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#21
Big Blue Huddle / Re: JJ McCarthy (could he be t...
Last post by DaveBrown74 - March 28, 2024, 08:14:23 PM
Quote from: Philosophers on March 28, 2024, 07:55:44 PMRodman did that after he became famous and established his high level of professional play not before he is trying to get to his first contract.

That's my concern for him.  Judgment.  Now he needs to be not drawing attention to himself this way.

That's a fair point about Rodman. He wasn't really "weird" on the Pistons. You're right. I think you make a valid point.
#22
Big Blue Huddle / Re: JJ McCarthy (could he be t...
Last post by EDjohnst1981 - March 28, 2024, 08:14:02 PM
Caleb Williams is already famous.
#23
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Mara on why they didn't tr...
Last post by PSUBeirut - March 28, 2024, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: jimc on March 28, 2024, 06:45:36 PMI believe they wanted to sign Barkley, but at their price. That is responsible stewardship. I think they were surprised that they couldn't.

I don't believe at 2-6 we were done. I don't know what would have gotten us into the playoffs, but you keep playing and trying until you can't. You owe it to your players and to all the other teams.

If you are not trying to win then the only thing you're doing is QUITTING.

Look, you have your opinion and I have mine.  Better to say that we agree to disagree on this point. No harm no foul.



Agree with this 100% and will add a few more points.

-Viewing the team in such a "macro" way feels a lot more like fantasy football/Madden type of thinking than actually running an NFL organization.  At 2-6, following a season in which the team had won a playoff game, is 100% not the time to trade away literally your only offensive weapon and the face of the franchise.  Doing so would have been a disaster- leading to a higher draft pick?  Sure.  Disastrous in every other way?  Yep.
-The fans that pay for tickets and spend all that money to go to games deserve a franchise that is trying to win
-Comparing the Giants throwing in the towel with NINE games left in the season to the Eagles tanking in the final game of the season for draft position is apples and oranges and intellectually dishonest.
-It seems obvious that the Giants were hoping the RB market this year would be similar to what it looked like when the bottom fell out the previous year.  They would have definitely signed Barkley back if that was the case.  But it wasn't....  In fact, DaveBrown and many others on this board thought the same thing and were proven 100% incorrect.  In their eyes we had a broken down RB about to hit a terrible RB market and so it would be smart to let him hit free agency and then try to sign him to a team friendly deal.  That turned out to be wrong.  Ob la di Ob la da.  It's ok to be wrong sometimes. 
-Guess what?  After all this chatter on this board over the last few years it actually looks like Barkley was the smartest one of all of us.  Got a tag for a good amount of $$ and then converted that to a deal that will set him up for the rest of his life- and in the process goes to a hometown team with actual offensive players and an OL around him, and to top it off he gets to stick it to all the fans who have weirdly turned on him. 

It will be interesting to see how he does next year, to say the least.  If he stays healthy, IMO- look out.  Top 3 RB for sure. 
#24
Big Blue Huddle / Re: NFT - NY Knicks - 2023-202...
Last post by nb587 - March 28, 2024, 08:06:43 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2024, 06:57:42 PMThe more I think about it, the more I'm concerned about Randle. This injury has been a black hole.

My concern isn't so much that he won't come back this year. I'm pretty sure he will. My concern is more that he'll come back and not be the player he was before the injury, earlier this year. I worry about him being disruptive to the flow of this team by trying to do too much when he physically can't.

I hope they don't bring him back unless they're 100% confident he has no lingering effects from this injury. A dislocated shoulder is no joke. That's not something you just "tough out" if it's on your shooting arm, which I think it is. Randle is a guy who forces shots, handles the ball more than he should, and generally takes chances. When he's on, he's dominant. But when he's not, he can really hurt the team.

