Big Blue Huddle

if the first post is true, there might be some bidding up among interested teams.  TRADE DOWN.  I'd rather have 2 red chippers than a 'blue' chip bust, and those qb's have bust written all over them

Quote from: Bob In PA on Today at 02:05:52 PMThose other teams believe what I believe... pick six is good slot to be in this year. Bob

When you consider the top shelf (4 QBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and at least 1 OT) that would all be top 1 or 2 picks in many other drafts, you can see why. Hence, if trading down, don't trade down too far unless you get a ridiculous offer that includes multiple pics in the first half of the draft, coupled with first round draft picks in coming drafts

If the Giants want a QB, they like all four QBs they can trade to 4 and give up less to trade two places than say in 2025 if they are maybe 10th and have to trade up to 1st or 2nd pick.

It's all about their real need for a QB and whether they like 1, 2, 3 or 4 QBs

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 02:19:13 PMTheir GM Wolfe said they were wide open either yesterday or today. Their issue is having zero talent anywhere really. So they need even more than the Giants need.

The Pats will be in a Bryce Young situation if they take a QB. Whoever he is, he will get battered. They have nothing.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 02:15:27 PMThat's the thing about trading down.  Eventually, you need to get some blue-chip players on your team.  If you are constantly trading down to create quantity, it's more difficult for you to add those coveted and badly-needed blue chippers

Exactly. If the tier 1 QB isn't there. Take the tier 1 Wideout.

You need tier 1 players.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 02:15:47 PMIf you think the naysayers on DJ are old and tiresome, wait until a year down the road and a QB like Bo Nix or Pennix, or Pratt turns out to be the second coming of Herbert...or worse, we pass on JJ and he becomes a star like Tom Brady. I can't imagine this board if DJ struggles and one of the QBs we passed on jettisons into a superstar. It won't be fun for the next decade with all the "We could have had Nix (or some other QB who grows hair on his chest and becomes a stud franchise QB). Even worse, we trade DJ, draft JJ, and DJ turns into the second coming of Brady with a good team around him and JJ sucks. Oh what fun that will be 

Ahhh...the good old, "time will tell" must be adhered to here. Draft can't get here soon enough

Ric,

How many of the Jones critics were also the same people who were advocating for the Giants to draft Sam Darnold?

Quote from: LennG on Today at 02:17:17 PMI'm not doubting you but the way I see it, the Pats need a QB in the worst way.

Their GM Wolfe said they were wide open either yesterday or today. Their issue is having zero talent anywhere really. So they need even more than the Giants need.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 02:14:27 PMIt shouldn't though because as much as people try to act like Jones was magnificent in 2022, he wasn't the 3200 yards and 15 tds show that. So if he duplicates 2022 then in my eyes it's even more obvious we need a change. A 6th year Qb that can't throw for 4,000 yards when 4th rd picks come into this league every year and do it with less talent should be alarming.

Jones outplayed the 3 Ps of support, which is really what one expects a franchise QB to do.  Coaching was adequate to above average, but protection was below average, and playmakers (in terms of receivers) were non-existent.  Despite that, in terms of the quality stats, Jones was top 10 to 12, in that range.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 02:00:58 PMPatriots just announced they were open for buisness at pick 3. If that is true then one of the top 4 likely falls in our lap.

I'm not doubting you but the way I see it, the Pats need a QB in the worst way.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on Today at 02:10:05 PMI really want them to get a game changer. There should be a WR there and potentially a QB.

Pull the trigger, I say.

If the Giants are interested in a QB, and I believe they are, but their top 4 are all gone after the Vikings jump them (as I believe they will) then I could see them being interested in trading down with a team like the Bills so they can still draft their QB (either Penix/Nix) and also collect more capital including I would imagine at least 1 more first round pick given how far back they'd be moving down.

The Bills NEED to get Josh Allen an elite WR now that Diggs is gone.  They'd likely go above and beyond to get to the Giants spot if the Giants were interested in moving that far back. The only question would be if the Giants are willing to trade back and if so that far back.