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Big Blue Huddle / Re: Did Joe Schoen overpay for...
Last post by H-Town G-Fan - Today at 01:11:19 AM
Tyrod was 5.5MM for the last two years. Lock's contract is a push as a cap concern and completely acceptable for a backup QB with some starting experience.
#2
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants may need a new assi...
Last post by Giant Obsession - Today at 01:00:55 AM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 18, 2024, 10:55:06 PMFair enough.

Serious question, as I don't know the answer: was all this bad stuff about Daboll's supposedly toxic personality known when he was in Buffalo? If so, how come Josh Allen has said such great things about him, and why would Joe Schoen, who clearly had extensive internal visibility in Buffalo, make a big bet on him by hiring him?

And if not, then why would a previously well-behaved, well liked guy suddenly become this toxic, bad guy?

I'm struggling to add all this up.

Everybody handles the pressure of being "the leader" differently.  For some it is not that big of a deal.  For others, especially at this level, they find themselves in a position as HC all alone and may internalize it in a way that causes their personality to take on characteristics that are new to them.

Some people are great soldiers, but lousy generals.  Perhaps that is the case with Daboll.  Shoen may have seen a great assistant but there was/is no way or very little way to predict how they will react to being "the man".

I am puzzled as to exactly why Shoen decided to monitor the headsets for four games.  IF, and this is purely conjecture, Shoen saw a problem maybe he thought he help fix it rather than reach a logical conclusion that Daboll was not the man for the job.  Remember Mara had made the statement that he was tired of firing HC every 2 years.  Would you want to be the new GM that goes into Mara's office and tell him "we need to  make a change at HC.....after 2 years again.  Remember Shoen hired Daboll.    Take a couple of i.m.o. lukewarm drafts, add in a volatile HC you hired.....Not a good look for Shoen.  And let's face it no one wants to lose their well paying job ever.  Especially since this is Shoen's first go around as a GM.  Next stop Jerry Reese land.

As for Daboll the halftime interview against Buffalo where he looked and sounded totally bewildered because of how the half ended was a flaming red flag for me.  Both halves of that game and the Jets game with a 4th and 1 to salt the game away where was his superstar captain RB utilized.  Didn't even touch the ball.  Don't blame Kafka.  In a game deciding situation like those the coach makes the call.   Sending out an injured PK.  Having a backup QB throw a jump ball at the back of the end zone....really.  Saquon Barkley, Mr. Franchise, doesn't touch the ball  ???  WHERE was his head ??

Then comes the "toxic" rumors after the season.  Smoke or fire ?? 

But the players love him !!!  Everyone loves an easy boss.  I will say the players did play hard for him.  But where are the wins ??  DeVito pulled at halftime of a game cuz "we needed a spark" and yet Game 1....a route by halftime Daniel Jones took every snap in the game, even at 40 - 0.  Never mind there are still 16 games to be played and my QB has a bad neck injury history.

I think Daboll, much like Jones has trouble processing under pressure.  Shoen will have to separate himself from Daboll this season if he wants to survive.  I doubt Mara has many nights where he is not tossing and turning.......and hoping.  Hoping doesn't win in the NFL.
#3
Big Blue Huddle / Re: NGT: Justin Fields to the ...
Last post by jgrangers2 - March 18, 2024, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 18, 2024, 06:19:18 PMApparently they didn't want the distraction. I didn't mean to imply he had a hand in where he was going, but he may have sabotaged a situation or two. He needs a step back. I don't know if he can be a good QB but I think the situation is good for him.

It will be interesting to see what the Steelers do with him. I'd think they'd pick up the 5th year option and essentially commit to him as their QB in 2025 at least if he doesn't usurp Wilson at some point this year.
#4
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Ranaan: Giants Considering...
Last post by jgrangers2 - March 18, 2024, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 18, 2024, 06:30:15 PMThis makes sense in theory, but it might be tricky in practice.

Personally, if I were Daboll, I would lean heavily on Bricillo's input on this subject. If Bricillo told me at the end of August that, based on what he has seen in camp and the preseason, he thinks Eleumenor is the better RT right now and gives us the best chance to win, I would not usurp him and force him to go with Neal because my boss and I had an agenda of trying to make a failed draft pick work. I would definitely go with whoever I thought helped give the team the best chance to win, including in week one.

If Neal wants to keep starting at RT for this team, I don't think expecting him to beat out a FA OT we brought in for $7mm a year (low for that position) is asking a lot of a third year player.

Obviously if he continues to look terrible in camp, I'd just go with Eleumanor at RT. My main question is at what point do you make the shift to guard? I can't imagine you can have him working on both positions at once so if you don't make the shift in camp, is it the kind of thing where he just becomes a healthy scratch for a few weeks while he works on playing guard?
#5
Big Blue Huddle / Re: JJ McCarthy (could he be t...
Last post by DaveBrown74 - March 18, 2024, 11:06:29 PM
Quote from: Philosophers on March 18, 2024, 10:05:04 PMI hate the idea of leaving topflight talent at other positions available to draft a QB who does not get it done.  They need to nail the evaluation.

I agree. We've done it before. Can't do it again.
#6
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Ranaan: Giants Considering...
Last post by DaveBrown74 - March 18, 2024, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: Philosophers on March 18, 2024, 10:14:20 PMI would love to see the Giants decode by July 1 and get everyone into their actual positions for the entire camp.  No "let's experiment til Sept 1 then decide."

I think they can go with a working assumption of their starting team and hope to stick to it, but I don't like the idea of making firm commitments on July 1st to the point where it doesn't matter how guys look in camp and the preseason. I could see doing that on an established, strong line, but not one that has been in flux. Performance in camp and preseason has to matter, and it has to justify any working assumption they have on July 1st.
#7
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants may need a new assi...
Last post by DaveBrown74 - March 18, 2024, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: Giant Obsession on March 18, 2024, 10:06:20 PMGood question.

An even better question is why after such a short time does he want to go back to coaching on the college level.

Hmmmm.

I have my thoughts BUT I am a very big believer that our HC can only portray a personality for the reporters and public but for so long, and then his real personality takes over.  But hey, those are just my thoughts from the outside looking in.

Fair enough.

Serious question, as I don't know the answer: was all this bad stuff about Daboll's supposedly toxic personality known when he was in Buffalo? If so, how come Josh Allen has said such great things about him, and why would Joe Schoen, who clearly had extensive internal visibility in Buffalo, make a big bet on him by hiring him?

And if not, then why would a previously well-behaved, well liked guy suddenly become this toxic, bad guy?

I'm struggling to add all this up.
#8
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Nowhere Cold!
Last post by ralphpal1 - March 18, 2024, 10:54:39 PM
Lonzo ball dad made his kids millions and.no one got arrested
#9
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Nowhere Cold!
Last post by T200 - March 18, 2024, 10:30:06 PM
Is he going to tell him to sit out a cold weather playoff game too?  :hmm:
#10
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Nowhere Cold!
Last post by spiderblue43 - March 18, 2024, 10:30:06 PM
Quote from: Philosophers on March 18, 2024, 10:02:18 PMLarry - When I hear the kid talk, he sounds like a really good kid.  No pretense.

When dad talks, I hear Lonzo Ball's dad.

That's what I hear too. Haven't sensed his kid is a problem. For Prime to make that "insistence" doesn't help at all.

What's next? Build my kid a dome!?