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#1081
Big Blue Huddle / Re: The Rebuild Finally Begins
March 12, 2024, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 12, 2024, 08:19:03 AMWill preface my post by saying that I am uncharacteristically pessimistic right now.  So apologies for raining on the optimism parade.

My first thought about this thread is that I cannot recall a "rebuild" ever starting with a spending spree on the 1st day of FA.  I realize there was only one big money contract and we haven't seen any of the contracts full details. 

Burns from what I have seen looks like a good pass rusher who is a average run defender and mediocre tackler.  The projection involved to make his contract in line with his performance feels to me just like the Olivier Vernon signing in 2016.  A young player who has pretty good numbers but is coming into his prime and will be better with the Giants than he was with his previous team.  Vernon wasn't bad, but I seem to recall people couldn't wait to get rid of his contract in a couple of years after he was signed. 

One of my biggest fears this offseason after the departure of Wink was that the Giants would now need to re-tool the defense to make the new system work.  A 2nd round pick for a very good pass rusher is not a big price, but when coupled with one of the biggest contracts ever given to a DE, that's a lot.  Hopefully Deonte Banks and most of the secondary are a scheme fit as well as the LBs (I doubt it though). 

Keep in mind this team now has over 50 million/year invested in two players on the DL.  With Thibodeaux added in with his rookie deal its over 60 million/year in 3 players on the DL.  I think the game is won and lost in the trenches, just have a hard time thinking its a good idea to invest 25% of the cap in 3 guys on the same unit.

The guards that were signed seemed to have good pass blocking ratings and much weaker run blocking ratings.  The money invested was not huge (especially when you look at other guards signed yesterday) and I think its nice to see a theme of trying to develop one thing the unit is good at.  One of the problems of the past is that there was a hodge podge of good zone blocker vs good man to man vs good in pass pro but not good in run blocking. Are either of these two guards thought to be much better than Glowinski was when he was signed?  I'll assume they both fit what the new OL coach wants.

These moves tell me the plan is to move forward with Jones and try to get him better blocking to pass the ball.  I am very much anticipating that a WR is drafted at #6 to give Jones a difference maker.  I would also expect the 2nd round to be used on offense considering the investment made on defense already.

My conclusion thus far is that Schoen spent money on day 1 of FA because he feels pressure to make immediate improvements not start a rebuild.  Jones will need to show he can really be a valuable pocket passer as he will no longer have the run game to lean on.  It will likely be used more like it has been in Buffalo. 

We'll see how the rest of the offseason goes and hopefully the moves they have made will be successful. 

Well done.

Regarding the spending spree, I heard on Talkin Giants the Giants spent $200 million yesterday, which led all teams.  As you say, that is most definitely not how traditional rebuilds are done
#1082
I will add one more observation.   Schoen is clearly focusing his resources in the trenches now.  Instead of retaining his RB and S he invested his efforts in the O-line (not great resources but he made an effort) and the D-line (in the form of Edge Brian Burns).   So one trend is Schoen is going inside to out, not vice versa.
#1083
Big Blue Huddle / This season the RBs get paid
March 12, 2024, 08:48:54 AM
It wasn't really a surprise.  For some reason, the pundits have yet to grasp (at least in large numbers) the relationships between the strengths of the draft and the free-agent market.   Last year, the draft was loaded with quality RBs, so no one spent on a veteran. This year's RB draft class is weak so the RBs are getting paid.

#1084
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Burns official!!
March 12, 2024, 08:40:36 AM
#1088
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Joe Mixon
March 12, 2024, 08:32:40 AM
Quote from: kingm56 on March 12, 2024, 07:37:53 AMTo what end?  Is Mixon going to help the Giants make a deep playoff/SB run?  I doubt it; thus, I'd recommend the Giants avoid spending significant capital on any player over 26, who won't be on the team in 2-to-4 years, when they could reasonably be competitive. I prefer the use their limited resources on players who fit that category; obviously, this doesn't include 1-to-2 year low salary players, which are needed to fill-out rosters.

The Giants only have 6 picks in the upcoming draft with still a ton of needs.   There is no guarantee they will be able to draft a quality RB (especially as the draft is not rich in them).  So the Giants are still in the market for another RB, in my opinion.

Believe it or not, older veteran RBs often prove to be bargains.   Signing RBs coming of their rookie contracts tend to pay for past performance.   Signing slightly older RBs tend to cost about how they perform
#1089
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Burns official!!
March 12, 2024, 08:28:57 AM
Former GM Jeff Diamond grades the trade:


GIANTS ACQUIRE BURNS, SIGN HIM TO $150M DEAL
TRADE TERMS: BURNS FOR GIANTS' 2024 SECOND-, FIFTH-ROUND PICKS
CONTRACT TERMS: FIVE YEARS, $150 MILLION ($87.5 MILLION GUARANTEED)
The Carolina Panthers traded their 2019 first-round pick and top pass rusher to the New York Giants. For the G-Men, they capitalized on the opportunity to acquire a two-time Pro Bowl edge rusher who is only 25 years old without giving up a first-round pick.

The Giants are quickly signing Brian Burns to a five-year, $150 million contract with $87.5 million guaranteed after Burns could not get a long-term deal done in Carolina. Burns becomes the second-highest paid edge rusher behind Nick Bosa.  Burns played last season for $16 million on his fifth-year option after not being extended by the Panthers, who declined trade offers from the Rams among other teams over the last two years. The Panthers placed the franchise tag on Burns last week so he will get a big raise from the $24 million, one-year tender.

Burns has 46 career sacks. His production dropped a bit last season from career-highs in 2022 of 12.5 sacks, 22 QB hits, 63 tackles and 17 tackles-for-loss to eight sacks, 18 QB hits, 50 tackles and 16 tackles-for-loss. His departure creates a major hole in the Panthers' defense that ranked fourth last season but clears $24 million in cap room for the Panthers to make other moves.

The Giants now have an excellent pass rushing duo with first-rounders Burns and third-year edge rusher Kayvon Thibodeaux (11.5 sacks last season). They'll lead the effort to improve the pass rush that generated only 34 sacks in 2023 to rank 29th.

GIANTS GRADE: A-
PANTHERS GRADE: D

https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-nfl-free-agency-report-card-grades-for-every-signing-trade-2/
#1090
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Darious Williams chooses Rams
March 12, 2024, 08:25:57 AM
At this point, I think the Giants go with an older perhaps cheaper option.  There seems to still be plenty of veteran CBs available


https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2024CB.php
#1091
@londonblue

Excellent summary  =D> Just one update, CB DW signed elsewhere


Even having slept on it and listened to two podcasts on the subject, I am still at a loss in terms of understanding what the Giants are thinking in terms of overall vision and strategy.  The heavy spending suggests that perhaps they see a big cap reduction in booting DJ from their roster in the future.  On the other hand, the spending of draft capital limits their ability to ensure they get a QB prospect they want.

Perhaps a lesser QB like Rattler or Pratt is in the team's future.

Schoen continues the Giant's trend of having one foot in the rebuild camp and the other foot in the win now camp.  I am not sure that success is possible with this approach.
#1092
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 12, 2024, 01:31:54 AMa rare jones fan spotted

I am curious: are you trying to make yourself the most disliked person on the forum, or is this just coming naturally to you?

Usually, successful newcomers make an effort to fit in and get along with the people they plan on talking football with.

#1095
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Burns official!!
March 11, 2024, 07:58:30 PM
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 07:51:14 PMIf Burns is a complimentary edge guy being paid as 2nd best DLine men, what does that make Kayvon?


Schoen is awful at contracts.

https://x.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1767317875235144051?s=20