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Messages - TONKA56

#1
You just know that the refs are going to be all over the map when enforcing this.
#2
Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 24, 2024, 09:38:47 PMI'd throw in forcing Coughlin to fire Gilbride.  A guy who gives you consistent top ten offenses doesn't grow on trees and his one bad year that was the basis for the firing was pure scapegoating because it wasn't on him, it was the start of the Giants personnel decine, particularly on the OL.

And that all began with Mara's "the offense is broken" comment. 
#3
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 24, 2024, 11:02:10 AMYou gotta know when to hold'em, know when to fold'em. The draft is a little bit of poker and Gettleman couldn't play poker worth a damn. He held pocket Aces and folded...not to mention, broadcasted to the world he wanted DaVonta Smith...duhhh  ~X(

I concur - Bob's example in that draft flipped the switch from "improving", to "imploding"

It's not the first time. Reese did a similar thing in 2014 when he wanted Doug Martin, but Martin was sniped by Tampa, so he panicked and took David Wilson. 
#4
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 24, 2024, 10:51:39 AMTonka: I can't disagree with that, but the point is that they made BOTH mistakes at once, and then compounded their error with more errors. It was truly disastrous, not only in terms of personnel, but also how it likely IMO altered the career of Daniel Jones. Bob

That's fair but I think this situation makes a case for not panicking and letting the draft come to you.
#5
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 24, 2024, 10:47:03 AMTonka: Good one. My only comment is that Donald truly is/was "too small" to play the position. That would have been a tough pick to explain to the NY/NJ media, IMO. Of course, it turned out to be a genius move for the team who took him, but other teams also passed on Donald, one of the truly great players of all time. Bob

Winners know when to break from established metrics. Parcells said as much but stated it somewhat differently.

Losers run to where the ball was, not to where it's going to be.
#6
DaVonta Smith? Meh.I'd rather have Parsons anyway.
#7
For me it's a wash between not drafting Aaron Donald and not drafting Micah Parsons.
#8
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 22, 2024, 04:54:49 PMInteresting point: Would a fan rather have a quality, entertaining, decent team that flames out every year at the end for decades (cheer all year, cry at the end)...or an up-and-down, feast-or-famine, stink-or-shine type of team that wins a Lombardi every decade (bitch all year, surprised some years and have a parade)?

As for me, I'll take the latter

We have this exact same conversation every three or four years.
#9
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Campbell to the Eagles
March 22, 2024, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 22, 2024, 08:00:32 AMHe wasn't a slot guy, he was a perimeter receiver. The QB's dysfunction in last years offense only saw the perimeter a few times with Slayton.

Campbell wasn't asked to do much because our offense was trash. He's no spring chicken, he needs an offense that's ready to cook.


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No spring chicken? He's only 26.
#10
Quote from: katkavage on March 19, 2024, 12:01:55 PMIt is very very strange the love for Jones the player. He really has shown nothing spectacular or even close in his five years with the Giant. Am I missing something? I'm still waiting for him to beat a good team...or even have a decent game against a good team. Is it all about beating an average Minnesota team in the playoffs? If so, why wasn't the following game thrown into the mix when Jones was dreadful against a real good team? The whole thing is bizarre. Is it because he was a first round pick (even though the guy who picked him is gone) that the owner doesn't want to admit a mistake? I just don't see anything close to greatness in his game. And now with the injuries??? 

Jones checks a lot of boxes that the Giants hold in very high regard. That's just the way it is.  :-??
#11
Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on March 19, 2024, 10:25:02 AMI have no idea why Schoen would say that. 

Because he doesn't want anyone to know what he really thinks heading into the draft? Unlike a certain someone. 
#12
Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2024, 05:03:37 PMBFW was so tantalizing for sure.  Maybe he comes back from his injury and learns.

I will take another Nicks type hands catcher at 6'0" in a second. 

I don't think the BFW experiment is over.
#13
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Campbell to the Eagles
March 22, 2024, 05:54:39 AM
Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 21, 2024, 02:10:24 PMParris's role at WR never came to be because he stank.

I wonder what the coaches saw or didn't see in practice which led then to only use Campbell in a handful of hopeless 3-yard hitch plays. I don't think the guy went 10 yards past the line of scrimmage all season.
#14
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 21, 2024, 03:16:00 PMI heard an ESPN Eagles beat reporter proclaim the Eagles are getting a "Pro Bowl running back" by signing Barkley.  Would you agree?

It's just lazy sensationalist writing. I remember Jason Sehorn being referred to as a pro bowl cornerback just after his injury even though he didn't make the pro bowl.

As fair as Barkley goes its marginal at best.
#15
I'll never knock the Barkley selection. The Giants thought and hoped they were getting the next Barry Sanders, an electrifying player who could dominate, frequently create plays from nothing, and had the undeniable potential to score every time he touched the football. Forget for a second that he happened to be a running back. Those guys that can go the distance any time the ball is in their hands are rare and it doesn't matter if they line up at tailback, wide receiver, tight end, or fullback. I also happened to believe that Saquon Barkley's character weighed heavily into his evaluation as the Giants were a bit of a mess at the time. Barkley was almost assuredly doomed to fail to meet the impossibility high expectations, especially after the "touched by the hand of God" comment.

Unfortunately the Giants didn't get the next Barry Sanders.

There was always a bit of unspoken toxicity surrounding Barkley even when he was playing well  Lots folks wanted one of the quarterbacks or just flat out hated Gettleman so much that they couldn't separate the two. It never went away and any time Barkley stumbled or was less than perfect you were going to hear it.