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Quote from: Uncle Mickey on Today at 11:41:51 AMYet he led the league in tight window throws for like two years under Coach Shurm and had no issues throwing down the field.

No QB is playing confidently behind an OL that gives up 85 sacks. That's like historic level of stink

He was drafted to play in Pat Shurmur's offense. Shurmer is gone.

Quote from: Philosophers on Today at 11:37:40 AMHe does not naturally downfield like some throwers and see a typical NFL tight window and throws it there.  Instead he bails and throws a much shorter outlet pass.  He needs to be bolder mentally.  I think he is plenty accurate to make those throws.

The question is, is Jones shell-shocked from being hit, or is he is more worried about turning the ball over?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 07:59:02 AMThe 1,000 yards and 12 tds difference is pretty significant. My problem isn't with Jones physically as he has the tools, I just see someone that can't mentally get over the hurdle of an offense that he's asked to do very little In. He can't read the field like he needs to or process things like he should for a Qb going into year 6.

In today's game you need a 4,000 yard 20td + qb to be relevant and we just don't have that currently.

Forget about the statistics, the reading of defenses, going through progressions, looking off safeties, and passing accuracy.

The number one thing that drives me insane about Daniel Jones is his lack of vision in the pocket when things get messy. He doesn't know where his blockers are and he certainly doesn't know where the rushers are. If the backside rusher makes contact with him he is almost always surprised and this results in a turnover far too often. He's got to get better at knowing without looking. For all the comedy surrounding Devito, watch how well he positions himself inside the pocket and only takes off at the absolutely correct time to abandon it. It's really his best ability.

Jones looks like an athlete "trying" to play quarterback. He doesn't just need better protection. He needs late 70s Raiders-early 80s Skins-early 90s Cowboys level of pass blocking.

But hey, hope springs eternal.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 10:37:11 AMIf you value Super Bowls, how about the trophies won by the Bucs (Brady), Rams (Stafford), and the Broncos (Manning) none of whom acquired their QB via the draft (even)?

I guess, if you're fine with all-in one shots. I thought we were trying to build sometime sustainable. I mean, there are at least many examples, and probably a lot more, of teams that brought in a high profile quarterback who was getting long in the tooth and it didn't work out. Either the guy got injured or something else broke down...and then the team succumbed to cap issues and the whole thing desolved.

I'll bow out now.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 10:24:24 AMEven if you don't think DJ is the guy, I don't see why drafting a worthy WR at 6 is something to fret over. 

I get people want a different QB.  Truly elite QBs are rare, so if we assume the Giants upgrade DJ with a QB who is not in that category, they will need top tier talent around him.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 10:19:47 AMOn the other side of that coin you have teams like the Eagles, 49ers, and the Cowboys who parlayed talented rosters and QB support into finding their franchise QBs in rounds other than the first one.

2 superbowl appearances, 0 superbowl wins. Cowboys own us, but they are still kind of a hot mess. I mean, now we're back to the "can you find a franchise quarterback somewhere else besides the top 10" discussion, which is usually good for 10 pages or more. The truth is sure you can, but the odds are significantly against you. Almost like catching lightning in a bottle. I don't think most teams really even go after later round quarterbacks with a plan to make him the starter. Usually he's drafted as a backup and the stater gets injured and the backup siezes the opportunity. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 10:03:18 AMMore like those that are happy, appreciate and understand that quarterbacks need support to develop and even just to function and here is what neutral Athletic writer ranked the Giants support system


6. New York Giants
Pass blocking: F
Run game: C
Weapons: D (potential F)
Play-caller: B
Defense: C

The Giants have Daniel Jones signed for another two seasons but there is buzz that they might make a move in the draft to get one of the top four quarterbacks. The biggest draw New York has is that head coach Brian Daboll and offensive coordinator Mike Kafka have shown they can piece together an offense with toothpicks and paperclips. The Giants surprised the league in 2022, finishing 10th in offensive DVOA, but their lack of overall talent especially on their offensive line caught up to them last season. Andrew Thomas is one of the best left tackles in the league but he can only block one rusher at a time. Jones missed significant time and the Giants finished 30th in offensive DVOA. The Giants' weapons cache is the worst in the league.

