From what I could glean in a cursory overview, the following are Prospects that I think would represent a good value at the 23rd overall selection for us. Of course this is a pre combine list that will fluctuate down the road with interviews, workouts xcetera.
I'll preface my list with the following comments. I'm not in favor of signing jpp long-term. I think it's a bad R.O.I. and I don't trust jpp to stay healthy. We can draft a replacement for 10% of what we'd have to Forfeit to him. If I had my druthers, Taco Charlton would be my first choice. Absent Taco there r great value at the corner and running back position. WR could be another fit? I know we're desperate for OL, but I don't see a single OL Prospect worthy the 23rd overall selection. In a normal year all of these so-called first-round OL prospects would be no more than second round picks I believe. Linebacker pool Is tragically shallow. There's a bunch of undersized DE's masquerading as 3-4 Rush Backers, but none that fit our 4- 3 scheme
So here goes in no significant order;
DE Taco Charlton. Either one of these two saves US money and makes us a better team immediately.
DE Miles Garrett
TE OJ Howard. Wishful thinking here, Maybe? But you never know...
TE David Njoku
Corner Marion Humphrey. How about another Eli Apple anyone?
Corner Marsh on Lattimore
Corner Quincy Wilson
WR Mike Williams. Three sizable WR prospects that we definitely could use.
WR Corey Davis
WR Mack Hollins
RB Lenard Fournette. Three superb RB's.
RB Dalvin Cook
RB Christian McCaffery
FS Malik Hooker. Don't really need them, but these three prospects are Elite.
SS Jamal Adam's
SS Jabril Peppers
QB Mitch Trubisky. Next Eli here?
QB Desmond Kizer
DT Chris Worley. Three Nice replacements for Hankins.
DT Jonathon Allen
DT Caleb Brantley
My two cents...
RB McCaffery has a huge day. Ran 4.48 & looks smooth as silk in the field drills.
RB position is holding up to scrutiny . It's being called the deepest in years .
Stud wide receiver Mike Williams will not compete.
Mike Mayock calls Guard Lamp the best OL Prospect. It shows u how shallow the OL pool is, when a Tackle isn't the number one Prospect according to Mayock, who's pretty good at his job.
Quote from: Jaime on March 03, 2017, 04:01:36 PM
RB McCaffery has a huge day. Ran 4.48 & looks smooth as silk in the field drills.
RB position is holding up to scrutiny . It's being called the deepest in years .
Stud wide receiver Mike Williams will not compete.
Mike Mayock calls Guard Lamp the best OL Prospect. It shows u how shallow the OL pool is, when a Tackle isn't the number one Prospect according to Mayock, who's pretty good at his job.
Worse, I am not even sure Guard is Lamp's best position. With his size he may end up at Center.
Timing couldn't be worse. What a year for OL Prospects to be lacking. ~X(
Thought this was funny:
"Mike Williams vows he'll be the best Mike Williams ever: better than Mike Williams, Mike Williams, or even Mike Williams."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/3/3/14807260/mike-williams-is-the-best-mike-williams (https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/3/3/14807260/mike-williams-is-the-best-mike-williams)
Very impressed with McCaffrey. He's like the ultimate weapon. No matter where you put him you're looking at big play potential and a whole lot of mismatch options in the passing game. He has his Daddy's hands and route running ability :ok:
Ceri,, saw his dad Ed McCaffrey in training camp as a rook with the Giants. I thought he looked good. but didn't he wind up getting cut,? then went on to a terrific career with the Broncos I think it was? :-??
Quote from: Jaime on March 03, 2017, 04:55:55 PM
Ceri,, saw his dad Ed McCaffrey in training camp as a rook with the Giants. I thought he looked good. but didn't he wind up getting cut,? then went on to a terrific career with the Broncos I think it was? :-??
