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What happens if Davis Webb plays lights out and the Giants Offense puts up the best show of the season? Not very likely but if that happens, for sure Daboll won't play him in the playoffs but will that cause more talk and cause a controversy?

Does Daboll believe Webb gives them the best chance to win?

Does Daboll think Webb can be the backup next year and trade Tyrod Taylor who's got a reasonable contract to a team looking for an interim Starting QB?

Would Webb's performance have an effect on the contract negotiations with Daniel Jones?

Was there some kind of falling out between Taylor and Daboll? Does anyone really buy the story that he's rewarding Webb for sticking with the team? Instead of starting his backup QB who really does deserve the start?

John Madden's message to Tom Coughlin.

https://twitter.com/NYGFansOnline/status/1608631119439892482?

Post your ranking.

We've been saying for weeks now and Bobby Skinner has too. It's do or die season. No doubt who the best LG is and who's the best Center.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ff4_gWwBTUQ?

This season we have seen a shift in scoring per game and how both Defenses and Offenses have made changes to take advantage of their opponents. Defenses have gotten faster in the Secondary and more Athletic and Powerful on the LOS. This has been an evolution over the past several years and Offenses have focused on defeating the pass rush by successful teams with shorter passes and a quicker QB release. This season we have seen a shift from a passing League to a more balanced Run/Pass Game. Brian Daboll was on the cutting edge of this employing an Offense that cut down on turnovers and mistakes that can alter the course of a game, shorter and safer Pass Attempts and a strong Rushing Attack to complement his passing game. It was evident from as early as Training Camp that the focus was shifting and concentrating more on Offensive Run Blocking. 

Comparing 2022 to 2021 the average points scored per game is almost a point less on a per game basis. Rushing Yards Per Game increased by over 5 Yards per Game. Passing Yards Per Game have decreased by 7.73 yards per game. Touchdowns Per Game have decreased in both Passing and Rushing showing a shift in less dominant Offenses and more effective Defenses who have become more sophisticated in disguising coverages and blitz packages and adopted Role Players for certain down and distance situations. Defenses have also employed more rotational roles and Coaches have concentrated more on Special Teams coverage and punting/kicking for field position and for points in longer yardage situations.

I would encourage anyone to check the math to verify my premise. Where it made sense, I factored in the one less game this week by Buffalo and Cincinnati by including a one game average.

Thoughts? 

Points scored per game
2022- 11254.1/16/32= 21.98 PPG (averaging in Buffalo and Cinn. one game).
2021- 12502/17/32= 22.982PPG

Rushing YPG
2022- 6201.2 /16/32= 125.82 YPG Rushing
(include Buff and Cinn. one game average)
2021- 62694 /17-32= 115.25 YPG Rushing

Passing YPG
2022- 121010.1 /16/32= 236.35 PYPG (Inc. Buff and Cinn. 1 gm avg.)
2021- 132780 /17/32= 244.080 PYPG

Year-  TDPG Pass          TDPG Rush
2022   1.39               .910
2021   1.54               .928

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-points-scored-in-nfl-team-2022

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-points-scored-in-nfl-team-2021

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-rushing-yards-in-nfl-team-2022

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-rushing-yards-in-nfl-team-2021

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-passing-yards-in-nfl-team-2022

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-passing-yards-in-nfl-team-2021

CPR administered with ambulance on the field

https://twitter.com/realmattcouch/status/1610095803653304322?

king of the bronx- 5th
BobinPA- Bob- 6th
Somersjoe- Frank- 7th
Giant Obsession- Mike- 8th
DukeAZ- Duke- 9th
The Chief- 9th
BigBlueIowa- 12th
jerseyguy- Kenny- 14th
bedl365- Evan- Jan 16th
Chris- 17th
Weeze- John 19th
nosebleed_section- Matthew- 22nd
Painter- Larry- 25th
mbigblue- Frederic- 26th

Happy Birthday! 

Two of the league's powerhouses go at it with huge implications.

Buffalo at Cincinnati

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-daily-sweat-the-stakes-are-enormous-for-bills-vs-bengals-143216023.html

I thought it was a very exciting game. Najee Harris left nothing on the field and Pickett showed great poise and guts in that comeback win for the Steelers. (Especially for a guy with small hands )

Make sound player decisions and Coach rebuild to the playoffs and just like that, the Free Agency Market will take notice and the better quality players will think... "hey, I wanna be a part of that!"

May Good Health and Happiness be your companion in the coming New Year!

Go Giants!

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/28/new-york-giants-place-ol-shane-lemieux-injured-reserve-toe/?

This will serve as a final warning for these folks and their inappropriate, inflammatory, confrontational and baiting tactics. There were dozens of deleted posts and a closed topic. We have no problem with less content and less members to improve the optics and civil discourse of the forum.

It is a position where you may not know until the Starter goes down. This year several backups had playing time.

