Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: AYM on Today at 04:55:40 PMSo we should expect the Giants to take Penix?

I hadn't notice he was missing from the list

https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1781419712603430985?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 02:42:54 PMI wonder what the corresponding grades for our receiving corps are.

Here are the two rankings per PFF

Pass Blocking

2019- 16
2020- 32
2021- 31
2022- 24
2023- 32

Receiving

2019- 17
2020- 25
2021- 31
2022- 27
2023- 32

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 02:33:18 PMSo we were the 30th last year? Maybe I'm not remembering right, but I had thought the claim made by some here was that the line began to suddenly play much better once Jones went down, allowing the journeyman backup and undrafted rookie third string QB to perform better than Jones did.

If it was indeed the case that Tyrod and DeVito enjoyed better O line play than Jones, how did the line still ultimately only finish 3rd from the bottom of the league?

That was the O-line's overall grade.  The PFF's pass-blocking grade was dead last with a putrid 43.4.  Being dead last has degrees, so a line can improve and still be dead last.   Then again, for your claims to make sense, one would have to believe the return of Andrew Thomas (and the subbing out of Neal) didn't improve the O-line.

Still, if one is dead set on finding fault with Jones...

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 02:28:31 PMEven though Minny can give a lot more than the Giants for the Pats, Vikes, or Chargers to move down, the one thing they can't give is the 6th pick in this year's draft. A team like the Cards may have their hearts set on getting one of the big three receivers. If they love two of them roughly equally, it makes sense to trade with the Giants. I'm not saying this will happen, but it's one way it could.

Jeff,

I haven't heard much about it lately, but there has been talk that the punishment for Atlanta tampering (having the medical people talk to him before it was allowed) Cousins could be swapping the Falcons' and the Vikings' first-round picks.  That would put the Vikings in an even better position should that happen.

The other thing that struck me is that Jones has never had the opportunity to work with an offensive line that was in the top half (not top third, just half) of the league.  Talk about being in an unappealing position.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 02:14:04 PMIf we draft a Wr how is that wr going to transform our offense?

If Slayton and Hyatt got under utilized, why wouldn't this new Wr?

The weapons do not matter if you don't have someone to get them the ball. Whether that's Lock or Jones, any skill that comes in will be under served until the Qb changes.

Slayton caught 50 balls as a #1
Hyatt caught 23
Robinson caught 60

I just don't see any skill producing like people would want them to until someone is brought in to throw down the field.

Jess,

I suggest reading the thread on the 3 Ps of quarterback support.   Right now, the only pillar we know the Giants' quarterback has is average to maybe above-average coaching.   The O-line was historically bad last year, and among last year's pass catchers, there were none that were keeping DCs up at night.

In addition, when a team adds a true number one WR, they boost all three positions.  Defenses will put their best CB on the new number one WR and may even roll coverage that way.   That means guys like Hyatt and Robinson will be single-covered with less talented CBs.   So, adding one elite WR boosts the entire receiving corps.

Quote from: londonblue on Today at 12:12:59 PMI thought that as well but their beat guys (including Allbright who is wired in with them) all think Sean Payton is in deep man love with JJ McCarthy. Smoke season of course.

I saw Eric from BBI make that claim.  Only when I went to the Youtube video he linked, the guy saying the Broncos are hot to move up is Tony Pauline.  When I listened to Albright, he seemed far less sure the Broncos are trying to move up.


According to NFL Insider Tony Pauline, the Denver Broncos are desperate to trade up for a QB and may trade a king's ransom including CB Patrick Surtain to the Arizona Cardinals for pick #4? Is Monti Ossenfort waging a bidding war for the draft's top QBs? Will the Cards still manage to select Marvin Harrison Jr.? Will Arizona sports fans be happy with Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers in a trade with the New York Giants or Minnesota Vikings?

Join Johnny Venerable and Bo Brack on Thursday's PHNX Cardinals podcast!

0:00 Intro
1:50 Sean Payton wants new QB
4:10 NFL Insider Benjamin Allbright joins the show!
13:20 Quarterback tiers
18:40 Allbright final mock draft
35:50 Monti Ossenfort speaks at pre-Draft presser
52:45 Trade calls expect to ramp up next week

https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1781371793753727263

I will admit, even I am suffering from fatigue at this point in terms of evaluating the QB class, but for those who are not.  Here are two articles full of comments from NFL coaches and front office staff


https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/04/19/2024-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-case-study-top-prospects

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-nfl-draft-pro-execs-scouts-coaches-rank-and-evaluate-the-top-20-prospects-in-this-qb-class

CHATTER: GIANTS WILL TAKE A QB AT NO. 6 OR TRADE UP
There has been talk about this since Daniel Jones tore his ACL last season, and it was clear the New York Giants would have a top pick. Yes, the organization has done extensive work on all the top quarterbacks in the draft. However, I have not gotten the indication they'd pull the trigger on taking one at No. 6.

There are rumblings in league circles that if Drake Maye fell, he could intrigue them the most. Otherwise, they likely will take a different position, whether a receiver or an offensive lineman. There is a good chance the Giants will explore taking a quarterback in this draft, but it could be in the second round.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-nfl-draft-fact-or-fiction-on-draft-trade-rumors/

Quote from: londonblue on Today at 12:19:13 PMFirst time round Wellman introduced elements of yoga and the non-martial arts (tai-chi specifically). I suspect his return will see shifts towards more flexibility, bodyweight, resistance and high intensity work to complement traditional lifting more in line with developing trends in other sports. It will be worth watching.

It appears that some of the strength training also focuses on joint stability.  In the olden days (when I learned about weight and strength training), it was all about isolating the muscle or muscle group you were working on.  The things I see, put the various joints in play, which should improve stability

Quote from: londonblue on Today at 12:02:11 PMA completely dispassionate assessment is Minnesota will win any bidding war to trade up. It might be to 3 but Denver are said to be prepared to sell the farm to move up. I do not see Schoen getting into a bidding war so I have us as most likely to go WR at 6 but more likely to trade down than up. We will find out in 6.5 days!

It's funny about Denver.  As an admittedly non-Denver fan, it would seem like the Broncos would be well served by sitting tight and drafting Bo Nix at 12.  He would seem to be the perfect QB for what Sean Payton likes to run.

The Tweet is a short video, and the link leads to pictures.  There seems to be more work on the grass (conditioning?) than I ever remember and the strength training is much different than my younger days at the gym.


https://x.com/Giants/status/1781352059096240595



https://www.giants.com/photos/giants-offseason-workout-program-underway-2024#644f4eee-af16-402d-8713-207fc51e8bcf