If you want to keep drafting QBs just to watch them crash and burn, ala the Jets, by all means let us not get any receiving weapons.

https://theathletic.com/5421402/2024/04/19/2024-nfl-draft-ranking-qb-friendliness/

The only flaw in this reasoning is the assumption that when your team is ready, you just dial 1-800-quarterback and get one. Usually the opportunity to get one doesn't present at the perfect time. That's why middle of the road teams end up with guys like Elvis Grbac, Brad Johnson, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kirk Cousins, and washed up Brett Favre. 

Quote from: Gmo11 on Today at 09:17:50 AMIf the goal is to win 8 games instead of the usual 5 or 6 then yes this is a great situation. And Jones can do that with all these playmakers around him carrying the load.

If the goal is to win multiple playoff games and/or a super bowl they're going to need a better QB and they'll need him quick before Nabers becomes very expensive.

Perhaps we can win just enough games to put drafting a franchise quarterback out of reach?

Quote from: y_so_blu on Today at 09:07:40 AMWe needed a quarterback more than we needed a wide receiver. One of my favorite quarterback prospects fell into our lap at #6 and we didn't take him.

So let me check... no. No, I am not waking up happy.

We will all be watching his career in Minnesota.

Quote from: Giant Obsession on Today at 09:52:31 AMI doubt there will be more than a handful of games where we are attempting to run out the clock.

But your point is right on.

I think that could very well depend on how well the defense plays. But I appreciate your point.

Quote from: Bob In PA on Today at 08:01:04 AMTonka: Completely agree, but this year IMO they have the answer. Both Robinson and Nabers can contribute in the run-game, and Singletary is a proven NFL-caliber RB. Gray will no longer be a rookie and maybe he's ready to contribute. I think to address your point directly, this year the pass-attack will open it up for the run-game. Daboll/Kafka are not traditional coaches... they prefer the "newfangled" pass-first offenses, and whether we like it or not there will be very little (if any) "Giants' football" on offense and a lot more open attack. Bob

I think you'll see a team that is capable of generating more big plays but struggles mightily to convert short yardage and to run out the clock.

Quote from: Philosophers on Today at 09:30:27 AMA breakaway, pass catching RB would be a nice piece to add to this offense which lost one nice piece in Barkley and needs a healthy replacement.  Eric Gray is not the answer.

I want a guy that can get tough yards between the tackles.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 07:42:26 AMOver/under what week the complaints start to roll in via the wrs because the ball isn't getting to them?

Is Nabers the kind of guy that will flap his arms, talk smack to his quarterback, and make remarks to the media if things aren't going well?

Quote from: Bob In PA on Today at 07:13:38 AMOther than @MightyGiants point involving adding depth, I see this whole thing differently.

The question to answer is how adding Nabers affects Wan'Dale Robinson, not Slayton. Nabers has the potential to be elite, and one position he can play is WR, and he will be paid like a #1 WR, but these coaches will not deploy him as a traditional #1 WR. 

I can't say how where all the pieces will be when the "dust" settles, but recall that Robinson played mostly out of the backfield in college, and Nabers spent a whole lot of time at LSU in the slot. I expect the Giants to move Nabers and Robinson around a lot and we'll see Robinson being used more like Barkley was. To get full value out of Nabers, they'll have to scheme him open (a lot more than if they had taken Odunze, for example). They can't just flank him out wide on every play.

Bob

PS. Ideally, (once Nabers has his feet on the ground, and assuming no injuries), Hyatt and Slayton will split time torturing defenses deep and one or both of them hopefully will have a big year (fingers crossed).

One thing we are going to see this year is disrespect for our running attack until it proves itself. Teams will focus on taking the deep ball away. This will be a great departure to what we've seen in previous years.

Quote from: bamagiantfan on Today at 05:45:35 AMI've always liked Slayton because he seems to outplay his ability every season. But the fact that the Giants have not been able to upgrade the position over the last 4 years has made him valuable to the Giants. He'll show up. He'll compete. He will stay healthy or play hurt. He'll be ready when his number is called. I wish we had more wide receivers like that. Maybe now we do. We'll see.

I agree. I like Slayton.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 25, 2024, 10:11:33 PMYou have to pull DJ out from under the Bus Nabers threw him under first.

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