2012 New York Giant Free Agents and other money FYI stuff

[Zombo]

I think Canty stays with a revised deal....

TT back is fine by me if knee is ok...

SW fine too....

heard Davis will be franchised by Skins so another TE off market....don't see NYG spending big $ there but
expect 2 new faces....Shiancoe part 2?

I still think Oline will be first pick unless another Prince-type slide....

[Stinged18]

I would however, respectfully chose to to disagree with your Draft Priority order; me - FS/SS, OG, RB, DT, TE, WR, LB.

Draft Priorities, my top in order are TE, DT, OT, OG, S, WR, RB


As of right now the only TE we will have on the roster next year that will be cleared to play by the time the season starts will be Pascoe. Which pretty much means we have no one there. I think he is a better FB than TE.

DT was second because we asboslutely have no depth behind the starters if Canty is released.

OT/OG, I went with OT first because of the lack of depht only beatty, diehl and brewer as suppose to guard which has Snee, booth, petrus and diehl can play guard as well. Which give them a little more wiggle room at guard and beatty and diehl at the tackles might not work out. Snee and Booth will hold down those spots.

Next is safety, with huge money on Rolle and a first invested in Phillips I cant go any higher for draft priority especailly when Martin and Sash played well with limited time. I know they use that third safety a lot which is why I even have this high on the list but if you look at them resigning thomas, and ross, I think one of those guys will take that role over.


WR is next on my list because what if they cant sign Cruz next season, you have to atleast have some more options. Plus with Hixon coming back after two season ending injuries in a row who knows if he still has the same speed he did before. Plus Barden and Jernigan are question marks because we dont know what we have in them.

RB was last because we have Bradshaw who will play even if he is injured, then ware, scott (who I think will do great when given an opportunity) and brown can back him up. The giants seem to find a lot of late round RBs that arent too bad, just look at bradshaw, he was a 7th round pick.

I disagree with them drafting a LB in less the sign free agents at other spots. They are really deep at LB, if osi leaves and they move kiwi back then yes LB becomes a priorty but you still have options.

I cant predict who they will sign or let go but based on the depth chart I created, the draft priorities I mentioned above cannot be denied. I know they usually go with BPA which is fine because I know they wont draft a TE if they have a DT, OT rated higher, but pretty much we should come out of the draft with a player from each of those positions.

[TXGiant]

In my opinion, Canty was the second most consistent DL this season behind JPP. HE has earned his money and will be difficult to restructure based on the large dollar amounts he is scheduled to make in future seasons.

[todge]

I would however, respectfully chose to to disagree with your Draft Priority order; me - FS/SS, OG, RB, DT, TE, WR, LB.

Draft Priorities, my top in order are TE, DT, OT, OG, S, WR, RB


As of right now the only TE we will have on the roster next year that will be cleared to play by the time the season starts will be Pascoe. Which pretty much means we have no one there. I think he is a better FB than TE.

DT was second because we asboslutely have no depth behind the starters if Canty is released.

OT/OG, I went with OT first because of the lack of depht only beatty, diehl and brewer as suppose to guard which has Snee, booth, petrus and diehl can play guard as well. Which give them a little more wiggle room at guard and beatty and diehl at the tackles might not work out. Snee and Booth will hold down those spots.

Next is safety, with huge money on Rolle and a first invested in Phillips I cant go any higher for draft priority especailly when Martin and Sash played well with limited time. I know they use that third safety a lot which is why I even have this high on the list but if you look at them resigning thomas, and ross, I think one of those guys will take that role over.


WR is next on my list because what if they cant sign Cruz next season, you have to atleast have some more options. Plus with Hixon coming back after two season ending injuries in a row who knows if he still has the same speed he did before. Plus Barden and Jernigan are question marks because we dont know what we have in them.

RB was last because we have Bradshaw who will play even if he is injured, then ware, scott (who I think will do great when given an opportunity) and brown can back him up. The giants seem to find a lot of late round RBs that arent too bad, just look at bradshaw, he was a 7th round pick.

I disagree with them drafting a LB in less the sign free agents at other spots. They are really deep at LB, if osi leaves and they move kiwi back then yes LB becomes a priorty but you still have options.

