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There's still a few picks in the 1st round yet to go but given how things have shaken out to this point I think the Giants go CB in Round 2 provided a good one is still available.  I think they know that this team is going to need the defense to carry them which is why they got Burns and signed him to a mega deal.  CB opposite Banks is kind of wide open right now and if they can get a solid player there this defense has the potential to be one of the best. 

Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 11:07:07 PMLenn,

In 2022 Daniel Jones had a 93.2 RTG ranked 13th, a 60.2 QBR ranked 6th, and the Giants went 10-7-1 and won a playoff game.

May I ask did you forget about this?

Respectfully...that was not a great season for a QB in today's NFL.  It was barely good and only by comparison from what they had seen from him prior to that.  And in fact, that team wasn't really talented enough to make the playoffs they just had a LOT of lucky bounces along the way that got them extra wins.  Had those bounces gone the other way, (which they very much did this past season) and Jones still has those same stats but without the playoff appearance/win, there's not a doubt in my mind he would have been replaced last offseason.

Will he be better?  Probably.  But that's not exactly a high bar to reach.  Will he be excellent? Probably not.  He's just not a great QB.  Few are.  He has flashes that make you realize that the talent is there but that quickly is followed by about 3 or 4 crappy games to bring you back to reality. 

They will need to move on from Jones soon but clearly they didn't feel like these other 3 QBs were more valuable than Nabers.  I tend to agree that Nabers is a special talent and tough to pass up at #6...but until they get him a guy that con consistently get him the ball there's not much he can really do to help generate wins.

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 25, 2024, 09:49:09 PMProbably still offensive line. Or lack of running game production.

They'll find something.  They always do.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:21:32 PMEyes popping out of his skull excited.

Of course he's excited!  Everybody expected (hoped) they were about to take his replacement.

Quote from: ralphpal1 on April 25, 2024, 09:12:34 PMJust think the weapons we have next year if we have to picka QB ?
Look what the bears did for C Williams
Now we fix our line
We have 2 very good WRs and a Top WR
Put a rookie QB behind there
He is good to.go

Easier said than done.  If they are to be in position to take a QB next year that means suffering through a miserable season this year.  Are we all prepared to sit through another 3 win season in order to get that QB?  Because if you're not then you should have been hoping for JJ or I guess Penix.

Love Nabers.  Loved Rome too.  I think as far as least likely to bust it was one of those guys.  Having said that...without a QB will it really matter?  JJ grew on me as the process went on so I would have been fine with him too.  I just hope the Giants can end up with Penix or Nix too.

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 25, 2024, 10:36:31 AMI can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if JJ is the pick and Maye is also available.

I'd prefer it!  I think that would be exactly the right thing to do!

Quote from: coggs on April 24, 2024, 07:06:49 PM3rd goal against was on Wennberg.  Can't lose the puck there.  The wild 2 minutes at the end was on Igor.  After an icing he caught a shot off the faceoff.  Should have taken the whistle to allow the Rangers to change.  Instead, played the puck, and then couldn't get it out for 2 minutes.

Agreed.  It was curious in real time what exactly he was thinking but to his credit he stood tall those last two minutes and didn't allow that tying goal. 

I think the Giants like him.  I think the Vikings know the Giants like him.  I think the Vikings are going to trade up to 4 or 5 and take him before the Giants can.  And then the Giants will pick their favorite of Rome/Nabers.

This is great!  Obviously highly unlikely but I like the options given here because this really makes you think.  Where the Giants are positioned if they don't trade that decision is likely going to be made for them and it's probably going to be a WR.  Whichever one they prefer. Putting these options on there makes you draw a line in the sand not just WR vs QB but which one. 

And I voted McCarthy.  It really gave me pause looking at those WRs and knowing just how hard it is to get a guy like that. It's why the Lions backed up the brink truck to Amon Ra St-Brown's house today. I certainly will not be disappointed with either one of those WRs. 