I just hope they manage this situation well. To me, OG is the more important player and the one they need most. They need a guy who can D up on the dominant wings in the east, like Jason Tatum and Giannis. That's OG. Not Randle. The Knicks have enough offense without Randle. Plus OG can odd some offense when needed too.
100% agree
#25
The Front Porch / Re: Dance compellation
Last post by Jolly Blue Giant - March 28, 2024, 07:59:06 PM
Found a couple on the different side of things for you Lenn...modern music...old dancers mashup

Fred Astaire and Rita Hayworth rockin out to Led Zeppelin



Cut ups to the song "What is Love"...which actually used to be good dance song, but ruined for anyone who watched SNL's "Night at the Roxberry" and can't hear the song without thinking of that skit with Chris Katan, Will Ferrel, and Jim Carey. Hilarious skit (right up there with "livin in a van, down by the river" with Farley)...but it ruined the song forever. This video is saved by Sven Otten (the man with the black hat), who really can dance

#26
Big Blue Huddle / Re: JJ McCarthy (could he be t...
Last post by Philosophers - March 28, 2024, 07:55:44 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2024, 06:33:51 PMI can see why this would rub many NFL fans the wrong way, and I understand why, but for me it's still all about what the player does on the field and how he treats and interacts with his teammates. The rest is noise to me. If those two overriding factors are strong, then I don't care how he dresses, what he does with his hair, or even if he paints his nails, personally.

Dennis Rodman was doing stuff like this (and way, way more by the way) several decades ago, and he was an absolutely pivotal part of two different championship winning NBA franchises. The Celtics are the best or second best team in the NBA right now, and there is a key guy on the team with florescent green hair.

You can run an NFL team with the mindset of only looking for guys who look like they were plucked from central casting for a 1950s Ovaltine commercial. That's one way to play it, and I'd say our owner is a bit like that. And it seems we have plenty of fans who prefer that sort of approach. But to me, it's about what the player does on the field, and how he interacts with his teammates and coaches. His physical appearance, hairstyle, or fashion sense is way down the list of things I care about. I want talented players who are winners and great teammates. I don't care what they look like.

Rodman did that after he became famous and established his high level of professional play not before he is trying to get to his first contract.

That's my concern for him.  Judgment.  Now he needs to be not drawing attention to himself this way.
#27
Big Blue Huddle / Re: As I listen to the daily d...
Last post by MightyGiants - March 28, 2024, 07:45:52 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2024, 07:33:19 PMI think they were feeling pressure from above to make sure both Jones and Barkley remained Giants in 2023. I think the combination of that, plus the fact that there weren't really easy or obvious alternatives, led them to their decision. I don't think they were ever sky high on Jones. It was a confluence of circumstances (mainly the above) that led to the decision, and the contract they gave him, while very substantial, was structured in a way that they weren't tied to him for nearly as long as most teams tie themselves to QBs who get big second contracts.

Looking at how things have played out since the decision, I would say there is little doubt that they now wish they had franchised Jones and just signed Barkley to a three year deal with a two year out.

The benefits of hindsight.   Unfortunately injuries can be unpredictable, especially if you have a subpar medical department and you fail to protect your franchise QB
#28
Big Blue Huddle / Re: As I listen to the daily d...
Last post by DaveBrown74 - March 28, 2024, 07:33:19 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2024, 07:24:02 PMAre you saying Schoen and Daboll didn't properly evaluate DJ before signing him to a big contract?

I think they were feeling pressure from above to make sure both Jones and Barkley remained Giants in 2023. I think the combination of that, plus the fact that there weren't really easy or obvious alternatives, led them to their decision. I don't think they were ever sky high on Jones. It was a confluence of circumstances (mainly the above) that led to the decision, and the contract they gave him, while very substantial, was structured in a way that they weren't tied to him for nearly as long as most teams tie themselves to QBs who get big second contracts.

Looking at how things have played out since the decision, I would say there is little doubt that they now wish they had franchised Jones and just signed Barkley to a three year deal with a two year out.
#29
Big Blue Huddle / Re: As I listen to the daily d...
Last post by MightyGiants - March 28, 2024, 07:24:02 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2024, 06:48:03 PMI agree. Which is why it's perplexing to me that some fans feel they still haven't yet seen enough of Daniel Jones (1900 NFL passing attempts) to make a concrete evaluation of him.

Are you saying Schoen and Daboll didn't properly evaluate DJ before signing him to a big contract?