Nope, he played. Had some injuries and was jettisoned against the wishes of GM George Young as part of Dan Reeves influx of New Jersey Broncos. His replacement? Arthur Marshall. Who? Yeah, I could have cried. Especially when I met Marshall in my hotel over in the Meadowlands and he was smaller than me! McCaffrey went on to a storied career with the 49ers and Broncos.Marshall out of football two uneventful years later
My bad, WR Mike Williams will not run the 40-yard dash. however he will work elsewhere tomorrow. Redfaced
Mike Mayock questions wide receiver Mike Williams ability to get generate separation. He says the reason could be a lack of speed. This dovetails into Williams refusal to run the 40. It's believed that he'll take several weeks to work at improving his 40 speed for his Pro Day workout. A 40 time in the low 4.5's will be huge. If Williams runs a 4.6, he'll be seen as a possession receiver to move the chains that will be fighting for 50-50 Balls, rather than catching balls cleanly with sufficient separation.
I have also chosen Cory Davis and Mark Hollins as sizable wide receivers with skill sets that will fit our needs. The two aforementioned WR's will be working out Sat.
Buzz is that Hankins is going to command close to 10 million per with 20 million guaranteed per in his next contract. this does not even come close to fitting into the Giants Cap Room ability. Especially if they have a realistic desire to resign jpp. So when the DT's workout, keep an eye on Jonathan Allen, Chris Wormley, and Caleb Brantley. I saw these three Prospects as good-looking 3-technique DT's for us to replace Hankins.
Quote from: UKGiantsFan on March 03, 2017, 05:04:32 PM
Nope, he played. Had some injuries and was jettisoned against the wishes of GM George Young as part of Dan Reeves influx of New Jersey Broncos. His replacement? Arthur Marshall. Who? Yeah, I could have cried. Especially when I met Marshall in my hotel over in the Meadowlands and he was smaller than me! McCaffrey went on to a storied career with the 49ers and Broncos.Marshall out of football two uneventful years later
Jaime, Ceri, I had read an interview with Ed McCaffrey after he got to Denver. He credited his development with watching Jerry Rice in SF. He was very impressed with his work ethic and could run all day. You guys might remember he was physically far superior than when was with the Gmen. He always had the great hands though.
My number one QB Prospect Trubisky looked good in his workout today. His ball had zip, the throws were accurate and his footwork was tight. A lot of these Quarterback Prospects really struggled with a 5-step drop, as most of them rarely played under Center. The workout called for them to throw five different routes a fade, flat, slant, dig, and out. the only deep ball is on the fade. And I was surprised at how many poor deep throws there on that field today. As prognosticated, the Quarterback position is slim pickings this year.
I don't want the G-men to take a WR in the 1st round, but if they do I hope they take PSU's Godwin, who is having a hell of a combine. Having watched this kid in all of his games I can tell you he really came on this year- especially his hands. In 1-on-1 situations he just ends up with the ball, plain and simple. Fast, very natural hands, and big. He'd be the perfect complement to OBJ and in my opinion may wind up being the steal of the draft if he slips past the 1st round. Very smart, hard worker too. And, as a bonus, he's been working with Calvin Johnson to prep for the next level.
The other junior PSU player, Garret Sickels, is undersized for the next level and didn't show me any kind of consistent excellence this year.
Beirut, your guy Goodwin ran a smoking fast 4.42 today and pulled off a 36-inch vert. :what:
Measured 6'-1" & tipped dah scales at 209 lbs. Nice body of work as well!
Good get Bro! =D>
Quote from: Jaime on March 04, 2017, 04:54:03 PM
Beirut, your guy Goodwin ran a smoking fast 4.42 today and pulled off a 36-inch vert. :what:
Measured 6'-1" & tipped dah scales at 209 lbs. Nice body of work as well!
Good get Bro! =D>
He's a stud! I selfishly wish he'd have stayed but it's obvious he's ready for the next level.
