re: Giants Now Building A Potential SB Dynasty

[Philosophers]

I saw some line that had the Giants ranked about 8th in lowest odds to win another SB next season (15:1) and it got me thinking about it.

I think the Giants have all the ingredients to continue a run for another SB or two.

a) An elite QB in the prime of his career;

b) Great balance between Offense, Defense and Special Teams (returns aside), especially with resurgence of Defense and particularly the Secondary;

c) Good relative youth across the entire team;  Doesn't look to me like there could be a loss of several older players that would hurt the team;

d) Developing talent - Emergence of guys like JPP, Linval Joseph, Victor Cruz, etc. bring new guys into key roles.

e) No clear, huge weaknesses anywhere.  I don't see a gaping hole at any one position.  While the LBs may be average at best, the developing Secondary may reduce the role of the LBs by playing Rolle more as a hybrid against pass heavy offenses.

f) No loss or turnover among coaching staff - I am not aware that the Giants will lose any coaches either to retirement or to other teams/colleges.  Got to like the continuity that will bring.

Feeling pretty good about the future

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[Sect122Mike]

I saw some line that had the Giants ranked about 8th in lowest odds to win another SB next season (15:1) and it got me thinking about it.

I think the Giants have all the ingredients to continue a run for another SB or two.

a) An elite QB in the prime of his career;

b) Great balance between Offense, Defense and Special Teams (returns aside), especially with resurgence of Defense and particularly the Secondary;

c) Good relative youth across the entire team;  Doesn't look to me like there could be a loss of several older players that would hurt the team;

d) Developing talent - Emergence of guys like JPP, Linval Joseph, Victor Cruz, etc. bring new guys into key roles.

e) No clear, huge weaknesses anywhere.  I don't see a gaping hole at any one position.  While the LBs may be average at best, the developing Secondary may reduce the role of the LBs by playing Rolle more as a hybrid against pass heavy offenses.

f) No loss or turnover among coaching staff - I am not aware that the Giants will lose any coaches either to retirement or to other teams/colleges.  Got to like the continuity that will bring.

Feeling pretty good about the future

Odds have nothing whatsoever to do with likely winners, they are about likely bettors.  All this means is that Vegas had to give the Giants better odds to get people to bet on them.  Don't take odds as any kind of actual ranking. 

That said, I think you are right that they have the base for a solid team, but they have a LOT of work to do in the off-season.  I don;t think they are the best team in the league.  they are a team that can compete with anyone, but unless they play mistake free, they are in trouble against the better teams. This run was about everyone playing as great as they could. 

I think they have a lot of work to do on special teams.  Coverage is terrible.  We get burned a lot on returns.  Our return game needs to improve.  Weatherford is solid and Tynes had another strong year, but his leg looks like its getting weaker, and it was not strong to start with. 

On the defense, if Thomas comes back and Akumora develops as he looks, we have three solid CBs.  Safety needs help.  LB is still a mess, but the line looks solid. 

On the offense, we may need to bring in another TE. I love the giant kid from NC State. He is like 6'6" and 265 with solid hands and he can lay out most LBs and DEs.  We need help on the line.  We were getting pushed around.  I would like a better G and a better ROT, but if McK will come back for one more year, he might be able to hold up again. 

I'm no where near dynasty, but I like the base to build on. We don't appear to have big cap issues this year, so I think JR will be active. 

[UniHamachi]

I think a lot of people are thinking this is a 9-7 team that got hot.  But I'm thinking this is a Superbowl winning team that dominated in the post season that somehow lost 7 games including 4 straight.

If we're the former, the line is probably right.  But if it's the latter, then the league is in for a big surprise.

Remember that the Giants shot out of the gate the year after SB 42 and crashed after Plax shot himself (but were still good enough to win the division).  I don't remember the odds, but I'm pretty sure the Giants were not a favorite to repeat.  Had it not been for Plax's error, they just might well have repeated.

[babywhales]

Intersting thought on the LBers.  Despite how this year turned out, the postion was still a liablity for much of the season. IMO there still needs to be a more consistant infusion of talent and/or youth at the position.

The O line is probally the biggest need.  The O line has Brewer or Diehl as the possible RT in 2012.   Has Diehl, Beatty and Brewer as the possible LT. Has Diehl, Boothe or Baas as possible LGuards. Does Baas stay at Center or move to LG?  Snee appears to be the only player locked in at RG with Petrus locked in behind him.  This group has alot of pieces than can be put together in a number of ways.  But regardless of how you put it together atleast one whole is still present. Depending on how this gets pieced together in this offseason will determine the specific need. 

 Jacobs March roster bonus will determine the need as it relates to this unit.   This may very quickly be a another need.


