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#1
What specific impact are you expecting to see a new line associated with DJ the QB?

I will start by listing the skills an elite QB has and relate those to DJ.  I will conclude with which of the ones he does not have have imo and what impact a better O line will have.

The skills and attributes associated with a top level QB are listed below:

1. Superior arm strength and accuracy

2. Anticipation - pocket presence

3. Anticipation - 6th sense connection with receivers, ability to place ball where only the receiver can get it

4. Learns offense and runs it with poise

5.  Studies, is a tiredless student of the game

6. stays calm in the midst of pressure and makes sound wise decisions

7. Quickly scans the whole field finding open receiver

8. Runs 2 minute offense

9. Leadership on the field, making others better

10. Appreciates and supports team and staff

11. Ability to lead team back to victory in 4th quarter

12. Rises to all occasions in all games, more so in big games

13. Wins championships or at least competes in them

14. Confidence

15. Accountability

16. Intelligence

17. Footwork

18. Decision making

19. Physically tuff

I am sure I missed some and or overlapped in the listing process.

Jones has some of these no doubt, I would say he has:
1. Intelligence
2. Accountability
3. ability to lead team back in 4th
4. Studies, is a student of the game
5. Arm strength to an extent.
6. leadership
7. Physically Tuff

I would say he is lacking in:
1. Accuracy
2. Pocket Presence and 6th sense
3. Running offense with poise
4. Stays calm and makes sound decisions
5. Quickly assess full field
6. Rises to all occasions and does not step up in big games
7. Confidence

My problem is a better O line will not fix many of his bigger issues.

1- Accuracy - Accuracy is considered one of the skills most likely to not improve through a career, you have it or you do not. It can be improved a little based on what you are asked to do but history says it is what it is.

2- pocket presence, Jones has below average pocket presence. hearing ghosts and running when no need exist and not running when he should.

3- Stays calm and makes sound decisions - He gets flustered under pressure and continues to fail to identify critical presnap reads (empty coverage and uncovered pass rushers, overhang pass rushers, hot reads, etc).

4- Runs offense with poise - IMO he does not, he is running a very basic offense with very easy reads and checkdowns. This has occurred through multiple coaches too, he runs an offense with training wheels built into it to cover up the line mostly.  That is a scary fact about what different coaching staffs think he is capable of handling.

5-Quickly assesses field- IMO he does not.  He does not do this well presnap or post snap often missing the open receiver.

6- Aside from the Vikings playoff game he typically does not rise up in all games.  To be fair to Jones at times he has been damn near perfect but too few for a 5th year player.

7- Confidence - IMO the way he reverts back to his bad habits when under pressure shows a lack of confidence and poise.


So my question is what skills do you feel Jones is currently not posing or excelling with that will be improved with better line play?  Or will better line play simply allow a better running game and the team will be better, thus buffering against Jones's shortcomings.

I will go first:

I can see the accuracy slightly improving associated with being able to make better reads and setting his body for the throws (not being on the run). But nothing major. He is missing throws now with no pressure.

I do not see his pocket presence increasing for him.  He simply is too smart for his own good and has anxiety and fears failure.

The biggest issue for me right now is the poor mental side to DJ's game.  A better line will ultimately reduce the times he is asked to deal with pressure situations that wear on a QB's mental state and that is a big deal no doubt but only against average competition.  Top defenses are going to bring it and he will need the mental skills to play the chess match.  The skills he has failed to display to date, as we saw last year vs Philli.
Confidence can certainly be increased with more and more successful repetitions.  I see the Oline helping with this, but will it last in games that matter most?

Ultimately, getting to the question, will a better line simply make the team better with DJ being a more functional QB (2022-2023)?
Or will a better line allow DJ to develop into an elite QB?

In short I see Jones's being a better QB behind an average to above average line and ultimately the Giants offense being better and leading to more wins against the lower 2/3rds - 3/4's of the league's teams. But I do not see him excelling with the traits that will help him win against the best defenses in the toughest of games. I simply do not see an improved O line allowing for Jones to start excelling at the critical traits carried in an elite QB.

Correct or not, and I am not implying I am correct, but that is how I am looking at Jones as the QB of the Giants when I give me 2 cents on Jones.

And so we are all clear I think the Oline is embarrassingly horrible, nothing short of a complete disgrace.

I just see both issues existing simultaneously, at this point a correlation and not causation.
#3
everyone renewed via Yahoo atuo renew but lets RSVP so we are positive

So far we have:
DAboll Breakers,
Ruthless Redneck,
Mbigblue,
South Jersey Devils, 
Jersey Geriatric,
W,  (2002 2nd Place)
Arnies Army.


Still waiting on:
GMO11
Little dog (2022 3rd Place)
MP21
Cid's
Vandelay (l2022 1st Place)
Doc's Gmen
Project Mayhem


Please respond to this thread so we can 
#4
Chalk Talk / Mojo's Corner - 2023 Camp Reports
July 26, 2023, 10:30:29 AM
In Honor of Mojo and his excellent camp reports we once again create the 2023 Camp Report Thread
#5
The Front Porch / Goals for Gurney
May 16, 2023, 02:27:10 PM
To All,

On Friday at 7:30 am, one of my hockey players on a team I am an assistant coach on, was hit by a truck and killed while waiting to enter her school bus.

