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Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« on: January 29, 2012, 01:53:50 PM »
How big will Gronkowski's health loom over SBXLVI? Very big. Even bigger than the Gronkowski legend itself. With an absent or even hobbled Gronkkowski, Fewell can single up on the TE, allowing him to send an extra man in coverage or even an extra pass rusher to rattle Brady.

The unofficial report is that Gronkowski is suffering from a high ankle sprain, which is damage to the ligament that joins tibia and fibula near the foot. This type of injury typically requires at least 4 weeks to recover from -- even if Gronkowski is a physical freak and gets on the playing field for SBXLVI, his ability to run, block, and cut will be compromised, limiting him to a decoy or even a non-factor.

How do we know it's a high ankle sprain? Well, for starters, that's exactly what the injury looked like when Bernard Pollard tackled him in the AFCCG. It had the classic hallmarks -- the foot was wrenched outward instead of inward, and the violence and extreme angle at which it was bent suggest that he was lucky to not have broken his fibula, which is a very common ancillary injury in these cases. And Gronkowski's father confirmed the injury on a radio show earlier this week.

If you go to the Patriots board, the clear majority of the posters believe that Gronkowski will be playing at or near full strength next Sunday. There are claims that Gronkowski at 70% is still the best TE in football. But they fail to understand that he won't even be close to 70%. What makes Gronkowski one of the most feared TE's in the NFL is his ability to get open and his power to get yards after contact. But all of this comes from leg strength, which is what he will be lacking even with another 7 days rest.

Besides, they say, he got taped up and went back in. And he was seen partying his ass off that night in whatever passes as a night club in Boston. People can keep playing sometimes right after the initial trauma because of the adrenaline and the lack of immediate swelling. But it takes 24-48 hours before the inflammation sets in. Donovan McNabb once played an entire game against the Cardinals on a broken ankle, but he missed almost the entire season after the injury afterwards. And note that Donovan played well and passed for over 300 yards -- Gronkowski was a mere decoy when he got back in and made zero catches.

Then there's the school of thought that thinks Gronkowski's dad planted the story about the high ankle sprain, Gronkowski is actually fine, and this is some sort of long con set up by Belichick to take the Giants unawares. Except why would you want to hurt your team by holding your star player out of practice simply to bolster some ruse? There's no doubt about it, Gronkowski is hurt, and if it weren't the Superbowl, he would be held out for at least a month. The only Belichickian ruse here is to list Gronkowski as Questionable instead if Doubtful.

And no, I am not a medical expert. But here's a guy who is:

Doctor on Gronkowski's injury

Oh, and if you listen to Pats fans, this man is a quack. Because apparently, there is no more higher authority for medical evaluations than wishful thinking.

Gronkowski is a big, tough dude and talented receiver, but in the end, he's not Bill Bratzke or Wolverine. He may gut it out and step on to Lucas Oil Field next week, but to think he will have any real impact in this game is simply fantasy.  Robbed of his speed, strength, and agility, Gronkowski will see more plays on the sideline than on the field.

And thus Bernard Pollard torpedoes yet another Patriots season.
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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2012, 02:25:49 PM »
If history teaches us anything, it teaches us that it would be wise to treat all news coming out of any organisation employing Belichick with a huge pinch of salt.  But if true, Gronkowski's absence will be a HUGE blow for the Pats who may be forced to use him as little more than a decoy.
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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 02:41:14 PM »
If history teaches us anything, it teaches us that it would be wise to treat all news coming out of any organisation employing Belichick with a huge pinch of salt. 

You got that right.
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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 02:54:29 PM »
It is hugely important and does affect the strategy for the game.  We won't know more until we get further practice reports.  If he practices this week, then the Pats fans wishful thinking will be rewarded.

As for going back in after the injury, I hear that entirely.  I crashed mountain biking, 3 weeks ago, and still pedaled off the mountain and 4 miles home.  But couldn't bend my knee the next day.  My chiropractic friend told me that the bursa (sp?) sacs around the knee get the trauma message and cause swelling.  The swelling makes you limit your mobility and thus reduces chances of further injury.

I think the issue is that he may not have the ability to move well even with painkillers.  Then it's not a matter of "will he" but "can he".

