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QB:

Mahomes: if Mahomes is there at 23, he might be the Trump card. I think the Giants and MacAdoo see a liitle Aaron Rogers at Cal in him. And MacAdoo could be smitten

RB:

Christian McCaffery: Absolute do it all RB. On the high end he could be Marshall Faulk/Leveon Bell type which would do wonders for the offense that MacAdoo is trying to run. Only RB in my opinion worth our #1 pick that has a chance to make it to 23. Interesting to see what they do if he is there at 23 (even with Vareen still on the team).

WR:

Zay Jones: When all is said and done I think he could end up being the best WR in this entire draft. Thats how good I think this kid is. He was the MVP of the entire Senior bowl. He had 6 catches 68 yards and 1TD with another 2 big catches called back that would have put him over 100 yards and 2TDs and that's not playing the entire game either. Amazing hands ,decent size (6'2), and good route runner (who can get even better in this area). A ridiculous 158 catches last year. Because this is not necessarily a high need this is the only WR I'd consider at 23 especially with the value elsewhere.

Cooper Kupp: This kid is not far behind Zay for my next favorite receiver. If there is one thing Reese puts an emphasis on with receivers he drafts it's elite route running ability. And he has been extremely successful in the top 2 rounds with this philosophy (OBJ, Nicks, Steve Smith,Sterling Shephard). Cooper looked nearly uncoverable in the Senior Bowl and is just so good at gaining quick separation which is essential in the offense we run. I don't think he'd be in consideration at 23, but I would be all over him in round 2.

TE:
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OJ Howard: A 2 way monster at the position who also flashed at the senior bowl. Day 1 starter at the position and could have a Shockey like impact. Shockey was excellent in Fassel's system.

Njoku: A little more raw but just as much upside.


OT:
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*I write OT and not OG/OL because I think this team is pretty stocked at OG compared to OT. Unless Flowers takes a quantum leap next year at LT this position could be the biggest weakness on the team.

Garret Bolles: Unfortunately in this draft there is only one guy in my opinion who has elite LT ability who isn't a long term project. He has a nasty demeanor and tested off the charts in the combine. Excellent ,excellent feet as seen on tape and a 7.3 3-cone (Giants value 3 cone highly for certain positions like LT,WR,DE) . 4.95 40 at 295 lbs is also excellent. He still needs better functional strenght but a year in an NFl strenght and conditioning program should do wonders. He could still likely start day 1 at LT and be better than anything we have right now and allow the 3 of Jerry,Fluker and Flowers to battle it out for RG,RT.

Dion Dawkins: MG swayed me on this guy. I originally though no way he has LT versatility in the pros but he may. Size, long arms and an amzing 7.3 3-cone time. If the giants think he can play LT he needs to be in the discussion.

Forrest Lamp: One of most polished OL in the draft. Potential zach martin clone and day 1 starter. LT versatily possible but shortish arms. Play all over the OL and maybe serve as Flowers insurance.



DEFENSE:
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Pass rush:
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Malik McDowell: if the supposed character issues check out, he could be a steal at 23. Was pretty much the entire Dline for Mich St. playing up and down the line and looking at times absolutely unblockable. Constantly doubled and even triple teamed and still made many plays. Technique was a little sloppy but could be due to playing all over the line. Another freak size/speed guy 6'6, 290,4.85 40, long arms ,angular, quick twitch but still stout at POA. Basically could be all what we wanted Chris Canty to be when he signed on here. Would potentially be incredible with Snacks next to him occupying double teams and freeing him up to just beat a single blocker on the way to destroying the QB.

Derek Rivers: 6’4/248 - Youngstown State (Some of SY 56 from BBI comments included)

Summary: Three time 1st Team All Missouri Valley Conference defender. Leaves Youngstown State as the program’s career sack leader with 38.5. Rivers is a high upside prospect but will need time to mature his body. He needs more weight and strength so that he can deal with NFL tackles and avoid simply getting locked on to upon contact. There is a combination of tools and skills here, however, that is difficult to find. His ability to play low, fast, quick, and explosive can make a tackle think twice about being a step late out of his stance. Rivers is a top notch kid that will bring a chip on his shoulder in to the league. 3-4 teams will especially be interested.

Amazing bend and contortion to get around the edge and still make the tackle. A guy who could potential play the edge on pass downs and play OLB. One of the hardest guys to block around the edge in entire draft class with room to grow even further

Taco Charlton: Don't love his overall production but his angular frame and size (6'6 and pretty long arms) plus ability to bend around the edge just oozes elite NFL pass rush potential if he continues to come into his own. I trust the Giants scouting when it comes to DE's as they really seem to smell who has the right combination of projectibles. If they pick Charlton , I think this guy could be another Chandler Jones.

Jordan Willis: Slightly shorter than the ideal but still pretty good size at 6'4 and an absolute blur on the edge with 4.5 speed. One of top measurable guy in all of the combine at the DE position. Was the Senior Bowl MOP for the South team with 2 strip sacks and fumbles.

Demarcus Walker: 6’4/280  (SY 56 comments from BBI included)

Summary: Four year senior that started games every season of his career. Capped it off with an All American campaign in 2016, finishing second in the nation with 16 sacks. Walker’s impact was felt both inside and outside, as the FSU coaching staff loved to move him around to exploit matchups and use his high on-field IQ to disrupt the opposing offense. Walker may not have a true every down position, but in a scheme that likes to move guys around, his potential is sky high. He may not thrive as well if someone puts him in one spot every down.