I cant predict who they will sign or let go but based on the depth chart I created, the draft priorities I mentioned above cannot be denied. I know they usually go with BPA which is fine because I know they wont draft a TE if they have a DT, OT rated higher, but pretty much we should come out of the draft with a player from each of those positions.

The Giants will have Canty (who is not going to be released under any circumstances), Austin, Joseph and perhaps Bernard again at the DT.  A team can only invest so much money and so many Draft picks into one position - so I don't see any DLs or DTs added to this roster.

I think RB will be high on the "position of needs" list.  Bradshaw has a chronic foot condition, Jacobs is on the downside of his career and Ware is only so-so.  Regardless who you bring in here at RB - it is not going to make much of a difference with that offensive line.  Let's not forget - the Giants were dead LAST in rushing offense with Diehl and McKenzie being the primary culprits.   I just can't see the Giants, under any circumstances, standing pat on the OL and hoping that they get better next year.

I think KP may be a suprise cut, especially if the Giants can get a S in Free Agency.  He is in the lower echelon of safeties in this league and has never lived up to his lofty Draft status or hype.

The Giants may be deep at LB - but that depth is quite mediocre. Depth doesn't necessarily translate into quality.  The only fixture is Boley at the Will.  Where does Williams fit in?  Jones has to be a huge disappointment - what does it say when a guy twice your age who was a math teacher comes in and takes your job?  I think Jones might have a hard time making this team next year.  Will Herzlich ever regain his former athleticism with a rod in hid leg?  Kiwi is a misplaced Sam who is really a DE.  What of Goff's status?  Far too many question marks for the Giants to "stand pat".

[Stinged18]

The Giants will have Canty (who is not going to be released under any circumstances), Austin, Joseph and perhaps Bernard again at the DT.  A team can only invest so much money and so many Draft picks into one position - so I don't see any DLs or DTs added to this roster.

I think RB will be high on the "position of needs" list.  Bradshaw has a chronic foot condition, Jacobs is on the downside of his career and Ware is only so-so.  Regardless who you bring in here at RB - it is not going to make much of a difference with that offensive line.  Let's not forget - the Giants were dead LAST in rushing offense with Diehl and McKenzie being the primary culprits.   I just can't see the Giants, under any circumstances, standing pat on the OL and hoping that they get better next year.

I think KP may be a suprise cut, especially if the Giants can get a S in Free Agency.  He is in the lower echelon of safeties in this league and has never lived up to his lofty Draft status or hype.

The Giants may be deep at LB - but that depth is quite mediocre. Depth doesn't necessarily translate into quality.  The only fixture is Boley at the Will.  Where does Williams fit in?  Jones has to be a huge disappointment - what does it say when a guy twice your age who was a math teacher comes in and takes your job?  I think Jones might have a hard time making this team next year.  Will Herzlich ever regain his former athleticism with a rod in hid leg?  Kiwi is a misplaced Sam who is really a DE.  What of Goff's status?  Far too many question marks for the Giants to "stand pat".
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I believe Canty would be cut before phillips.  You said it yourself that it doesnt matter what RB they bring in because they need OL help which is why OT and OG are higher up on my list than RB. About DT I am not saying use a first round pick just they need to draft someone at some point to play behind the starters.

[todge]

Why would the Giants cut their best Defensive Tackle in Canty?  It just doesn't make any sense.  The whole idea is to keep a strong unit intact and make your weaker units stronger.  For years now, Reese himself has been saying that the "back end of the defense" has been a problem area.  I think it has been fairly evident that KP has never been the same player since his surgery - both athletically and cerebrally.

[BlueMoshik]

Canty is a major investment for the team and has become a team leader. There is no way he leaves.

[Rambo89]

The Giants can't afford to cut Canty.  I know people are high on Marvin "I haven't play an organized game of football in almost 3 years" Austin but until proven otherwise he is an unknown.  The Giants can't afford to have the most important part of their defense in their system have question marks on it.

