Jernigan

[jerseyguy]

the team could cut JJ because his replacement is on the PS in David Douglas who seemed to do very well in pre season, he returns kicks and catches the ball and has the speed...

[todge]

This team is not cutting JJ plain and simple.

Thank God the Giants are willing to show patience with their Draft picks.  The fan base wants to run everyone out of town if they don't produce immediately and instantly.  The NFL doesn't work that way because smart teams like the Giants understand that some players progress faster than others.

I remember a Board that wanted to run Eli out of town the first few years.  Thank God the Giants had patience with him as they will with Jernigan.

[LennG]

Todge

  I remember people unhappy with Eli and his performance over his first couple of years, but I never remember reading about wanting him cut, or even 'run out of town'. Very rarely do first round picks get cut in their first few years, let alone a #1 overall pick.

 Jerigan is a #3 pick and probably a reach at that.

People are comparing the Cruz situation to Jerigen. It's apples and oranges. Cruz showed in a pre season game, when he was a rookie, that he had potential. That alone showed the coaches that there was something there to hold onto. Jerigan has shown NOTHING, in pre season, in any games he has managed to get into. He was touted as a punt returner, yet he can't do that very well.

 I would love nothing more than for JJ to become an all pro when he gets a chance, but when is that chance going to be. Even a rookie starts over him when he has been here two years, knows the offense, yet still cannot break the line up. I don't care what position he plays, who he is playing behind, if the coaching staff thought he could bring something to the game, they would find a way to get him some touches.

When he was drafted he was labeled S Moss II, and he has lived up to that billing.

[rob_mtl]

 Jernigan is a 2nd year player buried behind Nicks, Cruz, Hixon...etc

Why is this even a concern I don't understand.

[giantsguy]

Jernigan is a 2nd year player buried behind Nicks, Cruz, Hixon...etc

Why is this even a concern I don't understand.

rob, for me it's not so much a matter of concern over JJ's recever spot, but here is a guy in his second year that isn't even contributing on special teams.  We're not talking about a 6th or 7th round draft choice here.  I would guess at least Douglas would be able to return punts or kickoffs at least.

[jerseyguy]

I think the main concern here is that at some point someone is going to have to get cut for a returning player, the reason that Jernigans name comes up is his complete lack of production at anything. We all remember too well the names of players like Clint Sintim and Sinorice Moss as well as guys like Ron Dayne, all players that the team held onto far too long waiting for them to show us something, not to even  mention William Joseph.

[Rambo89]

This team is not cutting JJ plain and simple.

Thank God the Giants are willing to show patience with their Draft picks.  The fan base wants to run everyone out of town if they don't produce immediately and instantly.  The NFL doesn't work that way because smart teams like the Giants understand that some players progress faster than others.

I remember a Board that wanted to run Eli out of town the first few years.  Thank God the Giants had patience with him as they will with Jernigan.

Coaching staff plays a big part of that patience.  They don't rush young players into the lineup like some fans want them too.

[Chris]

I would guess at least Douglas would be able to return punts or kickoffs at least.

Could he return punts and kickoffs better than Randle and Wilson? I doubt it.

don't understand a 2 page debate over our 5th receiver, especially when 1-4 have all have excellent games so far this season.  I don't know what to really think of JJ at this point, but as a 5th receiver I feel pretty good. 

Well said, Jimmycal99.

[giantsguy]

I would guess at least Douglas would be able to return punts or kickoffs at least.

Could he return punts and kickoffs better than Randle and Wilson? I doubt it.

Chris, I think my point was if you're going to use a roster spot why not use one on a guy who can at least contribure somewhere.  IMO, I'd rather have Douglas returning kickoffs or punts versus JJ standing on the sideline doing nothing.  As for Randle and Wilson returning either, I'd rather have someone on the gameday roster that would take their place.  With us being short at WR and RB, both those guys could be needed elsewhere.

[CAGiantFan]

No matter what the depth chart says I think if Cruz got hurt, then in 3 receiver sets Hixon would play the slot before Jernigan, and Barden and/or Randle would play the #2 outside position.

Yes guys have to prove themselves in the game, but to get in the game they have to prove themselves in practice. 

[Chris]

Chris, I think my point was if you're going to use a roster spot why not use one on a guy who can at least contribure somewhere.  IMO, I'd rather have Douglas returning kickoffs or punts versus JJ standing on the sideline doing nothing. 

IMO, George, the goal isn't to have all 53 guys on the roster all make it on the field. Actually, it's impossible to have all 53 guys make it on the field - someone has to be inactive. I don't mind healthy scratches - I actually prefer them, over the alternative.