But ultimately for me I wondered if they don't take a QB now when will they?  Jones is bad but he's not Zach Wilson bad where they will be right back in the top 5 if he plays most of the season.  They'll likely be in the 8-12 range.  Where it would cost too much to move up and get a QB.  So then what?  Jones again not just this season but the one after?  So we can do that same dance again at that time?  Or wait for him to get hurt and hope that it happens early enough in the season so that they don't win any games with him before he goes down? That doesn't seem appealing to me.  So I say if no trades and those options are there I go QB and I like McCarthy over Maye by a bit of a margin. 

Quote from: T200 on April 24, 2024, 11:01:56 AMI get what you're saying but that's not how things work, or should. Every organization has a hierarchy. There are ramifications and repercussions for taking those actions (leaving or getting fired). He currently has 1 of 32 positions and all of the employers who hire for those positions talk.

In a similar way, you're suggesting he go partial Wink. That would be a bad move. He needs to stay true to himself and do his job as best as he can despite the interference. Doing otherwise would be career suicide.

I'm saying he was hired to do a job and if the ownership doesn't trust him to do it they shouldn't have hired him in the first place.  Ultimately this will end up sticking to him good or bad.  If they run Jones out there again and again he's gonna have a hard time getting another one of those 32 jobs after he's inevitably fired.

He can't get fired and THEN point the finger at an idiot owner that wouldn't let him do his job.   That's sour grapes.  If he actually is being hindered he should say so now, leave, scream to anybody that will listen how none of this was his fault, and when 5 other GM's get fired next season he'll be in the running for some of those jobs.

I don't know if Mara actually is getting in the way or not.  It's all rumors and such even if they are believable rumors.  But I do know if somebody can't properly do his job because his boss won't let him then there's no reason for him to have that job anymore.  Whether he's fired or quits he's in a got to go situation. 

I can absolutely see a scenario where Mara and Co. are wondering why the hell did we pay Jones all that money last season when now we are so done with him we have to give up other picks in order to replace him.  In a vacuum that would be a fair question to ask.

But much like a lot of the fan base, Mara I assume was also tantalized by the playoff appearance/victory and was not going to be signing off on dumping Jones at that point.  THAT also would have been a hard sell even if it's exactly the right thing they should have done.

So when Mara asks well wait a minute why do we need to do all of this to get a QB now when we just paid Jones, Schoen needs to be able to say to him: "I would have done it last year but you wanted to try one more time with Jones.  We tried.  It failed. He failed.  Now you HAVE to let me do things my way."  If he can't say that to Mara he should leave the job, if he can say that to Mara and gets ignored...he should leave the job or get fired from it. 

We cannot have ownership getting in the way of things any more.  It's Mara's team, he can do what he wants with it, but if what he wants is to win he needs to stay the hell out of the way.

I actually like Penix a lot when just looking at the play on the field and would be totally fine with him as a top 10 pick if not for the injuries.  But you just can't ignore that no matter how much you'd like to.  He's one ACL tear away from having his career ended before it really even starts. 

It's incredibly risky to take a guy like that so early in the draft when they could presumably get a bonafide stud at WR instead.  A WR without those injury concerns.  If they do love Penix I imagine they could move down in the draft given how good those WRs are and still get him later while also acquiring another high pick or two in the process. 

I don't think the Giants would seriously take Penix at 6.  That seems wildly unreasonable to me.  But the part about them being desperate to come away with one of the QBs doesn't seem unreasonable at all.  I just don't know if they'll be able to do it.

For what it's worth, again based strictly on the play on the field and nothing else, I like Penix a lot more than Maye. Maye just has all his original ACLs.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 23, 2024, 09:26:08 AMFrom everything I hear, Daniels is the favorite, but you never know

Daniels was the HEAVY betting favorite to go #2 until very recently when reports started coming out that he wants no part of Washington.  And now it's almost a pick em with Maye so who knows. 

If he's able to force Washington to not take him and drop to 3 that might be in range for the Giants to make a move for him.  Which I think they would at least try to do.  New England might just take him themselves and never look back of course but that least forces the Giants to make a phone call.  I don't think they would make that call for Maye or JJ.  And all of this, of course, is based on my own hunches and no actual factual reporting.