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« on: October 22, 2012, 02:42:18 PM »
OK, currently the best clutch QB in the NFL.

Is there another QB from the past who possessed the same clutch skills or better than Eli?


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Re: Eli
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 06:27:31 PM »
 newp!    :laugh:

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Re: Eli
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 07:02:33 PM »
some how can eli say make on that each possession is at the end of the game.

have to admit, he was like roger the dodger, he feels if he has to ball at the end the giants will win.

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2012, 08:16:15 PM »
well I dont know howq old you are but Joe Montana was always considered the king of cool. there is 'the drive" he pulled to beat the bengals in the superbowl. even the comic strip "peanuts" had snoopy with sunglasses going around with the nickname 'joe cool" at the time which was attributed to  Schultzes praise of Montana.
 Personally. i think if we are talking the 2 minutes left thing whether o,t, or in the game, eli is better. however, just like everything else in sports, the 'talking heads" of the sports world will alway go with Montana as the player from the older era. 
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Re: Eli
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2012, 08:37:30 PM »
I think Eli is the best ever in the clutch.  Joe has the drive.  Well all right- Eli has two of em.

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2012, 08:40:32 PM »
More than Montana, John Elway was regarded as the best clutch, comeback QB.  His 4th quarter comeback drives were legendary.

Lots of 'em and in big games too.


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Re: Eli
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 09:30:45 PM »
I think Eli is the best ever in the clutch.  Joe has the drive.  Well all right- Eli has two of em.

Actually 3.  Don't forget that in the 4th quarter of the 2007 Super Bowl he had to drive them 80 yards to take the lead, and then drive them 83 yards to retake the lead.
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2012, 10:21:07 PM »
Weeze  I saw Montana play and he was certainly a quality QB at come backs, I don't have stats to compare the two but watching Eli weave his magic whether regular season game or playoffs or SB, I think Eli ins numero uno!

I don't ever remember any one QB directing so many come backs.

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Re: Eli
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 10:39:56 PM »
roger the dodger, elway, montana, and eli have to me the most comebacks in the 4th quarter ever.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2012, 11:05:43 PM »
Eli has the most 4th quarter comebacks than any other QB.

The one guy who hasn't been mentioned is Unitas. Eli broke his record.

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2012, 11:41:36 PM »
Eli has the most 4th quarter comebacks than any other QB.

The one guy who hasn't been mentioned is Unitas. Eli broke his record.


I think you are thinking of a different record.  The Unitas record Eli broke was the # of 4th qtr TDs in a season. 

Lifetime, Eli is currently #14.  Peyton and Brady are the only active Qbs ahead of him.  Peyton is #1 with 37.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2012, 12:09:00 AM »
Thanks for the correction.

But yes, Unitas has to be in any discussion of clutch QBs.

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Re: Eli
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2012, 12:36:56 AM »
well I dont know howq old you are but Joe Montana was always considered the king of cool. there is 'the drive" he pulled to beat the bengals in the superbowl. even the comic strip "peanuts" had snoopy with sunglasses going around with the nickname 'joe cool" at the time which was attributed to  Schultzes praise of Montana.
 Personally. i think if we are talking the 2 minutes left thing whether o,t, or in the game, eli is better. however, just like everything else in sports, the 'talking heads" of the sports world will alway go with Montana as the player from the older era.
Sorry, can't give Montana the benefit of "Joe Cool."  I remembered Joe Cool growing up...which makes me feel old.  Just looked it up and the "Joe Cool" Snoopy was from 1971. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2012, 03:33:31 AM »
well I dont know howq old you are but Joe Montana was always considered the king of cool. there is 'the drive" he pulled to beat the bengals in the superbowl. even the comic strip "peanuts" had snoopy with sunglasses going around with the nickname 'joe cool" at the time which was attributed to  Schultzes praise of Montana.
 Personally. i think if we are talking the 2 minutes left thing whether o,t, or in the game, eli is better. however, just like everything else in sports, the 'talking heads" of the sports world will alway go with Montana as the player from the older era.
Sorry, can't give Montana the benefit of "Joe Cool."  I remembered Joe Cool growing up...which makes me feel old.  Just looked it up and the "Joe Cool" Snoopy was from 1971.

bldevil is correct. I looked it up as well. I also looked up Joe Montana and he didn't start his career at Notre Dame until 1974 (which I found interesting since that was the year I was born).

However, in regard to the original post, did Brett Favre become known for late game comebacks in his earlier years with the Packers? I'm asking because I don't remember for sure. I seem to recall how they had to come from behind but I don't remember specific games.

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Re: Eli
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2012, 11:43:13 AM »
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However, in regard to the original post, did Brett Favre become known for late game comebacks in his earlier years with the Packers?


Favre did have 30 come-from-behind wins, yet I never thought of Favre as clutch. I believe he was known equally for late-game failures and choking as comebacks. Even in his successful years, '96-'97, the Packers ran away with their wins. In the '98 Super Bowl, didn't Holmgren famously "let" the Broncos score to get the ball back late and Favre failed to win the game?

Here's some all-time lists, some surprising names (Kerry Collins!):

Game-Winning Drives:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

Comeback Victories:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

And in the playoffs:

Game-Winning Drives:

1. Brady 7
2. Elway 6
3. Eli, Montana 5
5. Bradshaw, Marino 4

Comeback wins:

1. Montana 5
2. Bradshaw, Brady, Elway, Eli 4

It would be interesting to see statistics about the number of opportunities a QB had to win at the end of the game and how often he was successful...

The guy least mentioned here is Brady. Easy to forget that Eli's two Super Bowl drives came in 4th Quarter duels against a guy with a very strong claim to being the best clutch QB himself.

As far as Staubach, may be a case of that Cowboy hype striking again. The guys had fewer comebacks than titans of the game like Jay Schroeder and Neil O'Donnell.

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