The goal is to put the best guys on the field. Would it be great if the 5th WR or 6th CB was our best option at PR/KR? Maybe. It would complicate who dresses on gameday but it would be a good problem to have. That's not the case here. If Douglas presented an upgrade over JJ he'd be on the roster. I honestly believe that. If he presented an upgrade at KR/PR, he'd have the job.

We finally have two guys at returner that are actually pretty good. Why mess with it?

[giantsguy]

Chris, I think my point was if you're going to use a roster spot why not use one on a guy who can at least contribure somewhere.  IMO, I'd rather have Douglas returning kickoffs or punts versus JJ standing on the sideline doing nothing. 

IMO, George, the goal isn't to have all 53 guys on the roster all make it on the field. Actually, it's impossible to have all 53 guys make it on the field - someone has to be inactive. I don't mind healthy scratches - I actually prefer them, over the alternative.

The goal is to put the best guys on the field. Would it be great if the 5th WR or 6th CB was our best option at PR/KR? Maybe. It would complicate who dresses on gameday but it would be a good problem to have. That's not the case here. If Douglas presented an upgrade over JJ he'd be on the roster. I honestly believe that. If he presented an upgrade at KR/PR, he'd have the job.

We finally have two guys at returner that are actually pretty good. Why mess with it?

All valid and logical points Chris, no argument there.  The only two things I would throw out to you is at least in preseason, Douglas seemed to do very well in that department and Jernigan virtually did nothing.  I think JJ gets some extra considerations or extra time to develop simply because of his draft status versus Douglas so he stays and Douglas gets put on the PS.  The other thing I would say is the kick and punt return game aren't really all that great.  Other than maybe a couple of instances, Randle and Wilson have been basically average.  But as you said, if something isn't broke, don't fix it. 

[rob_mtl]

Giants are ranked 2nd in the league in passing yards. Jernigan was a rookie last year.

relax people

[todge]

Todge

  I remember people unhappy with Eli and his performance over his first couple of years, but I never remember reading about wanting him cut, or even 'run out of town'. Very rarely do first round picks get cut in their first few years, let alone a #1 overall pick.

 Jerigan is a #3 pick and probably a reach at that.

People are comparing the Cruz situation to Jerigen. It's apples and oranges. Cruz showed in a pre season game, when he was a rookie, that he had potential. That alone showed the coaches that there was something there to hold onto. Jerigan has shown NOTHING, in pre season, in any games he has managed to get into. He was touted as a punt returner, yet he can't do that very well.

 I would love nothing more than for JJ to become an all pro when he gets a chance, but when is that chance going to be. Even a rookie starts over him when he has been here two years, knows the offense, yet still cannot break the line up. I don't care what position he plays, who he is playing behind, if the coaching staff thought he could bring something to the game, they would find a way to get him some touches.

When he was drafted he was labeled S Moss II, and he has lived up to that billing.

First - JJ was not a "reach".  He was solid late 2nd, early 3rd Round value.  He was Sunbelt Player of the Year - yes, the same conference as DeMarcus Ware, Osi and a host of other pros.

Next - how can you possibly call this kid Sinorice Moss II and a bust when he hasn't even had a chance to see the field yet?  He shined in preseason - but as others on this Board have stated, he is a slot receiver and is buried on the depth chart behind someone called Cruz.  Now if you are going to cite two muffed punts as evidence that he is a bust ... do you remember Dave Meggett fumbling two punts away in one game?

Third -a rookie in Randle starts ahead of him because he plays a different position as the X or Y.

Fourth - former NFL scout and Sporting News football editor Russ Lande Jr. gave JJ instant starting grades and the label "best yards-after-catch" WR in the 2010 Draft.  With all due respect, I think Mr. Lande is a better evaluator of talent than most fans are.

There just isn't a large enough body of work to state this kid is a bust yet.  This league is full of players who don't blossom until their 3rd year in the league or even later.  Now several years from now, if this kid still can't get on the field, then you can cry "bust" until the cows come home.  But until he gets his chance, it is not a fair label.

[LennG]

Todge

 If you want to continue to sue the excuse that he is 'buried' behind others, then that's fine. But as I have said several times already, if the kid has shown the coaches anything, he would be seeing some time on the field. They would find some place to get him in the game, SOMETIME.

Yet again, another game where he doesn't dress. Plus, I don't believe I ever used the words 'bust' when talking about Moss, oops I mean Jerigen, but if you can't see the whole picture, then you just aren't looking at it very well.