*A very similar version to what we see in Allen. Early in the year, Walker was put on my list of guys that I wanted for NYG. He has some of the most dominating tape of all the defensive linemen line in the class. He had stretches where no lone blocker, guard or tackle, could stick to him. Walker can beat guys so many different ways and the attention to detail is what will make him a productive player in the league. His arsenal is huge. Some say NYG should look at him in round 2. Well I think they should be looking at him in round 1.
DE/DT versatility similar to how we utilized Justin Tuck. This kid checks a ton of boxes and may not need much grooming to be a quick contributor.

Tanoh Kpassagnon: Raw but not much more raw than JPP was and we drafted him 15th. Shined at the Senior Bowl against top talent. Absolutely explodes off the line like he is shot out of a cannon. Even more of a size/speed freak than McDowell. 6'7,(35.6"arms and 10.625" hands!),290 lbs,4.83 speed. Extremely smart and has played both inside and out on Villanovas line.We also seem to love these African born athletes with tremendously tough names to say/spell  Some are starting to call him the JPP of this years draft. At this point the upside is so high he may not make it to our second round pick.

Dietrich Wise: Another guy that fits Giants preffered body type at DE. 6'5 275, ridiculous 7.07 3 cone and 35.6" arm length. Shined at the shrine game arguably best player on both sides. played both inside and outside and looked very good on the edge often doubled and still made plays. 1.5 sacks , 8 tackles 4 QB hurries. Monster game. Likely a day 3 guy, maybe end rd 2.


Daeshon Hall: The 'other' DE at texas A&M. Not quite the freak like Garrett but absolutely excellent measuables in his own right. Really showed well at the Senior Bowl dominating one of the top OTs there Antonio Garcia. Love his frame/size/speed combination 6'5 266 with a 7.03 3 cone at this size (demonstrating top notch COD skills). A guy with mid late second round potential like Osi and Strahan were.

Chris Wormley: Ran a high 4.7 40 at his pro day at 6'6 300 lbs. High caracter guy how could be a perfect 3 tech pass rush DT and occasional DE on run downs in a 4-3. Giants brass met with him.

Terrel Basham: Very underrated passrusher. Size, speed strength all above average.

 Ifeadi Odenigbo: A name to keep in mind for the later rounds.  Purely a pass rush specialist but he does it very well. A guy who can come in on pass downs spelling JPP and/or Vernon (or allowing JPP to slide in to DT)



Hybrid DE/LB :
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TJ Watt: Spags is beloved by the front office and has the ear of the organization. I beleive he really wanted a dynamic guy that could rush from the second level from the defense and put his hand in the dirt on obvious pass downs. Hence the love affair with Floyd last year who looked excellent as a rookie for the Bears last year (despite the concussions). TJ could be this years version of Floyd. 6'4 and absolute excellent measurables. 4.69 speed, 252 lbs and a ridiculous 6.79 3-cone (demonstrating excellent C.O.D. skills). Coming into his own and while not the size of JJ he seems to have some very natural pass rush ability of his own that he is starting to realize. Has a similar passion for the game as his brother.

Derek Rivers: See above under pass rusher

Tyus Bowser: Excellent sack numbers over career for someone primarily playing LB. Very athletic and seems to have that it factor. Great sack to pass rush opportunit ratio (may be one of highest ratios in draft). Has some good agility numbers as well.

Giants have been long looking for a guy from the second level who could provide legitimate pass rush. From last years white hot interest in Floyd at 10, to the surprise pick of Clint Sintim in round 2 a few years back, the Giants have long wanted a guy who can play LB but at the same time be stout enough to put his hand in the dirt on passing downs. Bowser could be that guy. Excellent size and length and an eye popping 6.75 3 cone. Also a tremendous sack to play ratio. Also shows ability to play in space and match up with TEs. Some scouts apparently have a first rd grade on him.

From the Combine Spreadsheet linked in my other thread:

Bowser was looking for a huge senior season, coming off of a junior year where he started every game, making 50 tackles, 6.5 for loss, and 5.5 sacks. Unfortunately, a fight with one of his teammates resulted in his missing a month with a broken orbital bone. He overcame that setback to still garner second-team all-conference honors, leading the team with 8.5 sacks among his 12 tackles for loss in just eight games. Bowser played basketball and football over his first two years on campus. He played all games on the gridiron as a freshman (26 tackles, 5.5 TFL, 4.5 sacks) and sophomore (13 tackles, 3.5 TFL, three sacks), starting once each season.

Explosive, quick-twitch athlete. Bursts out of his stance and challenges the edge. Good shoulder turn at the edge of rush and can dip and corner with very tight radius. Showed ability to play in variety of spots. Crisp change of direction ability. Took to his coaching and showed drastic improvement against the run this year. Played two years of college basketball at Houston which shows up with his footwork and fluidity when dropping into space. Has ability to pattern match tight ends. Light is starting to come on for him.

Safety/Nickle LB:
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Obi Melifonwu: Could be the freak secondary player of the entire draft. 6'4 ,224 lbs with 4.4 speed. Many scouts feel he would be an elite TE or RB eraser at the next level with even some Centerfield capability depending on the defense you play. Love the measurables and potential for what the creative Spagnuolo could do with this guy.


*Honorable mentions:
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Zach Cunningham- very smart,instinctive LB with legit cover skills a dimension sorely lacking on this team. 6'3/6'4 long arms and tremendous football IQ.

Hasson Redik- Love his game but not his size at 6'1 and shorter arms. Giants are usually pretty selective on size/speed combo but possible due to ability
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