Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 08:12:49 AMI appreciate your perspective, bama!  However, I have to disagree with your statement regarding Mahomes having mediocre season.  I also believe his stats prove the opposite of the point you're trying to make.  In point of fact, Mahomes finished in the Top 10 of almost every major NFL passing category, without a top-tier WR.  By definition, a top 10 performance is anything other than mediocre.  This also wasn't his first year playing without WR talent; he also played without WR talent last year, when he put up all world numbers.  Indeed, he had an off year for Mahomes; however, it was hardly mediocre.  In short, QBs akin to Mahomes and Brady can still put up top 10 numbers without quality WRs.   

Yards    #6
Comp    #3
TDs    #8
PCT    #9
RTG    #12
QBR    #8

Great rubuttle.

You left out a few,

INTs   #4 Only three QBs threw more. I'll agree with you that 4th most interceptions is not mediocre. 
Y/A    #19 I don't consider that good or bad. If that is where  or when the ball needs to go because that is how Defenses are playing you, then that is where it needs to go, yet we kill Daniel Jones for similar numbers.

ATT #3 which of course drives all numbers, both good and bad.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 08:08:12 AMAre we talking about the same guy that got benched for Tyrod Taylor or do we have multiple devitos on the roster?

Actually a huge difference in Luck and Lock lol.

Noooooooo. Im talking about our only QB last year with a few wins under his belt

Tyrod   nice guy  good QB. spends his life in the little blue tent unfortunately

He is OLD and not in the Tom Brady sense Old

Wasnt Tyrod the same guy who adubiled for a run in a sure victory situation against Buffalo

Then tried to throw a ball at Saquons Arse to prevent another likely victory

Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Atlanta Falcons recap:

- Likely to be docked draft picks & fined for tampering to sign Kirk Cousins

- Didn't seriously consider hiring Bill Belichick

- Signed Cousins to a $180 million contract

- Blindsided Cousins and his camp by drafting their next franchise QB at No. 8
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I guess this is also why I am happy.  Here is what I posted to Ed a few days ago in terms of how I viewed this "historic" QB class

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 22, 2024, 09:50:33 AMEd,

I guess I just see the strong draft class as functionally an illusion owing to three QB needy teams drafting 1-3.   


The draft class of

Williams
Maye
Daniels
JJ
Penix
Nix

Sounds pretty impressive

The functional draft class (assuming the 3 QB needy teams draft 3 QBs) of

JJ
Penix
Nix

Seems a bit less impressive with the Giants drafting 3rd

Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on Today at 08:18:17 AMThe only possible explanation would be if the Cousins rehab is not coming along as expected. Otherwise, a real head scratcher 

I see your point, but then why the hell would you give that guy $100 million guaranteed? 

Quote from: londonblue on Today at 08:10:46 AMWe were a bad team before we picked Nabers. We are still a bad team after the pick. We are a battered, rusting heap with an engine operating at half power (DJ), two good tires (AT, Dex), a nice stereo pass rush duo and an enhanced selection of shiny WR hood ornaments.

I am not sure there is much to be happy about as we are still a long way from competing. Getting another good player is nice but hardly cause for bunting and a parade.

london: Although I disagree at least a bit with your sentiment, I "liked" your post because no one has to my knowledge ever used the word "bunting" here other than with reference to baseball. lol

The only possible explanation would be if the Cousins rehab is not coming along as expected. Otherwise, a real head scratcher 

Matt Waldman was really high on Nabers

He's an excellent route runner and it begins with press coverage. An NFL-caliber primary receiver is the option who will be
matched one-on-one with one of the top corners in football in a must-have game scenario and he wins despite the corner
knowing what's coming before the snap.
The corner may not always press the receiver in that situation, but beating press coverage is a vital requirement for
becoming the No.1 option on an NFL team. Most receiver prospects have a lot to learn about defeating press coverage and
it takes them 2-3 years to become competent, if they ever do.

