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I'm for a mix of both. You need elite star players at core positions, ideally QB and a WR.

You can have good players elsewhere that eliminates the below average/weak players.

Although the salary cap is an issue - too many stars and you won't be able to afford to re-sign them.

Ultimately, a mix of both is required for any sustained success.

For me, I think it's about the situation regarding the players/staff that are already in the building. Some will respond to the fire and shouting approach, others will respond better to a softer more collaborative approach. It's important that every person knows their role in the organisation the details of their position and responsibilities.

I don't subscribe that there is one particular way to manage but the key is being adaptable and able to manage expectations. But the person at the top needs the respect (which is earned and not given) of those who he is managing and the subordinates need to follow. They cannot go off script and devise their own approach - everything flows from the top but it's important to listen to the voices below, take on feedback and ultimately be adaptable to the needs of those around you.

I have a similar Daboll v Wink situation in my workplace. I am an Associate Professor (our titles work differently than the US, where all teaching staff are called professor) at a UK University, last year a position arose to lead our relatively large Faculty as the Research Director. This role would be beneficial for career in terms of making the next step to full Professor and the Deanery approached me to apply.

One other person applied and were unsuccessful. Since August, all this person has tried to do is undermine the decisions I make, put on their own events and basically not playing ball. The upshot is they have formed a little clique that basically operate on their own - which is not what the Faculty wants. This time of year is when researchers have to apply for research remission and this will be partly based on productivity in the last academic year. His productivity has been low, he rejected a mid-year review of performance and basically not engaged with any of the processes I installed to increase research outputs, He's basically done nothing. As such, his research remission (in terms of time off teaching to write) will be drastically reduced or nil. This will cause problems in terms he will be unhappy and further problems will arise in terms of behaviour/performance. Everything is metric driven around outputs in UK academia, so we need everyone pulling in the same direction.

I can't help but draw some minor parallels with the Dabs situation and sympathise with him. The end result of winning NFL games v Academic research performance is not analogous at all, but the points surrounding it would be. My life would be exponentially easier if my 'Wink' resigned, so I'm on Dabs' side in this one, you can't have people basically driving their own little circle and freelancing.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 02:18:02 PMJones outplayed the 3 Ps of support, which is really what one expects a franchise QB to do.  Coaching was adequate to above average, but protection was below average, and playmakers (in terms of receivers) were non-existent.  Despite that, in terms of the quality stats, Jones was top 10 to 12, in that range.

Out of interest, what was Barkley's stats and productions through the first 8 weeks of '22.

Whilst he doesn't fit into your 3 P's, I suspect he was pretty darn good.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 02:15:27 PMThat's the thing about trading down.  Eventually, you need to get some blue-chip players on your team.  If you are constantly trading down to create quantity, it's more difficult for you to add those coveted and badly-needed blue chippers

Exactly. If the tier 1 QB isn't there. Take the tier 1 Wideout.

You need tier 1 players.

I really want them to get a game changer. There should be a WR there and potentially a QB.

Pull the trigger, I say.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 01:29:35 PMOne thing, so far, is that, unlike Gettleman, we haven't witnessed Joe Schoen outright lie.  Schoen tends to speak in a manner that makes him difficult to pin down (most of the time) rather than using Gettleman's ham-handed, just lie-to-the-people approach.

I guess we will wait and see.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 18, 2024, 01:23:27 PMThere's a saying in England we use for politicians - don't believe anything until it's been officially denied.

Furthermore, it's smoke and mirrors season. Why show your hand 7 days before the draft.

But people can swallow up whatever they want. Nothing will change opinions until either a) they draft a QB or b) make a decision next year.

Still can't see anything other than WR or QB, personally.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 12:57:25 PMhttps://x.com/TalkinGiants/status/1780999156137361800


https://x.com/TheGiantsWire/status/1780997622553047304

There's a saying in England we use for politicians - don't believe anything until it's been officially denied.

Or that Lock outplays him either in pre-season or starts the season like a house on fire.

Granted it's unlikely for a journeyman to do so but it's not beyond the realm of possibility either.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 10:05:34 AMWith many fans, it's the complete opposite.  Those fans will never acknowledge the challenging situations Jones has had to deal with. Those fans expect Jones to perform literal miracles.

And the converse is also true for his ardent supporters. They simply cannot admit that the re-signing was a mistake for a multitude of reasons - be it supporting cast not there, production or the fact he's injury prone.

Either way, he will have our answer on the franchise QB in 7 days or 12 months.

There's no need to go around in circles.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 09:58:23 AMI think the claims of DJ being a slow processor are more the result of fans claiming they see that on film (they don't) rather than a reflection of reality.  Unless you are at Greg Cosell level tape grinder (with access to the full 22), the average (and even above average fan) is not capable of discerning processing speed.   I would also suggest that if fans' claims about the slow processing were true, Schoen would have never signed DJ to the contract they did.

My biggest concern with DJ moving forward is that the Giants did such a horrible job protecting him over the years he is starting to see ghosts.   It's possible that DJ's ACL tear may prove to be a blessing in disguise because it gave him some time off from the beatings, and perhaps he will recover from his previous trauma.  That is a big question in my mind.  I'm not sure how DJ will react when he starts getting hit again.  So traumas become ingrained, and I don't care how tough you are; they just keep impacting you.

Much in the same vein as fans can't comment on processing speed. I don't think any fan can comprehensively say he's seeing ghosts. Has any staffer or player come out and said this?

If they have, I've missed it.

Jones gets all the excuses under the sun. In 7 days, we will know what the Giants think. He's either good enough for next year or he's not.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 09:38:35 AMBrugler did a 7 round mock.  How would you feel about this whole for our boys in blue?


1 (6). Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
2 (47). Jaden Hicks, S, Washington State
3 (70). Trey Benson, RB, Florida State
4 (107). Michael Pratt, QB, Tulane
5 (166). Josh Newton, CB, TCU
6 (183). Justin Eboigbe, DL, Alabama

The Giants already have a back-up. If they want to waste a spot on a 3rd QB - give it to DeVito.

There's no justification for wasting a 4th round pick on a QB that isn't contending to start.

The Giants need to get much better at identifying role players in rounds 3-5 rather than wasting them on "projects" ala Peart or 2nd/3rd string QBs.

Draft a QB early or not at all would be my preference.

I think he's reached his ceiling and is replaceable. However, a lot of people say you can get a good RB late in the draft and the Giants haven't hit on one since Bradshaw - despite giving it a go.

Sometimes it's better the devil you know. Tough choice for JS and company.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 17, 2024, 08:38:18 PMRe tickets:

Last year I put I think $300 down on the Rangers to win the ECF. I forget what odds I got exactly, but I calculated the hypothetical take on a win to be about enough (or close) to get at least serviceable seats at MSG for one Cup game, should they be lucky enough to make it. Of course they didn't, which was too bad, but I still thought that was a decent enough way to play the situation. I don't like pissing away $300 any more than the next guy, but it's not the end of the world, either.

This year it's different. They're only 4-1 to win the ECF, which isn't much of a payout. I'm not even bothering at those odds. If they make the finals and I want to go, I'll probably just have to pay up. Not ideal, but it will be hard to pass up that opportunity. I could hit up business contacts, but I don't like owing people favors, which would definitely be the case if I had someone take me to a Rangers Cup finals game at MSG on the arm. Tough.

Right now I'm not worried about any of the above though. If they are lucky enough to get that far, I'll consider my options then.

Slightly more value in England. They are 15/2

Game one is Sunday afternoon