Who are the top 4 leaders in the NFL in yards after contact?  Gronkowski, Welker, Cruz, Hernandez.  Let's hope the Giants concentrate on making sure tackles on Sunday.
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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 03:45:00 PM »
I saw the ankle sprain in the highlights yesterday.  The injury looked pretty ugly and I was shocked that he returned.  Of course letting him return most likely just caused more damage.
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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2012, 05:03:50 PM »
Even if he is limited you have Brady, Welker, Hernandez, Branch, Ocho(remember him, he just has to play well for one game), they have run the ball decently and their backs can catch. Super Bowls have also been filled with "Max McGee" stories. ANYONE can make a difference.

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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2012, 05:15:05 PM »
The Giants will prepare for him as though he were 100%.

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2012, 07:34:38 PM »
That they will, Tonk. It would be negligent to not do so.  While I would expect their game plan to be flexible in response to what they see from Gronkowski once the game starts, I think they can be sure of one thing, whoever the Pats have out there, they will have they hands full.

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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 06:15:54 AM »
Even if he is limited you have Brady, Welker, Hernandez, Branch, Ocho(remember him, he just has to play well for one game), they have run the ball decently and their backs can catch. Super Bowls have also been filled with "Max McGee" stories. ANYONE can make a difference.

I'd be more concerned with Branch and the law firm than Ocho finally remembering he actually PLAYS for the pats instead of being a beat reporter for them.  Irregardless, our front four is susceptible to draws to BenJarvisGreenEllis and Hernandez is plenty of TE for any defense to worry about.  I hope Gronk has a nice seat to watch the game from.

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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 06:29:28 AM »
Even if he is limited you have Brady, Welker, Hernandez, Branch, Ocho(remember him, he just has to play well for one game), they have run the ball decently and their backs can catch. Super Bowls have also been filled with "Max McGee" stories. ANYONE can make a difference.

I'd be more concerned with Branch and the law firm than Ocho finally remembering he actually PLAYS for the pats instead of being a beat reporter for them.  Irregardless, our front four is susceptible to draws to BenJarvisGreenEllis and Hernandez is plenty of TE for any defense to worry about.  I hope Gronk has a nice seat to watch the game from.

It would not surprise me to see Woodhead tear off a big run or two either.  He's very dangerous when teams forget about him.  I hope the Giants don't!   He can be tough in short yardage too for a small back.

Agree about Branch.  He has been known to get hot, especially in big games.  Brady loves him.

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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 08:27:32 AM »
I think it is ironic that he is hurt and New England is acting like it is no big deal, yet Jaquin Williams, who would likely draw coverage on Gronkowski (he covered Witten and Finley), has been in a boot all week and we act like it is no big deal.   :-??
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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2012, 08:39:47 AM »
I think it is ironic that he is hurt and New England is acting like it is no big deal, yet Jaquin Williams, who would likely draw coverage on Gronkowski (he covered Witten and Finley), has been in a boot all week and we act like it is no big deal.   :-??

Gronk is still in a walking boot.  If  J Williams is still in a boot this week then it's time for Giants fans to start worrying
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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2012, 08:52:44 AM »
From all reports, Williams does not have a high ankle sprain.  And while Williams is a big contributor on the defense & ST, it would take losing Osi or Phillips to equate losing Gronkowski on the offense.  That's the real difference between the two.

And speaking of fooling themselves, some Pats fan claimed that she saw Gronkowski walking without a limp and no walking boot.  That was not the case.  Another person calimed that Gronkowski was practically running to the plane.  That was also not factual.
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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2012, 08:07:40 PM »
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And speaking of fooling themselves, some Pats fan claimed that she saw Gronkowski walking without a limp and no walking boot.  That was not the case.  Another person calimed that Gronkowski was practically running to the plane.  That was also not factual.

Gronk was wearing a boot coming off the plane, but I did not detect a noticeable limp.  Also, I too worry about the "sleepers" the Pats have in Woodhead, Branch, and Chad Johnson.  I trust Coach Coughlin has not forgotten them.

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Re: Patriot Fans fooling themselves about Gronkowski
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2012, 10:38:39 PM »
Gronk is probably conked. Let's face it: they will shoot him up, but the foot needs surgery and he won't be himself at all. That hurts big time and a huge break for the Giants, of course (no pun intended). Sure, the Pats are still formidable, but he is their pivot point on offense and he can't pivot. Maybe he straight-lines some and shows amazing toughness, but he won't dominate this game like the first match-up. That's huge. Can he max protect, too? They are in trouble. Welker didn't beat the Giants the first time. Ocho or Branch won't either. Hernandez is a weapon, but how effective if Gronk is zonked?