Most of these prospects have learned release techniques but lack the conceptual artistry to apply them with expertise that
will appropriately beat a pro. Some have developed 1-2 release combinations that will work in the NFL—at least until
cornerbacks catch on that the receiver lacks a strong repertoire.
Far fewer have a wide range of release combinations. Those that do often don't know which ones to use in the appropriate
situation based on the alignment of the defender, the tells the defender gives, the route the receiver intends to run, and the
coverage of nearby defenders supporting the primary defender.
The best have a strong repertoire of techniques, a grasp of the artistry to execute them effectively, and the broader
understanding of football to make the best selection of moves for the given situation. Nabers is one of those select few. He
plays with pacing to set up sudden and violent application of the techniques and select the techniques that will get him
efficiently into his stem or his break.
The same is true of Nabers stems and breaks. He understands that efficiency is paramount for timing routes and he has
learned how to win without wasted motion. While techniques where he can be sharper in specific route scenarios, they're
minor issues that improvable and often isolated to a handful of reps on film versus multiple successful reps elsewhere.
Nabers plays at both a high rate of speed and control. There are NFL veterans with top-shelf athletic ability who never
develop this expertise. There are also pros who execute with speed and efficiency, but lack Nabers' acceleration, movement,
and play-point toughness.
Nabers is a tough, focused, and dynamic player at the catch point at every range of the field. Once he earns the ball, he's a
big-play option after the catch who can make defenders miss and set up blocks.
I had a strong grade for Odell Beckham when he entered the NFL Draft amid a media analyst mindset (that some teams
were also sharing) that Beckham was too short and too light to become a primary option. That mindset is extinct, and
Beckham's accumulation of injuries only reveals moments where we see what he could do in his prime.
Nabers may not be picked first, but he will be picked early. He will also remind fans of Beckham as a route runner as well as
for his intensity in one-on-one scenarios, including as a blocker.

Quote from: londonblue on Today at 08:10:46 AMWe were a bad team before we picked Nabers. We are still a bad team after the pick. We are a battered, rusting heap with an engine operating at half power (DJ), two good tires (AT, Dex), a nice stereo pass rush duo and an enhanced selection of shiny WR hood ornaments.

I am not sure there is much to be happy about as we are still a long way from competing. Getting another good player is nice but hardly cause for bunting and a parade.

Getting a blue chip prospect at 6 is not an every-year occurrence, from what I have seen.  Consider the 2022 draft when the Giants picked 5 and 7.  They got Thibs and Neal, but neither was considered a blue chipper.  At best both were red chip prospects

Quote from: bamagiantfan on Today at 07:42:27 AMI like Phil Simms' comment from years ago. In the NFL, statistics lie. If the team is playing well on both sides of the ball, the QBs shouldn't have big numbers at the end of the game. Its the teams that struggle to win (or not) that are throwing the ball for big numbers. Everyone is looking for the next Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes was a mediocre QB statistically in 2023 (yes, I said it) due in large part to a bunch of mediocre WR receivers. Compare his stats in 2023 to Jones in 2022. They are pretty similar, except Mahomes threw 150 more passes for about 10 more touchdowns and 10 more interceptions. Mahomes was able to grind out first downs with short passes and and his legs when he had to for wins. Kinda like Jones in 2022.

No, I'm not comparing the overall talent of Jones to Mahomes but there is a formula for winning that has won Superbowls and Jones has shown he is capable of making the plays that win games, which may not include big stats. It also included horrible offensive line play which was/is the one thing that has to be fixed for ANY QB to be successful in NY.

I think uconnjack got it right. THe pieces around him from the Offensive line to the recievers at all positions prohibit Jones from being successful without a great Defense.

I appreciate your perspective, bama!  However, I have to disagree with your statement regarding Mahomes having mediocre season.  I also believe his stats prove the opposite of the point you're trying to make.  In point of fact, Mahomes finished in the Top 10 of almost every major NFL passing category, without a top-tier WR.  By definition, a top 10 performance is anything other than mediocre.  This also wasn't his first year playing without WR talent; he also played without WR talent last year, when he put up all world numbers.  Indeed, he had an off year for Mahomes; however, it was hardly mediocre.  In short, QBs akin to Mahomes and Brady can still put up top 10 numbers without quality WRs.   

Yards    #6
Comp    #3
TDs    #8
PCT    #9
RTG    #12
QBR    #8