The fumble by Bellinger.
The Daniel Jones Interception.
The blocked punt.
Calling an all out blitz that led to a reception and a 61 yard FG.

Exciting game though and very winnable. Some nice Performances. Just fell short after a comeback to tie the game.

These two may face each other again.

Enjoy the holiday weekend and may the Giants add to our Yuletide joy!

Although let's hope the Mets don't set the wildcard example. Imagine winning 101 games and crapping out.

@bighitterdalama
@MightyGiants

Remember the last game of the 2018 Season? We froze our asses off.

In the last three games Dallas faces the Eagles, the Titans who are trying to hold off the Jags and then Washington who will be playing for their season. Can the Giants run the table and surprise everyone while taking over second place?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/06/well/live/vitamin-d-deficiency-winter.html?

If you live in a part of the country where winters are cold and gray, it's smart to think about how you'll get vitamin D — often called the sunshine vitamin — over the next several months.

Vitamin D is synthesized in the skin after exposure to the sun's ultraviolet B rays, and is crucial for calcium absorption and the maintenance of strong, healthy bones, said Julie Stefanski, a registered dietitian nutritionist and spokeswoman for the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics. Deficiencies, which are common worldwide, can cause soft, weak and brittle bones, leading to fractures. Your vitamin D status can also play a role in other aspects of health including inflammation, autoimmune disease risk, heart health and cognitive function.

Most healthy people with fair skin can typically produce enough vitamin D during the summer by exposing their faces, arms and legs to sunlight for about five to 10 minutes several times per week during midday, when the sun is highest and its UVB rays are most powerful, said Antony Young, an emeritus professor of experimental photobiology at the St. John's Institute of Dermatology at King's College London, via email. People who have more melanin, or darker pigmentation, in their skin need longer periods in the sun — in some cases 2.5 to three times as much, though it depends on your skin tone — because melanin reduces vitamin D synthesis....

As we enter the Holiday Season this weekend with Hanukkah, I want to share these thoughts by Lenn about the Christmas Spirit and how it moved me. It reminded me that it's the season to have kindness in our hearts and good will to all.

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Any separate threads opened will be deleted. Any threads hijacked to a Daniel Jones discussion, will be deleted or the thread locked.

The 29th worst team in the league season to date. Field position for the Eagles was a Giant Killer.

In Today's N.F.L., Good Backups Pay Off (and Are Getting Paid)
Backup quarterbacks have been thrust into action at a high rate this season. A handful are keeping their playoff-bound teams afloat.

Rookie quarterback Brock Purdy led the 49ers to a win over the Dolphins last week after Jimmy Garoppolo broke his foot in the first quarter.

Credit...Lachlan Cunningham/Associated Press
Joe Drape
By Joe Drape
Dec. 10, 2022

Before last Sunday, backup quarterbacks Tyler Huntley and Brock Purdy were mostly known by their nicknames, if they were known at all. Huntley's Ravens teammates called him "Snoop" because of his resemblance to the rapper Snoop Dogg. Purdy, drafted with the 262nd pick in April, was "Mr. Irrelevant."

No more.

Huntley replaced Lamar Jackson, who injured his knee, and led Baltimore to a come-from-behind 10-9 victory against Denver, securing the win with a 2-yard touchdown run on the game's final drive.

Purdy replaced Jimmy Garoppolo, who broke his foot on the 49ers' opening drive, and powered San Francisco to a 33-17 victory over the Miami Dolphins.

Both unlikely heroes are now essential to their playoff-bound teams, joining the ranks of a wave of backup passers who have kept their teams afloat after the starters went down. So far this season, 22 quarterbacks who were not first-string passers on opening day have started N.F.L. games, according to Pro Football Reference. That's the most through the first 13 weeks of a season since 2007, which saw the same number of backups starting.

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In Dallas, Cooper Rush was 4-1 as a starter after Dak Prescott fractured his thumb in Week 1. In Washington, Taylor Heinicke is 5-1-1 since Carson Wentz injured a finger. The emergence of such second-teamers confirmed what Hall of Fame Coach Joe Gibb once said: "The second most important person on the team is the backup quarterback."

Backup quarterbacks have been thrust into action in an era of enhanced pass rush and as starting quarterbacks are increasingly called upon to leave the pocket to make plays. The most important player on a football team is also the most vulnerable, especially in a 17-game season.

In an instant, a backup goes from a helmetless sideline bystander to the focal point of an offense. What attributes prepare a player for that kind of whirlwind? Skills that can be improved, such as the ability to analyze the defensive tendencies of 17 opposing teams, along with intangibles that cannot be taught, like the poise and leadership to inspire teammates. Perhaps most importantly, backups need to keep their egos in check for weeks, seasons or even years and suddenly turn on the confidence to take over at a moment's notice.