Evelyn was a friend and teammate to my youngest son and a person I simply thought the world of. The nicest kid, whose personality was infectious, her smile and laughter was something that would put a smile on anyone's face.  Upon entering a room and seeing here for the first time that day she would run up to me and give me a giant hug. One of my favorites.

Her parents Brian an EMT and Missy an ER Nurse are the nicest, highest quality people you could ever ask to meet. We have known them for 6 or 7 years.  Hockey is a long all in sport, we see them 3 nights a week and the majority of Saturday and Sundays at the rink for 8-9 months a year. WE played on Spring teams together and traveling to multiple states.

This tragedy has simply crushed our community.

In the wake of this horrible nightmare, I am trying to help in the fundraising initiative for a scholarship and much needed new ice rink in her honor.

I wanted to post the link to her fundraising initiative started by her friends.

Fundraiser for Brian Gurney by Ellie Vielhuber : Goals For Gurney (gofundme.com)


In advance thank you
#6
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/20/giants-joe-schoen-was-always-transparent-about-his-approach-to-wrs/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0so1atU-qPuNz31B3wo-PKHt9JOW2JNMQZJanYW9Ay4OBfN8LElej2-Eg&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

"I think we want to continue to build the entire team. Again, I know a number one wide receiver can be important, but there's some number one wide receivers that are home right now," Schoen said. "You can go through this past weekend; you can go through a couple of weekends ago in the playoffs. A number one receiver doesn't guarantee you anything.

]"I think it's important that we continue to build the team, and there's multiple positions where we want to upgrade throughout the offseason. So, yeah, I'd love to have a number one wide receiver. But we've got to place value on everything we do, and if it makes sense, that's something we'll look to do."
#7
Chalk Talk / MoJo's Corner (2021 Camp Reports)
July 28, 2021, 02:48:53 PM
Our annual tribute to Mojo40, the man whose training camp reports where appreciated by so many.
#8
Chalk Talk / Mojo's Corner (2019 Camp Reports)
July 25, 2019, 02:50:38 PM
(2019 Camp Reports)
#9
BBH Baseball Board / Question for LEnn
July 30, 2016, 09:15:57 PM
2 outs man on third

Hit to SS

Fields ground ball, throws to first base.  First baseman catches the ball.

Ump calls third out.
Defensive Players leave field.

offensive coach tells guy on third to run home.

Opposing coach appeals play at first.
Ump reverses out at first and declares runner on third
safe, run counts . 




Can the runner on third count even though the third out was declared
#10
BBH Baseball Board / Thank You to lenn
July 17, 2016, 12:57:31 AM
I just want to thank you for the knowledge passed down from your baseball quizzes .

Last night in the state little league tournament I had a guy on second with 1 out.

Ball was hit to deep center .

Guy on second goes home, batter gets a triple.

Other team starts to appeal, if runner missed third.

Before the pitcher throws  to third , I sent the runner on third home.  The pitcher took the bait , chased him and threw home.

The catcher catches the ball and puts the tag on him, The runner was out. 

The other team then went back and appealed if the original runner touched third.   The umpire called him out .

I stated that the play was relaxed, as such, the appeal had to occur before the next pitch, play or attempted play.
Play was suspended ,The ump called the question into the Indianapolis office.

Ump comes back , declares the original runner out at home and denies the appeal ; as a result, the run stands and we win the game.


A great play I learned from you , it might have taken over a decade to use it but it was awesome.


Thank you
Chris
#11
BBH Baseball Board / 54 years ago today was.....
December 01, 2011, 01:48:03 PM
the day the yankees shipped Harry Bird, Jim McDonald, Willy Miranda, Hal Smith, Gus Triandos, Gene Woodling, Bill Miller, Kal Segrist, Don Leppert and Ted Del Guercio to Baltimore in exchange for Billy Hunter, Bob Turley, Mike Blyzjka, Darrell Johnson, Jim Fridley, Duck Kryoski and Don Larsen completeing the largest trade in baseball history (i think).




http://yankees.mlb.com/news/wall/article.jsp?content_id=26068962
#12
The Front Porch / Just a joke
November 02, 2007, 11:44:05 AM
 
Maybe It will make you smile or even better laugh.


A little boy goes to his father and asks "Daddy, how was I born?"
The father answers: "Well son, I guess one day you will need to find out anyway!
Your Mom and I first got together in a chat room on Yahoo.
Then I set up a date via e-mail with your Mom and we met at a cyber-cafe.
We sneaked into a secluded room, where your mother agreed to a download from my hard drive.
As soon as I was ready to upload, we discovered that neither one of us had used a firewall, and since it was too late to hit the delete button, nine months later
a little Pop-Up appeared that said:
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