[bamagiantfan]

After games against Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco, and New England that were nothing short of outstanding, I can't belive anyone would want to see Aaron Ross go. He was better for that 4 game stretch than Terrell Thomas was in any 4 games in his short career. No slighting of Thomas there, but Ross made himself a lot of money in the playoffs. Aside from adding a couple of interceptions, you can't play the position much better than that. For the first time, he looked like he was worth that #1 pick the Giants spent on him.

Terrell Thomas is potentially the Steve Smith of 2012. Signing Ross is the priority, and the doctors look at TT before the Giants make him an offer. I just don't know if they can sign Ross now.

[bigblueinclearbluenc]

Diehl 2012: $3.825 million, 2013: $4.1 million, 2014: Free Agent - I say keep. Worth it and can play multiple positions.
Snee   2012: $5.2 million, 2013: $6.2 million, 2014: $6.7 million (Voidable Year), 2015: Free Agent - Restructure and extend
Baas 2012: $3 million, 2013: $4.25 million, 2014: $4.75 million, 2015: $5 million, 2016: Free Agent
Jacobs  2012: $4.4 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due in March), 2013: Free Agent - Massive cut in salary and maybe extra year or cut
Bradshaw 2012: $3 million, 2013: $3.75 million, 2014: $4 million, 2015: Free Agent
KiWi 2012: $4 million (+ $250,000 workout bonus + $300,000 roster bonus), 2013: Free Agent - He will get a new deal, 4 years or more. Don't know if for DE or LB
Tuck 2012: $3.2 million, 2013: $4 million, 2014: Free Agent
Osi  2012: $3.975 million, 2013: Free Agent - I think they will offer a 2 year ext with good bonus or trade him if he doesn't take it
Canty 2012: $6 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $6.5 million, 2015: Free Agent - I like him but not at 6mil. He won't take that much lower so i see him gone.
Webster 2012: $6.5 million, 2013: $7 million, 2014: Free Agent - I see them ext him with a bonus to lower the cap hit

I think they will resign TT & Goff. I hope they keep Ross but he might take the $$ and run. I hope they resign Chase. I don't see Manningham back as he will take the $$ and run but I really believe we can resign Steve Smith. Maybe Eli will restructure to give room and now they can extend him for years.

[Rambo89]

After games against Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco, and New England that were nothing short of outstanding, I can't belive anyone would want to see Aaron Ross go. He was better for that 4 game stretch than Terrell Thomas was in any 4 games in his short career. No slighting of Thomas there, but Ross made himself a lot of money in the playoffs. Aside from adding a couple of interceptions, you can't play the position much better than that. For the first time, he looked like he was worth that #1 pick the Giants spent on him.

Terrell Thomas is potentially the Steve Smith of 2012. Signing Ross is the priority, and the doctors look at TT before the Giants make him an offer. I just don't know if they can sign Ross now.

Completely disagree on Ross.  In coverage he is mediocre as the opposition routinely goes after him.  Thomas when healthy is significantly better than him.

[gregf]

Thomas and Goff are huge question marks. TT was one of our best defenders and Goff was becoming a solid starter. I'm hopeful both recover to their former status, but we won't know for sure till preseason. It will be interesting to see if Reese counts on them to start or drafts to replace them. Needing 3 good corners, we have Webster and Prince to start. Thomas's physical should have a significant impact on pursuing Ross or not.
Ballards injury leaves us another hole as well.
I'm curious if Brewer is seen as starting or back up material. With the chanhing of the guard on the oline, does he play a prominent role, or do we look to another draft pick?

[bamagiantfan]

After games against Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco, and New England that were nothing short of outstanding, I can't belive anyone would want to see Aaron Ross go. He was better for that 4 game stretch than Terrell Thomas was in any 4 games in his short career. No slighting of Thomas there, but Ross made himself a lot of money in the playoffs. Aside from adding a couple of interceptions, you can't play the position much better than that. For the first time, he looked like he was worth that #1 pick the Giants spent on him.

Terrell Thomas is potentially the Steve Smith of 2012. Signing Ross is the priority, and the doctors look at TT before the Giants make him an offer. I just don't know if they can sign Ross now.

Completely disagree on Ross.  In coverage he is mediocre as the opposition routinely goes after him.  Thomas when healthy is significantly better than him.

Eight weeks ago, I would have agreed with you.