Jets Coach Robert Saleh, who has called on backups Mike White and Joe Flacco this season to keep the team in playoff contention, said the difference in talent among 98 percent of the N.F.L.'s players is negligible. Eliminate the elite tier of players — the Aaron Donalds and Aaron Rodgerses of the world — and "the difference between player A and player Z" on his roster is the opportunity they get to take the field.

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"You're looking for guys who feel great about stepping on the field and not skipping a beat when their time comes."

There's little in the course of a season that prepares a backup for those moments. Before Sunday, Purdy said he spent most of a given week in the film room or running the 49ers' scout team — mimicking the offense of the team's next opponent. Repetitions with the starting offense were mostly nonexistent.

Instead, after each practice, Purdy met with the quarterbacks coach Brian Griese and walked through every play that was run at practice.

But in a game, "I just visualize what I've been doing at practice and rolling, it's live, I'm going to get hit, there's going to be contact going on, but I just get to go out there and just be efficient.

As their value to their teams rises, so too do backups' salaries. Huntley, who went undrafted out of Utah in 2020, is playing for the Ravens on a 1-year deal for $895,000. He earned it by replacing an injured Jackson for four games last season. (Jackson, who has a sprained posterior cruciate ligament, is expected to return this year, but Huntley will likely start Sunday against the Steelers.)

Purdy is in the first year of a four-year rookie contract worth $3.7 million, or about $934,000 annually.

Both are near the bottom of the pay scale for backups, a market that Chris Cabott, the agent for Rush and Heinicke, said is growing. "As more of these quarterbacks are getting opportunities, and the salary cap continues to grow, we are close, maybe months away from an eight-figure salary for some backups," Cabott said.

Aside from Garoppolo, who signed a base deal of $6.5 million before the season to play behind Trey Lance, the three best-paid backups in the league are Miami's Teddy Bridgewater ($6.5 million annually), Buffalo's Case Keenum ($6 million) and the Giants' Tyrod Taylor ($5.5 million). And for good reason: The three have spent nearly 30 years combined in the league and have won 88 total games as starters.

Bridgewater took Minnesota to the playoffs in 2015 and made the Pro Bowl. In 2017, Keenum led the Vikings to the N.F.C. title game. Taylor made the Pro Bowl in 2015 and in 2017 led the Bills to their first playoff berth in 18 years.

Other backups have similarly stood out this year. Without Rush's early-season steady play, the Cowboys would not be 9-3, nor would Washington (7-5-1) still be in playoff contention without Heinicke. Commandeers Coach Ron Rivera said Heinicke would remain the starter ever after Wentz was cleared to play.

In the Seahawks' Geno Smith, backup quarterbacks have their patron saint. Smith started his first two seasons in the league for the Jets; after an injury, he was relegated to the Jets' bench for two seasons. Smith then spent the next four years as a well-traveled second-teamer. He backed up Eli Manning for the Giants, Philip Rivers for the Chargers and Russell Wilson for the Seahawks.

When Seattle traded Wilson to Denver this off-season, Smith got a shot to show that it was time well-spent.

"All three of them are Hall of Fame quarterbacks in my opinion," Smith said. "And being in the room with those guys and just learning football, being in different football systems, being around different coordinators, I was able to gain a ton of knowledge."

It has paid off. Smith leads the league in completion percentage (72.7), and his passer rating of 108.7 is second only to Tua Tagovailoa of the Dolphins. He has thrown 22 touchdowns and has the Seahawks (7-5) a game behind the 49ers for first place in the N.F.C. West.

As a result, Smith's $3.5 million salary is likely to grow when his contract is up at the end of the season.

"I understand that there has been a gap, but I've never lost confidence in my ability or the things that I can do on the field," he said. "I'm not star-struck or anything by this opportunity. I've been working my butt off."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/10/sports/football/nfl-backup-qbs.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2022-nfl-week-14-qb-power-rankings-joe-burrow-jalen-hurts-just-behind-patrick-mahomes-jared-goff-on-rise/

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35147423/2022-nfl-week-14-power-rankings-1-32-poll-team-stats?platform=amp

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/06/pfts-week-14-2022-nfl-power-rankings/amp/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/nfl-power-rankings-bills-cowboys-chiefs-bengals-dolphins-week-14/c5nfoxomkzk1dzhpl1ahntoe

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/nfl-power-rankings-week-14-2022-nfl-season

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10057465-2022-br-nfl-power-rankings-where-does-every-team-stand-entering-week-14.amp.html

@Slugsy-Narrows do you hunt Bear?

https://patch.com/new-jersey/across-nj/nj-bear-hunt-opens-after-court-sides-state

Highlighted, Pass, Run, Fumble and Total Offense. The biggest surprises for me are Dalton and Brissett and Mac Jones.

Thoughts and observations?

I don't even want to post a laundry list because it would be too long. The one killer was the series where they threw two back to back deep passes late in the 4th. Playing to overtime and playing for a tie.