TE is a need.
Success and consistant success is a function of coaches keeping the team buying into a team message and the team playing good ball entering the playoffs.  If the players and the coaches do not have that dynamic than who knows????? 

2 Titles in 5 years is awfully impressive.  Another in the future is a feat on par with the Steelers in the 70's, the Niners in the 80's, the Cowboys in the 90's and the Pats in the early 2000's as such I would agree in the Dynasty conversation.

Although not probable, it is possible, and that is what defined the last two title runs. 

I look forward to watching whatever unfolds.

[Philosophers]

I think hot is a good word but so is inconsistent.  We should not have lost to the Skins.  If this team truly becomes more consistent, there's no reason they can't go deep in the playoffs.

The one team that truly scares the $hit out of me are the Saints indoors.  We have yet to show that we can play with them indoors.

[todge]

The Giants were at 8 to 1 odds to win the Super Bowl ... not eighth.  Anyway - when was the last time a Super Bowl winner repeated? 

I love the Giants ... but asking them to win back-to-backs is a little much ... isn't it?

[joeynygiants]

it will hard to repeat but this team average age is only 27.

[BlueMoshik]

I don't think it will be easy to repeat. But I do think Eli will get even better.

[Painter]

The only  reason a Giants fan might talk about a repeat is that they are the only team which can. Other than that, it's a hard sell.  We can't reliably predict the outcome of a game much less a season. We certainly can't base a prediction on our assessment of the team's talent alone. Nor can we extrapolate recent performance to future results. If we could, we'd have seen more repeats than we have. Even the Packers, who won 19 straight while beating the Giants twice on their way to a 15-1 season couldn't win the one they had to in order to 'peat.

The influences of chance and player mindset make it very difficult to duplicate the result in back to back years. And that doesn't even account for the fact there were some very talented teams in the NFC alone last season which were but a play or two from sending our heroes home early. Do we assume that they will have improved less than the Giants next season? 

What I think of when I see or hear the word repeat is the old caution that if we don't learn from history, we are bound to repeat it. Did we learn anything the 2008 season which followed the win in Supe42? Not to mention the even worse 2009. I wont even comment on the D word.

Let's enjoy the so unpredictable happy surprise we have just gotten. Let's not make a rod for our backs.

Cheers! 

By the way Joey, the Giants are among the older teams in the NFL. That's largely because of their average age on offense. There are only two teams which have offenses that are older. The Defense was 18th oldest and combined the team was 7th oldest.     

[bigblueinclearbluenc]

I think the only thing we can really see is a competitive team that will be battling for a playoff spot at the end of the year. I really can't see a 6-10 team or worse. What 2007 and 2011 has proven is all you need is to get hot (and healthy) at the end of the year no matter how you start or play in the middle.
We've been fortunate as fans to have a team that is playing for something in the last week or 2 almost every year since Eli got here.

[T200]

The Giants were at 8 to 1 odds to win the Super Bowl ... not eighth.  Anyway - when was the last time a Super Bowl winner repeated? 

I love the Giants ... but asking them to win back-to-backs is a little much ... isn't it?

It's been 7 or 8 years since a SB winner even won a playoff game, let alone repeat. Maybe the Giants can start bucking that trend next season.


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[Philosophers]

Big difference between predicting another SB and saying we have the ingredients for another.  I didn't say the former.

By the way, I always like when other posters tell other posters that they shouldn't make predictions or judgments yet everything about a fan board is just that -- predictions and judgments.  If folks want to do that, let them have their say.  The irony is that the folks who say don't do that end up doing it on another topic from another posting.

[BlueMoshik]

I don't know about Super Bowl winners, but we do know that the Super Bowl loser usually has a crappy season to follow. Losing a Super Bowl seems to have a really negative effect on teams. So I don't expect the Pats to come anywhere near the SB next season.

[T200]

2001 - Ravens - (1-1) beat Miami in WC round, lost to Pitt in Divisional round
2002 - Patriots - Missed playoffs
2003 - Bucs - Missed playoffs
2004 - Patriots - won SB
2005 - Patriots - (0-1) lost to Broncos in Divisional round
2006 - Steelers - Missed playoffs
2007 - Colts - (0-1) lost to Chargers in Divisional round
2008 - Giants - (0-1) lost to Eagles in Divisional round
2009 - Steelers - Missed playoffs
2010 - Saints - (0-1) - lost to Seahawks in WC round
2011 - Packers - (0-1) lost to Giants in Divisional round
2012 - Giants - ???

[jimmyz]

We thought we had a dynasty at the end of 2007.  We were wrong. 

I dont necessarily know that we've got a dynasty on our hands but we just won a SB with some glaring issues.

LB and the complete lack of running game are still areas to improve and could make us that much better if these issues are resolved going into the season.  That could give us something new to beat other teams with.  I'd really prefer not to have to go into next season with no running game again.