Just wait until next year, though....the PSU name I'm sure you already know but others will soon enough- Saquon Barkley. I've watched a lot of college football in my life and Barkley is on a different level than I've ever seen. Behind a subpar line, even. He's a junior next year and he'd be an idiot not to come out early.
Quote from: Jaime on March 03, 2017, 10:58:29 PM
Mike Mayock questions wide receiver Mike Williams ability to get generate separation. He says the reason could be a lack of speed. This dovetails into Williams refusal to run the 40. It's believed that he'll take several weeks to work at improving his 40 speed for his Pro Day workout. A 40 time in the low 4.5's will be huge. If Williams runs a 4.6, he'll be seen as a possession receiver to move the chains that will be fighting for 50-50 Balls, rather than catching balls cleanly with sufficient separation.
Sounds like Laquan Treadwell 2.0, but I think he is more of a Kelvin Benjamin type. I agree, he has to be good at making catches in traffic (which by all accounts, he is) because that is his fate in the NFL with that lack of speed.
I am only starting to get hyped up for the draft which is unusual because usually by this time of the year, I'm up to my ears in researching recruits and chomping at the bit for the draft to get here.
My early intuition has me desiring an offensive weapon. Of all the stuff I've read, and watching the athletes at the combine, there are only two players that have me thinking they are serious offensive game changers: TE - OJ Howard and RB - Christian McCaffrey
I suspect that Howard will be off the board by 23, but I think McCaffrey will still be there if we want. Because of the top heavy number of round 1 grade edge rushers and corner backs in this draft, combined with teams in desperate need of both - it's possible Howard slips to 23, but I have my doubts. Also, because there are so many excellent TE's in this draft class, I believe many teams will settle for a solid TE later in the draft as they will be there on the board like Adam Shaheen, Bucky Hodges, Jake Butt, etc.
Njoku is intriguing, but not sure if he's the real game changer that I think would take the Giants into the next level of offensive play. I have him graded as a late 1st / early 2nd round grade, whereas I have Howard and McCaffrey graded as being in the top half of a round 1 grade (not that I'm some kind of expert or anything).
So give me Howard or McCaffrey....please! McCaffrey is so good at catching balls that we would have no need for Vereen (save some cap space here) and it would be sweet to have a feature back that can play like a short yardage RB or slot TE while having Perkins as a scat back coming that keeps the opposition off balance. It's been a long time since the Giants had a favorable ground game and McCaffrey would give that to us. And on top of that, practically every mock draft I've read has McCaffrey falling into the lap of the *%^!*& Patriots - as if they need another offensive juggernaut!
Personally, if both Howard and McCaffrey were still on the board at 23, I think I would have to go with McCaffrey. That's how much I think of him as a game changer for the the Giants' offense. For what it's worth, that is my 2 centavos
Anybody else thinking of Frank Gifford when they see McCaffrey? I never really saw him play, just what I've read. I have a nasty feeling that he's a guy BB would trade up to get. McCaffrey in a 12 formation with Gronk & whoever would be a nightmare.
McCaffrey has NE Patriots written all over him. If he lasts past #15 don't be surprise if BB makes a move up to get him.
Quote from: JoeP on March 05, 2017, 11:14:01 AM
McCaffrey has NE Patriots written all over him. If he lasts past #15 don't be surprise if BB makes a move up to get him.
People are saying that, but I don't see why. Belichick usually has several running backs, one is usually slow, but tough, and the other is a Vereen type, and he has James White and Dion Lewis in the Vereen role. I don't see it. My bold prediction is Belichick sends Garopolo to Chicago for the #3 pick and takes OJ Howard there.
While I tend to be one that often favors trading down in the first round, this year it seems like an even more pressing desire. I will be curious how the post-Combine mocks shake out and how will be projected as being available for the Giants. I have a feeling need will not be matching talent
Quote from: MP21WAYS2PAY on March 05, 2017, 11:19:45 AM
People are saying that, but I don't see why. Belichick usually has several running backs, one is usually slow, but tough, and the other is a Vereen type, and he has James White and Dion Lewis in the Vereen role. I don't see it. My bold prediction is Belichick sends Garopolo to Chicago for the #3 pick and takes OJ Howard there.
