Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 31, 2024, 07:20:18 AMWas Daboll a bad coach masquerading as a very good coach in 2022? Or was he a good coach who got complacent/cocky after 2022 and consequently did a poor coaching job in 2023 but is capable of rebounding and getting back to the techniques that made him successful in 2022?

For me, where I'd rank him right now has a lot to do with which of those two classifications I'd put him in. To just rank him based on the previous season alone seems like a pretty simplistic, one-dimensional way of doing this.

Jeff,

THAT is the million-dollar question.  As you say, Dabs might just get a bit too full of himself with his early success, and a bit of hubris brought him down.  He would hardly be the first person to fall into that trap and if you recognize the mistake, it's correctable.

On the other hand, they say you learn more about a person in adversity than in good times.   Plus, the way the Giants handled the Wink situation left a sour taste in my mouth, which I don't think bodes well for the future.

It's really hard to predict which direction is the correct one, and I guess we will all find out.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 30, 2024, 08:47:32 PMI do.  I count it heavily against him that he led a powder puff training camp, didn't insist that the OL coach establish a starting 5 in time for them to gel and develop some chemistry, and left them utterly unready to compete on opening day.

I would also fault him for bringing his friend O-line coach Bobby Johnson and not pulling Daniel Jones by the end of the 3rd quarter in that nightmare Dallas opening game (subjecting DJ to all sorts of physical abuse).

https://x.com/bigbluevcr/status/1771518508368863272?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1774180297564737979?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Michael Penix Jr. 2024 NFL Draft: Combine Results, Scouting Report For Washington QB

By Greg Cosell

NFL Analyst

https://www.the33rdteam.com/michael-penix-jr-2024-nfl-draft-combine-results-scouting-report-for-washington-qb/

Do you agree with them?


22) Brian Daboll, New York Giants
Regular-season record: 15-18-1 (.456)

Winner of the NFL's 2022 Coach of the Year award, Brian Daboll went through it in 2023. Daniel Jones missed several games with a concussion before suffering a season-ending torn ACL, and the Giants were eventually forced to roll with undrafted free agent QB Tommy DeVito under center. Daboll's sideline blowups became a talking point, while his turbulent relationship with DC Wink Martindale eventually led to the latter's resignation.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-head-coaches-nfl-rankings/

https://x.com/PhilSimmsQB/status/1774140982486872299?s=20

Ranking Best Supporting Casts For Top Pick Quarterbacks Of The Last 20 Years

https://www.the33rdteam.com/ranking-best-supporting-casts-for-top-pick-quarterbacks-of-the-last-20-years/

What the people making the unsubstantiated claims about the Giants having to dumb down the play book for Daniel Jones never explain is this:

The mental aspect of the game is heavily scouted (and readily apparent) by teams.   Daniel Jones struggled to understand the NFL game according to some of his harshest critics but Shurmur and Gettleman went ahead and drafted him sixth overall (Lock was not a first-round pick)

Schoen and Daboll also learned that Jones is supposedly limited mentally, yet they signed him to a big-ticket contract (where the Broncos moved on from Lock).

The number of people I need to believe are below average in intelligence and/or judgment is just too much for me.

https://x.com/carlbanksgiii/status/1773871628310511627?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ


https://x.com/ukgiantsfan1/status/1774001752594898983?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

https://x.com/clt_ny/status/1773863868718018576?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ


https://x.com/ukgiantsfan1/status/1774009261481144390?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ


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Quote from: londonblue on March 30, 2024, 07:37:49 AMIf Maye falls to 6 I would be astonished if we did not turn in our card in record time. His high ceiling, low floor, big body, hero ball mentality simply has to remind Daboll and Schoen of Allen. This does not mean he is or will be Allen level in NFL but to me of all the QB in this draft he is the one I think fits our HC most. Of course all the talking him down in the media may be BS and he might well go 2 or 3 with us never having a sniff at him.

I think one thing that is forgotten in the Josh Allen comparisons is just how big of an anomaly Josh Allen really was.   Josh Allen was very inaccurate in college despite his big arm (similar to Maye).  Josh did what is really seen over the past decades: an inaccurate college QB improved his accuracy at the next level.   Historically, QBs tend to be less accurate (or the same), and the next level, they don't improve.  By the NFL, their throwing mechanics are essentially ingrained.   

Drafting Maye thinking he will be another Josh Allen is like expecting lightning to strike twice.

In the end this could prove to be roughly an even deal

The Jets likely get a 3rd rond comp pick for the Jets signing away their edge rusher

The Jets then give the Eagles a 3rd or 2nd round pick in return for their pass rusher

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 30, 2024, 01:19:34 AMIf Schoen drafts a QB at 6 wouldn't it be difficult to fire him and Daboll because they could say we have a QB of our choice not one that was handed to us and we need time to develop him?

Schoen, by virtue of the GM position, has more seasons.  Considering NYG fired Shurmur the year after Jones was drafted suggests a QB will not save Daboll's job if the team stinks again this season.

I tend to lean toward the WR.  The Giant's roster needs to start adding red-chip and blue-chip players.   The team can't be so QB-focused as they pass up an ideal chance to do so.

Admittedly, if a QB the Giants like falls to them at 6, I wouldn't fault them (because they believe that QB could be blue or red chip.

Still, if they go WR for the next few seasons, it will be easier to develop a QB, or any QB behind center will have an easier time of it.