic.

We have 4 losses
 - a loss to Washington who was simply healthier and more organized coming out of preseason than the Giants.
 - a loss to Seattle where we were driving for the winning score and a receiver slipped coming out of his break, causing an interception.
 - a loss to San Francisco who looks like the most balanced team in the NFC, but we were right with them the entire game.
 - a loss to Philadelphia where we held them to 17 points but couldn't make the plays down the stretch to tie.

Now we have some wins that could easily have been losses as well, so the biggest thing I would be doing is talking to my veterans to figure out what the mindset is of this team so I can avoid chewing my findernails down to the bone against (seemingly) every opponent. There is no urgency to jump on a team early or to put one away. There needs to be. We can't afford to take Seattle into the 4th quarter and win it then. Sh!t happens.

This team has to start trying to do more with the little plays.
 - Every RB and WR seems to willingly step out of bounds rather than try to take on the last player between them and the end zone.
 - RBs, in games against teams like Philly and San Francisco, 3 yards is a decent gain. Stick your nose in there, push the pile, and get what you can. A bounce outside for no gain doesn't help.
 - Just catch the ball, especially on 3rd down. Don't worry about the extra yards until you have the ball.
 - And as coaches, we need to make the backup QBs beat us. We make Charlie Whitehurst and Vince Young look like Charlie Connerly and Steve Young. We need to blitz them and force mistakes. The only way they can beat us if we give them time to throw. They can't pick us apart under pressure. Few QBs in the NFL can, and these guys ain't them.

[worf49]

My two cents worth:

1) OL Booth replaces DD, Baas stays at Center, Petrus replaces Snee, and Cordle replaces KMAC.

2) Scott stays as KO Returner, Thomas returning KO's is simply illogical he has done nothing all season Scott at least has the potential for a  big run back.

3) Playing calling on Offense has got to become far more insightful.

4) JPP goes back to DE full time unless he needs a breather, OSI plays in obvious passing downs from LB spot where he will rush the QB.  Tuck sits and Kiwi takes over at DE.

5) The defense as a whole attacks the line of scrimmage!

[LennG]

We make Charlie Whitehurst and Vince Young look like Charlie Connerly and Steve Young

BamaYou are really showing your age here . Charley Connerly---WOW. I might have went with YA, but hey, chucking Charley was great too.

WE can make all the personnel changes we want, as long as we have the same two coordinators calling offense and defense, nothing will change.

All the talk among the players now is, get mean and nasty. fine, but where was all this when the season started. PLUS, talk is fine, until I see it on the field, it's still just talk. We just do not have those mean and nasty guys on our roster.

What can we do to try and save this season:
Use Jacobs more in the passing game, He can catch if the ball is thrown to him and he can gain some yardage. forget him as a RB. Start Scott and Ware.
I want to see more 3 step drops and quick slants over the middle to Scott or Cruz. Plays like that, always seem to gain some yards and have the potential to gain big yards.
Get Nicks involved a lot more in the offense. He is our #1 guy, yet he seems to be sleepwalking thru games. He also makes things happen when he touches the ball.
TRY A TRICK PLAY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. Just to keep the defense aware of it. A flea flicker would do wonders so the defense can't keep teeing off.

On defense, if we see a three man rush called again, the players should call a time out, all go over to Fewell, carry him off the field and bring in Pierce or Armstead to coach the defense.
Tuck is useless out there. I said when he came back,he is a shell of a guy out there, when we can have any of several good pass rushers there. Why give up a JPP, a Kiwi, even a Tolifson, so a weak injured Tuck can play. He ain't LT where he can play hurt and still dominate. Have JPP and Osi as our full time DE, with spells by Kiwi and Tolly. JPP is a complete waste at DT.
If Boley can play fine, or else, give all the rookies a chance to learn on the fly. Hopefully, they will be smart enough to learn from their mistakes, and improve as time goes by. if not, cut our loses and move on.
 Bring in Pierce, Armstead, anyone who has played that position for the Giants and played it well, to coach these guys.
 I think our DBfield is fine, as long as we can generate a decent pass rush. these guys will do fine.

I am sick of hearing about the injury excuse. When we won in 07, we had some guy playing DB in the cowpuke game that was bagging groceries a couple of weeks before. And we won it all. Good teams overcome injuries if their coordinators help them with the right schemes. Our guys reek of complacency.

Get tough and mean, and never let another team push us around.

[bamagiantfan]

Get tough and mean, and never let another team push us around.

In the press conference you could see this was eating up Tom Coughlin. If you can't win the line of scrimmage little else matters. You can't be saved.

[jimv]

GOOD post, Lenny!  But, I think our DEs should be JPP & Kiwi.  Osi on passing downs ONLY.  Just my opinion...

[LennG]

 Excellent point Jim


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[GiantFan67]

I like the vast majority of the suggestions. However, given the mind set of this coaching staff, I doubt that we will see more than a couple of changes, but a couple of changes would be better than none at all.

Lenn and Bama-You forgot Don Heinrich!

[Rambo89]

I like most of what was said above, I just don't think we have the personnel at this point to fix the OL. Diehl is done, he has been abysmal, Baas is getting worked by trying to clean up for Diehl, Mackenzie has just fallen off for some reason, like he has just given up, and something is off with Snee. Its like the OL is just over it, and they just want to get payed and get out of 2011.

Our defense has issues, but they wouldn't be so glaring if they weren't on the field all the fn time thanks to our shoddy OL.  One issue is CB depth which is why we are stuck in zone, and Tuck being a shell of himself has rendered the pass rush pedestrian. The Def has hung in there and done well, but has come up small in critical moments, moments when they should have been on the bench, but our Off cant convert 3rd downs, and Weathoford is being overworked.

Agreed, given injuries and holes on the roster there is not really much that this coaching staff can do IMO.  On offense getting the offensive line in order is tough to do unless you want to make radical changes, which may end up making things worse rather than better.  On defense the Giants don't have the corners to play man to man and their pass rushing DE's for whatever reason are getting beat up at the LOS.  Their LB'ers are awful and it's not like you can move Kiwanuka back to DE at this point with what the rest of the LB'ers are.  They've tried using Rolle as a blitzer (as they did many times last Sunday night) and that hasn't worked as it did a year ago because of the lack of penetration they are getting at the LOS.

The only thing that Coughlin and the coaching staff could do is do everything in their power to motivate this team and hope for the best.  But that is only going to take you so far.

[jerseyguy]

I think if we were able to win the man on man battles at the LOS we would be OK with the O line but we aren't so its past time for us to be inventive with our playcalling and we aren't doing that either. Sending Jacobs into the line against 9 man fronts was beyond belief and we did all night long, at what point does the head coach say enough of this insanity and take over some of the playcalling, TC has to see what we see. I think some 3 step drops and short passes over the middle would get those guys to back off but apparently KG doesn't see it that way and TC has too much respect for him to get involved in some of the playcalling.