#3 for Howard??? Way too rich a price, imho.
McC can line up anywhere. BB will extract more from him than any other coach.
is a TE from Miss showing any rise in stock from his combine? I forgot the name.
Quote from: President Rick on March 05, 2017, 02:34:27 PM
is a TE from Miss showing any rise in stock from his combine? I forgot the name.
Yes, he had an excellent combine. You can see in both Evan Ingram and McCaffrey that they are good receivers and smooth in their route running. Ingram is only 235 and according to Mayock, is a willing by not a necessarily a good blocker. They showed some film and he has lighting moves for a TE. It makes you question if he is a TE or a big WR.
If you watched the tight ends yesterday, a record 10 were under 4.7 in the 40. Records were also set in the broad and the vertical jumps for TE's. They were saying that this may be one of the most talented if not the most talented group that they have seen.
Evan Ingram seems like an ideal WR - 6'3", run's a 4.42, and has good hands. Too small to be a steady blocker (IMHO) and a bit short for a lumbering TE. Could be the tall WR we've wanted (or at least I've wanted) ever since we lost Plaxico to a self-inflicted gunshot wound...idiot!
Watched the DB workouts today. Some of those guys are just a blur. Seriously doubt he'll be there for us at # 23 overall, but Marshon Lattimore is going to make an incredible Corner.
The DB drills were brilliantly analyzed by Deion Sanders. He broke down the subtleties of the Drills, and then overlayed them into game applications. I think Sanders is a total jerkoff, but when it comes to breaking down DB tape, I sure as heck listen.
Excluding QB & OL positions, I came away from the Combine really impressed. Thinking you OJ Howard fans are in for some good news. There's 15 or so Prospects that likely get graded out above him. plus another handful that'll be overdrafted which may mean, OJ Howard could fall into our laps at # 23 overall. I feel the same way about QB Mitch Trubisky for different reasons. Trubisky is seen as the elite QB that needs the most work. But, reportedly he's got the highest upside. so we can take a couple years to groom the kid. Whereas other Franchises are looking for a day one starter at QB, which Trubisky is not seen as.
Since I'm a fan of cutting ties with jpp, we need to find a replacement. That's why I'm high on Taco Charlton. He's a little inexperienced and a bit raw, but his skill set as a 4-3 base DE is tough to come by, & his upside is impressive. Still , the aforementioned may allow him to fall into our lap as well?
As it stands currently, I totally believe chances r lining up for us to snag a top 15 talent at the 23rd overall selection. And I thought I was stoked before the Combine started...
A general observation about the Patriots. Let's remember that Bill is the Head Coach only. The Pats have a Scouting Dept and a GM. Yet many fans believe that Bill calls all of the shots when it comes to the Draft and Free Agency. Sure he has input- but can we stop the implication that he does everything on that team including inflating/deflating the footballs?
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Getting interesting. Saw post Combine Mocks today had us selecting tight end, safety, OT, & DT.
Didn't see a QB or DE selected as per pre Combine Mocks.
What a difference a weekend makes? :-??
Admittedly it's a week Quarterback pool. But Trubisky had such a superb work out, he shot up the Draft Board. he's top five now. Could be a dead ringer for San Francisco, poor guy. =))
Here is my best guess for needs and selections
TE
Good job bama!
Back when Taco was my first choice and still is. If he's gone then I would snag TE Howard.
I agree about passing on a OL pick at the 23rd overall, but for different reasons. I just don't see any of them worth the 23rd pick in such a strong draft at other positions. Ramczyk, Bolles, & Robinson all have flaws whether it's injury, inexperienced, or just lousy feet. I don't believe our solution is there with them.