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#526
Quote from: sxdxca38 on February 19, 2024, 09:41:55 PMEd and to all,

I've noticed that you watched the Dallas game again just like I did, so this may be of some interest to you.

Here are the highlights of the Seahawks game from week 4, and I wanted you and anyone else who may be interested to see three of the sacks DJ takes in that game, so they can see the pressure he was under.

The time stamps to see them are at the 1:50 mark, 2:41 mark, and finally 7:07 mark.

He was sacked a total of six times in that game, let me know what you think? and if the O line bears any responsibility for his performance?

Video down below


The first sack it was 5 on 5 as the TE was not blocking but going out and the RB was going for a swing pass as he was set right side too but that edge had to cover him. It was clear that in Zone the Safety didn't hide he was blitzing pre-Snap. Jones should have moved the RB and it looks like it was Breda to the left side to pick him up and then hit the hot read vacated in the coverage. At that point the TE should have stayed in to block. There was 17 seconds on the clock so there was plenty of time. DJ never saw it coming but was fixed on the Swing Pass and the TE on the right side. This was all DJ's credit for the sack.
#527
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 19, 2024, 07:32:45 PMDJ rolls to the sideline and throws an interception, the a near interception and a missed FG. Then a dropped pass, DJ not seeing his checkdowns taking sacks and yada yada yada, it's 26-0 at halftime.
The rest of this game was more mistakes and fumbles that broke for Dallas and their pass rush dominating the Giants O line killing DJ although there were times Jones would roll right to avoid pressure instead of stepping up in the pocket. Daboll and Kafka had no plan to offset that rush trailing by five scores. This was a total team loss. Loss of momentum and a head killer to start the season. 
#528
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 19, 2024, 07:17:23 PMDallas drives for a FG and then Jones completes a pass to Barkley who takes a bit, coughs up the ball, popping it up for a pick 6 and just like that, it's 16-0. Can't make this s#it up.
DJ rolls to the sideline and throws an interception, the a near interception and a missed FG. Then a dropped pass, DJ not seeing his checkdowns taking sacks and yada yada yada, it's 26-0 at halftime.
#529
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 19, 2024, 07:10:49 PMWhat was sick about that opening game against Dallas, was that there was all this hope and enthusiasm as the first drive of the game saw the Giants moving the ball with ease, driven off of Barkley and Jones legs. Third and two at the Dallas 8 yard line and then the Football gods smite the Giants. A false start and then a bad snap and it's time to bring on the FG Unit. And then the killer. A blocked punt returned for a TD.

I remember thinking, this season isn't going to go the way it did last year.
Dallas drives for a FG and then Jones completes a pass to Barkley who takes a bit, coughs up the ball, popping it up for a pick 6 and just like that, it's 16-0. Can't make this s#it up.
#530
What was sick about that opening game against Dallas, was that there was all this hope and enthusiasm as the first drive of the game saw the Giants moving the ball with ease, driven off of Barkley and Jones legs. Third and two at the Dallas 8 yard line and then the Football gods smite the Giants. A false start and then a bad snap and it's time to bring on the FG Unit. And then the killer. A blocked punt returned for a TD.

I remember thinking, this season isn't going to go the way it did last year.
#531
The Front Porch / Re: NYT "Connections" Game
February 19, 2024, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: Bill Brown on February 19, 2024, 09:30:53 AMFirst time I  tried this game. So not sure if I  did good or not.

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Very good for your first time, Bill.
#532
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 19, 2024, 11:37:22 AMEd: I understand, but switch Kelce w/either of our TE's & then we can make comparisons between Mahomes & Jones.

It's always a combination of a lot of factors, as you know, and the Giants just don't have a spark plug.

But even with a spark plug, the OL performance to start last year would have negated a spark plug.

Bob
Bob, you have to look at the entire picture, so to that point I agree but, Kelce performs because Mahomes performs. The KC Offense moves the ball also due to scheme and protections. We have to put Daboll and Kafka in the equations also, compared to Reid. So many times Jalin Hyatt was open and he never got the ball by all three QB's. I wonder how Slayton would have faired on KC. Likely a 1000 yard Receiver. See the stats I produced to Rich.
#533
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 19, 2024, 10:49:54 AMYou need to look at both stats, both the time to pressure and the percent pressure

From the stats off of the same site.
#534
This tells a different story:

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

Two tenths of a second. Does it matter that much in the difference between Mahomes and Jones, Tua or Burrow? Time to pressure or sack for Taylor and Jones identical.

