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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 12, 2023, 03:50:02 PMThe one thing I don't quite get is if you're going to do that, why Saturday night and not Friday night (in case some players have a few too many)?

If you reread the report, it said he threw a party; there is no mention that players (or anyone else from NYG) were involved.  For all we know, it could have been a birthday party or something else that is not related to the Giants

Quote from: kingm56 on September 12, 2023, 03:30:16 PMHe's not a Giants fan...he's Cowboys fan.  At some point, getting to and from the game becomes a massive hassle. I get why people sell their tickets. For me, I prefer to watch the games at home; however, I try to attend two games a year.  Although, this year requires a 20+ hr flight to do so.  Unfortunately, it's against Dallas in Nov...

One other reason for Giants fans to hold on to their tickets.  The value of the PSLs they were forced to buy is pretty bad.  Selling your seats is at a loss for Giants fans, assuming you can even find a buyer.

Quote from: Ed Vette on September 12, 2023, 03:35:35 PMFor what it's worth, he's got a good argument. Is it worth it staying the course trying to be something they aren't? Especially if they can't protect Daniel Jones?

I will add, choosing the Dallas game with their fierce pass rush, was not the best pick for trying something new.

I appreciate the need to be more explosive on offense.  I just dont see how they we so confident that the O-line would take care of business.

Quote from: kingm56 on September 12, 2023, 03:21:53 PMI agree, GMO!  I also don't begrudge ANYONE for selling thier tickets...I have a friend who makes a sizable profit from selling his tickets each year.

I'm a little surprised he was able to.   With all the losing, tickets often sell below face value.  Giants podcasts even started running ads for season tickets and suites.   I guess if you sell them before the start of the season, but I am still not sure why anyone would be paying a premium on tickets (at least not until this season).

I personally don't see this is as much of a story, but I do try to keep you guys informed as to what is being said out there.



Per Michael Kay on "The Michael Kay Show" on ESPN New York:

"I have it on good authority that Brian Daboll had a huge party at his house on Saturday night," Kay said in the third hour of his show. "You're not throwing a big party if you're about to get your butt kicked by the Cowboys. So, this took everybody by surprise. And that's what's scary. Nobody expected this sort of blowout. They thought that they were going to play with them and they didn't even show up.

"That scares me guys. That tells me that they don't even know their own team. There's no way the head coach of a team throws a huge party like that the night before the opener if they think that there's a chance that they're going to get blown out."


https://www.nj.com/giants/2023/09/giants-brian-daboll-threw-huge-party-before-week-1-blowout.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=njsports_sf&utm_content=nj_twitter_njsports

Quote from: kingm56 on September 12, 2023, 02:58:02 PMRich,

What part did you find surprising?  I think he nailed what some of us were talking about; specifically, the notion that a simple team change is going to dramatically change a players direction (i.e. Parris into Rice). He seemed to criticized the Giants for passing, when they have QB who doesn't appear to have that ability...I think he's been consistent with that message. He stated the Giants beat bad teams and get blown out against the NFL better teams.  Again, all consistent messages from him. He also suggest that DJ is not capable of becoming a better passer, and the Giants should focus on what they did last year. He did explicitly callout Neil for being awful.  I found his message consistent with his other views, as they relate to the Giants.   

Mike repeating his claims about Jones (which I have my doubts are correct), wasn't the surprise.  The surprise was after being crucified for saying the Giants suffered from the disease me.  After the blowout, Mike could have easily declared vindication, but he actually seemed to go in the opposite direction.

Quote from: President Rick on September 12, 2023, 03:03:08 PMwatching the game I was wondering if next year we don't kick Neal inside and DRAFT staring caliber OT and then an OG.  we have the hood ornaments... let's put a V-8 under the hood and [to quote Bill Parcells]..."run with power".  Not to mention pass block with authority.

From what I saw from Neal in that game, I am not sure moving to guard will make things better.

Quote from: madbadger on September 12, 2023, 02:59:30 PMThat's 100% fine as long as you keep in mind that while well informed he isn't a subject matter expert. He's found his niche and he's good at it but I won't take his word as gospel even if I find it somewhat informative.

Who said we should take his word as "gospel"?

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Quote from: Philosophers on September 12, 2023, 02:47:51 PMYou are right.  He is not highly credentialed.  His observations at least with this video are better than any credentialed person has commented on from this game about exactly how OL personnel failed.

Joe,

What the bashers don't get is that Bobby has the time to really get into the weeds on the line play.  The experts they cite (who I seriously doubt are in any sort of fundamental disagreement with what Bobby said) simply don't have the time nor is their audience looking for the sort of deep breakdowns Bobby provides.

As Mike has been a frequent critic of the Giants, I was dreading (a little bit) to hear his take on the loss.  His comments were surprising and not what I was expecting.  The Giants game is discussed 2:45 into the video

Quote from: President Rick on September 12, 2023, 12:32:39 PMnfl channel report RE: Giants and WR's  says Giants worked out former panthers WR and 'are looking for WR help."

did any of our guys get hurt?  in general what is our injury report?  Banks went out early with 44 as his sub. 

does anyone blame the fiasco on the WR's when the OL was a seive all night? how about looking for anyone who can pass block??   Finally, related to that, we moved the ball on the ground in that first drive....why did we seem to abandon the run at 7-0 and even 14-0????

Rick,

None of our WRs were hurt to the best of my knowledge.

I got a chance to watch Bobby during my lunch.  I highly recommend watching it.   Bobby doesn't ask anyone to "take his word for it"; he demonstrates on the tape exactly what he is seeing and explains it well.

Frankly, I seriously doubt the people attacking Bobby Skinner's knowledge of the game likely didn't watch the video.  If you watch the video, you will be hard-pressed to find fault with the points Bobby made and amply illustastrated.

Also, for Bobby's attackers, Bobby was paid to work for a football media company; he isn't just some fan who decided to do his own podcast.

I can tell you, at camp, Bobby's a minor celebrity with people coming up to thank him or ask for a picture or autograph.  Bobby is so kind to his fans.   Bobby is respected enough that he has major beat writers on his show, as well as some NFL players.   Pat Hanlon has Bobby's phone number.  How many "just a fan who played low-level football" are in Giants VP of communications Pat Hanlon's phone?

I have to confess I am taken aback by the Bobby Skinner bashing.


For those without the time to watch

Neal-  Slow, still bad footwork, and a lack of power (plus opening hips too soon)

JMS-  Pass blocking was mixed but run blocking good (more good than bad)

Glow-  A complete lack of urgency (he earned that 1.0 PFF grade)