Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: bamagiantfan on April 13, 2024, 09:53:09 PMSince nobody trades for an even swap, the Giants will likely want something extra if there is a QB there they do not want and players they do, that they can get at #11.

bama: Heck, yeah.  The Vikings have TWO first-round picks this year, and the Giants would want both of them.  Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 15, 2024, 09:12:13 AMI have heard the issue with TEs like Bowers is that offensive coordinators need to change their offenses and scheme to include their special TE.   Many offensive coordinators start off scheming to include their special TE, but over time, they tend to drift back to what makes them comfortable.

Rich: Feldman said essentially that he is worth the pick. I agree although I think it should be the last option for the Giants behind WR, QB and OL (in that order).  As for molding an offense around him, IMO that could be an issue. I am not aware of any "special plays" or other offensive adjustments having been inserted into the Giants' playbook to account for acquisition of Waller... and he is a proven commodity. So it's unlikely they would do it for a rookie, or draft a guy that they didn't believe was ready to start now with the offense as it is. Bob

Rich: Of all the guys you "follow" for purposes of creating interesting topics, Feldman is my favorite college expert, though I never pay attention to him until now (shortly before the NFL draft). Why not? Because my view of him is so high that I don't want my analysis to be "tained" by hearing in advance what he believes or concludes. My goal: come to the same conclusions as he does. How did I fare this year? Not bad. After listening intently to him with Sckmelk (who, by the way, asks all the right questions) I'm satisfied to stand pat regarding my views of all of the positions on offense. I split about 60/40 positive vis-a-vis his views on defenders (my knowledge of the various college defense, many of which are little-used in pro ball, is vague and far from comprehensive). Bob

Below are my four "best case scenarios" (in order of best-ness) and my one "worst case scenario" for the Giants' upcoming 1st-round pick:

Best case: (a) they want a WR and their absolute favorite falls to them; (b) they want a QB and their absolute favorite falls to them; (c) their favorites are gone and the Vikings come a-callin' offering not only this year's two 1st-round picks but also next year's first rounder; (d) their favorites are gone and they draft the best player at one of the other positions (likely an OL) and he turns out to be good enough to start on opening day.

Worst case: Whomever they select sucks.

Bob

Quote from: 4 Aces on April 11, 2024, 09:06:35 PMWith OZ you gotta stay even with the LOS and start arcing up the field. I saw him consistently taking false steps backward (bad trajectory out of his stance) and getting beat by the DT. That's a tough block - the reach block - against some athletic DTs who are sometimes already shaded ahead of you. If the C can't cut the guy off (or loses depth) the play is ruined by penetration.

Aces: Right, but it's a typical rookie error, especially against an elite NT or DT. I'm certain he'll fix it this season. Rookies are caught between a rock and a hard place getting overpowered when they don't back up & getting getting beat around the side when they do. Bob

Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 12, 2024, 04:10:18 PMThis is listed by a sack per the amount of times blitzed:

Jayden Daniels  2.4
Spencer Rattler 2.7
Caleb Williams  3
Drake Maye      3.2
JJ McCarthy     3.5
Bo Nix          5
Penix           12

uconn: That's one reason why I continue to stick with my long-held view that Daniels is most likely of this group to succeed (though I continue to have questions about how he'll do on a team lacking an elite WR or TE). Bob

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 11, 2024, 02:29:27 PMSteep drop. Probability is that 2025 pick is in the 20s. But if there was another bad season for the Giants in 2024-2025, could that additional 1st rounder help facilitate a trade up for a QB (if they weren't already in position)? I would imagine Schoen is considering such possibilities. If I'm the Giants, I stay pat at pick number 6.

H-T: Same conclusion, slightly different reason. IMO, picking from the low 1st round (especially if draft depth doesn't match your team's needs) is the highest bust-per-dollar spot in the draft (which is already a super-high-risk endeavor). I'd also refuse such a trade. Bob

Quote from: kartanoman on April 11, 2024, 11:13:20 AMIt's bad enough I have to preach it to engineers integrating components and subsystems into a system. That's another story I'll share in depth when I retire in a decade and change.

k-man: Does your final sentence mean you're going to change after you retire in ten years -or- you're going to retire in slightly over ten years?  Bob

A lot of jabber, encompassing EVERY possible view so that whatever happens they can say "we told you so." IMO  Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 11, 2024, 09:34:36 AMI would be unhappy.  The Giants already have very good left tackle.  After that, the contribution to victory between an elite lineman and a solid lineman does not justify using such a high draft pick, in my opinion.

Rich: Assuming the OL selected would be Joe Alt, who also is very good at guard, I can see a plan to put him next to Andrew Thomas for one year until they make a final decision about Evan Neal. This would give the line five good players who are young enough to stay together for at least five years.

Thomas, Alt, JMS, Runyon, Elueminor(or Neal) (to start the season) with the "worst" possible scenario being that Neal fails and/or Elueminor (29 years of age) can't go forever but they have Alt as a backup.

This is a group that could make some noise in the NFL with a little good luck avoiding the injury bug.

Bob

Quote from: kartanoman on April 11, 2024, 08:50:42 AMThe offensive line has to work as an integrated team.

kart-man: Please re-post this sentence about once per week until the season starts. lol

Probably more flabbergasted than disappointed.  There are two scenarios where it could happen:

(1) (a) A perfect storm of some combination of the five picks ahead of us taking off the board ALL of the QB's and WR's on whom the Giants believe it's worth spending a high first-round pick, plus (b) the Giants have given up on Neal (adding disappointment in the Neal pick to my being flabbergasted that our luck is THAT BAD).

(2) The Giants are already (as of today) interested in so few (if any) QB's and/or WR's that there's almost no chance one or more of them could fall to the sixth pick (highly unlikely, IMO, because each of the three top WR's seem worth a first-round pick, as do at least one or two of the QB's (so the math is IMO on our side).

Bob

Quote from: katkavage on April 10, 2024, 01:39:12 PMNo one will give them that. They will have to come way off that if they want to move that pick. I don't blame them for trying. They want Harrison Jr. and know no one will do that deal.

kat: The Vikings may have a better offer... they currently have two first round picks this year, and they could add to that their first-rounder next year, which IMO is a better offer. Bob

IMO there is a shortage of QB's (if you measure by evaluating the percentage of starters who are elite against the number of QB's who are merely serviceable, barely average, or outright useless. Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 10, 2024, 12:30:55 PMNow, the new hot term is "processing speed".  Much like arm talent, I don't think the term is fully flushed out.  Waldman talked about Daniels processing too fast, in that he passed over one of his targets right before that player got open.

Rich: As for Daniels, what you said is one thing that does worry although he's top of my list, but that has nothing to do with processing speed.

I was referring to his critique of May.

The knock on Maye by Waldman is that his "slow" processing speed often leads to reduction in the yardage to be obtained on a particular play, because it's taking him too long to decide to throw the ball, which means it's often thrown to a less-than-optimal spot, causing the receiver to have to break stride or contort his body or even stop moving. This has little (or nothing) to do with completion rate. Maye is still very good at getting completions (good accuracy, good target selection, good at tight windows, etc) but in the NFL a lack of optimal processing speed not only costs you yardage, it also reduces your completion rate because defenders in NFL are far superior to what you ordinarily see in college. More often than not, pro CB's and S's are almost draped over the receiver, so any chance you lose to get him the ball at the optimal time and location is a very serious matter. Bob