I guess it all depends on how you agree with it and the narrative you're pushing.
#535
Quote from: sxdxca38 on February 18, 2024, 11:20:32 PMI know many here want QB prospects Williams, Mcdaniels and Maye, and I understand, and I get it, as it would be nice get one of them, but realistically the Giants have little to no chance at any of them.

After watching the first 6 games, the O-line was being manhandled and DJ had no time and no shot. If you want to see a good example of this, go and rewatch the Seahawks game, he literally had to play perfect, ball coming out in 2 seconds or less, and even then, it would have been extremely difficult to win. This was noted by the announcers, Aikman and Buck.

The first five out of six opponents were:
 
A) Cowboys - #5 defense
B) 49ers - #3 defense
C) Seahawks
D) Dolphins
E) Bills - #4 defense (Tyrod started)

The team was 1-5 at this point, as they faced a buzzsaw the first 6 games of the season. DJ throws a good ball, has a strong arm, and is accurate enough to win with.

And for those saying Tyrod was better, he put up a whopping 9 points against the Bills defense, and 14 points against the terrible 4-13 Commanders the following week, so he isn't the long-term answer either.

I also do not think panicking and picking a new QB at 6 just because you need one is the right answer either, that just makes things worse, especially if you get it wrong.

So here is my recommendation, feel free to agree or disagree with this, but this is what I would do.

With the first 3 picks use them on a #1 WR and beef up the O line with the other two picks.

Since DJ is already under contract for the 2024 season, let him play it out and see what he can do when you give him more time, so he can throw some deeper passes. You may actually be surprised that the DJ of 2022 comes back, and him and the team performs well next season, but let's just see.

If they are terrible again, then at that point you can unload the DJ contract, and then look at new QB's in the following seasons 2025-2026 without having to give away the farm for one of them.

Feel free to agree or disagree, but that is what I would do, curious your thoughts?
It was a brutal start of a schedule. The Giants seems totally unprepared and not on the same level as Dallas. We figured going in that Seattle would be a winnable game. I was surprised to win the Cards game after the abysmal start.

Since almost everyone has their radar on the QB class it's not a bad idea to scout our own QB, since it's an out year coming in his contract.

Keep in mind that DJ was training and practicing all preseason with the ones to be the starter. Tyrod was tossed in with much less preparation.

Reviewing your recommendations, a few things come to mind.

Drafting OLine plug and play starters doesn't usually work out immediately and they can take a year to develop. For the long term it could be a solution but they don't always work out.

If the OLine and DJ have the same breakdowns, will drafting another Receiver help in evaluating DJ?

If DJ fails to work out, what is the plan for the rest if the 2024 season and 2025. That QB Class of 2025 at this point looks weak and lacks depth with one exception. Does that put the Franchise back another three years? What happens to Schoen and Daboll at that point? Does it become another do over?

That said, I'm going to take you up on 2023 film review of the Offense and make some comparisons. Try to determine if injuries created challenging situations for TT and Tommy or if things settled down where, DJ would have had improved performance if he had stayed healthy.

Since we are talking DJ and Health, is that any concern for you? When do you think he comes back to start? Will his latest injury diminish his ability to escape pressure and to use his legs to gain yards? Who would you bring in as a backup QB? A potential starter and pay the price or run with Tommy and put that money toward a veteran and proven Guard?

Thanks for the effort and your perspective. 
#536
The Front Porch / Re: NYT "Connections" Game
February 19, 2024, 07:40:57 AM
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#538
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Anyone want Pugh back?
February 18, 2024, 04:21:25 PM
To retire a Giant? Yes. To play, he's past his prime and choice.
#539
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Pressure to sack rate %
February 18, 2024, 02:09:07 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 18, 2024, 01:52:44 PMEd,

Many (including myself) favor

aDoT: Average Depth of Target

Rather than Y/A

Here is the ADOT for the top prospects


Maye 11.0
Penix 10.7
Daniels 10.5
McCarthy 9.4
Williams 9.2
Bo Nix 6.8
It doesn't take into account completion % of that target. Although I would have bet that Maye would lead that metric.
#540
Quote from: Philosophers on February 18, 2024, 10:44:55 AMIf Jalin Hyatt improves his route running, can he be WR1 for the Giants?

JMS needs to get much stronger.  NFL strong.  He got bounced around too much.

Evan Neal trained off season last year with I think Willie Anderson and it did not help.  When a 1st round player does not pan out the Eagles move on.  Giants need to learn that otherwise 2024 will be 2023.


I wonder how Neal would have faired with the Eagles Oline coach...

JMS should be on a serious weight training off season program.

I absolutely believe Jalin Hyatt can be a number one Receiver. I like him and he seems like a good kid.