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What it will take to win the Division
« on: December 12, 2011, 09:25:37 AM »
I am happy for the win but there will be no easy games for a team with this Defense. I hope they can continue to score 35 points per game because they may need all of them.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs
Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss

Tiebreaking Scenerios (if I have this right);
1. If the Giants win out they are Division Champs (winner based on best record).

2. This week's game is HUGE. If the Giants lose to Washington, they must beat Dallas a second time to win the Division, even if the Cowboys lose to Philly and Tampa because Dallas will have the better division record with a win over the Giants in the the final game. (Dallas would be the winner based on best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division).

3. The Jets game matters because the Cowboys also played them. If the Giants beat Washington and the Jets, and Dallas loses to Philly, the last game won't mean anything for the Division. The Giants will be Division Champs win or lose against Dallas (winner based on best won-lost-tied percentage in common games).

4. In the same scenerio as (3.) above, if Dallas beats Philly and the Giants but loses to Tampa, you start getting into some of the crazier scenerios which cannot be determined until season's end. (strength of victory, strength of schedule, etc.....).

5. If the Giants and Cowboys both lose two games, watch out for the Eagles. They are currently 3-1 in the Division and would likley win any tiebreaker.

Wild Card
The first tiebreaker is record within the Conference. The Giants have the worst conference record of any team remaining with playoff aspirations.

Saints - 6-3
Bears - 6-3
Falcons - 6-4
Lions - 6-5
Cardinals - 6-5
Cowboys - 5-4
Seahawks - 4-4
Eagles - 4-6
Giants - 4-6

The chances of the Giants losing the Division and still making it to the playoffs as a wild card is essentially non-existent. They must win the division.

It is pretty simple. The Playoffs are here. Every game matters in one scenerio or another. If they lose one, they could be out.
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 09:48:22 AM »
This REALLY simple answer.....

The Giants win the next three games and head into the playoffs on a roll.....GO GIANTS!!!
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011, 09:51:07 AM »
Quote from: Rocky56 on December 12, 2011, 09:48:22 AM
This REALLY simple answer.....

The Giants win the next three games and head into the playoffs on a roll.....GO GIANTS!!!

I agree. From now until season's end, the only game that matters is the next one.
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 09:54:03 AM »
Quote from: bamagiantfan on December 12, 2011, 09:25:37 AM

I am happy for the win but there will be no easy games for a team with this Defense. I hope they can continue to score 35 points per game because they may need all of them.


I don't know why Fewell didn't put more extra pressure on the last three QB's the Giants have faced. Last night when he blitzed, it forced Romo into bad passes. Obviously I'm not suggesting to do what the Cowboys and Jets do and send 5-6 every pass play, but just a few more in those third down situations. The Giants will face Dallas and Romo again and he fed off that running attack to a 4 touchdown, 141 passer rating game.

If the Giants win the division, they will have to eventually go to NawLins and to Green Bay and face the best Quarterbacks in the game again. He's putting a heck of a lot of pressure on Eli Manning's shoulders. Thankfully our running game is coming back.

One game at a time.
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2011, 10:06:50 AM »
The two most important games are the Division games.  Beat the Skins and the Cowboys and they have the division.  The Jet game would be gravy but not as important.  Right now the most important thing is next Sunday's game against Washington.
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2011, 11:22:39 AM »
I'll write it even more concisely.  A Wild Card is not coming out of the NFC East.
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2011, 11:28:52 AM »
From BBI the Giants playoff scenarios

NYG at 10-6:
NYG Win out = NYG win division

NYG at 9-7:

NYG beat DAL and WAS (lose to NYJ) = NYG win division

NYG beat DAL and NYJ (lose to WAS) = NYG win division

NYG beat NYJ and WAS (lose to DAL) AND PHIL beats DAL = NYG win division (DAL-TB result irrelevant in this case)

NYG beat NYJ, and WAS (lose to DAL) AND DAL beats PHIL = DAL wins division (DAL-TB result irrelevant in this case). In this case the Giants have a wild card chance. For Giants to get wildcard two of the following must happen
- CHI goes 1-2 or 0-3
- ATL goes 0-3
- DET goes 0-3

NYG at 8-8:

If PHIL does not win out:
NYG beat only DAL AND DAL loses to PHIL or TB = NYG wins division

NYG beat only WAS = DAL wins division

NYG beat only NYJ = DAL wins division

If PHIL wins out, PHI takes all tiebreaks at 8-8.

Wild card is not possible at 8-8.

NOTE: The DAL-TB result seems to be only relevant if the Giants finish 8-8 or worse.
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2011, 11:29:20 AM »
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 12, 2011, 11:28:52 AM
From BBI the Giants playoff scenarios

NYG at 10-6:
NYG Win out = NYG win division

NYG at 9-7:

NYG beat DAL and WAS (lose to NYJ) = NYG win division

NYG beat DAL and NYJ (lose to WAS) = NYG win division

NYG beat NYJ and WAS (lose to DAL) AND PHIL beats DAL = NYG win division (DAL-TB result irrelevant in this case)

NYG beat NYJ, and WAS (lose to DAL) AND DAL beats PHIL = DAL wins division (DAL-TB result irrelevant in this case). In this case the Giants have a wild card chance. For Giants to get wildcard two of the following must happen
- CHI goes 1-2 or 0-3
- ATL goes 0-3
- DET goes 0-3

NYG at 8-8:

If PHIL does not win out:
NYG beat only DAL AND DAL loses to PHIL or TB = NYG wins division

NYG beat only WAS = DAL wins division

NYG beat only NYJ = DAL wins division

If PHIL wins out, PHI takes all tiebreaks at 8-8.

Wild card is not possible at 8-8.

NOTE: The DAL-TB result seems to be only relevant if the Giants finish 8-8 or worse.


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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2011, 11:43:29 AM »
Rich

That makes my brain hurt. . .

just win three and get in cleanly. . Please!!!!
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 11:49:12 AM »
Wrecking the Jets season would be nice though. 
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2011, 01:06:09 PM »
Quote from: NYSPORTS on December 12, 2011, 11:49:12 AM
Wrecking the Jets season would be nice though. 

Just to shut down the BS and the talking.
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2011, 01:13:40 PM »
Quote from: Jim143 on December 12, 2011, 11:43:29 AM
Rich

That makes my brain hurt. . .

just win three and get in cleanly. . Please!!!!

+1 What Jim said
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2011, 01:14:34 PM »
Seems like we need to do two things, win the next three games, and fix our back end defense.

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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2011, 05:15:16 PM »
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Seems like we need to do two things

MP21WAYS2PAY - think bigger. . .

the two things we need to do:

1 = Win the next three games

2 = win the four games after those three. . .    :ok:
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Re: What it will take to win the Division
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2011, 05:20:26 PM »
Right you are!

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