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#1
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants scouting QBs hard
March 28, 2024, 10:08:29 AM
Quote from: katkavage on March 28, 2024, 09:51:29 AMI think they believe they are close enough that they they can get their guy. It's now or never for both Schoen and Daboll. In the perfect world they would have gotten their guy two years ago but there wasn't anyone out there and couldn't give up on Jones so quickly.

Possibly - but would he be "their guy" if they crap the bed next season again with a rookie QB at the helm?  That would only be possible if Mara assured them that they have some rope and he understands this is a reset thats going to take a few years.  And would Mara give them that rope a mere year after an offseason that saw them extend a middling QB to big dollars?  Big questions indeed.

#2
You guys need to stop focusing on what Mara's lips are saying and focus more on what likely happened behind the scenes. 

- Does Mara gain anything other than alienating other players if he said "we had no intention of resigning Saquon"?  It doesn't cost him anything to appear to have given it the old college try even if they knew it was unlikely they were going to bring him back.
- With Barkley being on a one year there would have been limited trade value for him.  If a team in good position had wanted him they might have given up a late round pick to get him for the latter half of the season, but mind you, he was struggling with injuries yet again.  Any team that wanted him with the intention of signing him long term during the season also probably would not have wanted to part with a lot of draft picks only to fork over more cash.  Keep in mind that most teams are flying pretty close to the salary cap by the time the season kicks off.
- "We were still trying to win" sure sounds a whole lot better than "we couldn't get much for him on the market, we're paying him anyway, and if we retained him at least we get a compensatory draft pick".

So the options are trade away one of the best players on the team, telegraph that you're giving up on the season for peanuts or keep him around, take your lumps and earn a likely 3rd round pick as a consolation prize.  I think Schoen et al got it right. 
#3
Quote from: Philosophers on March 27, 2024, 01:57:30 PMWhy is it that with Nabers I feel like there may be a maturity issue yet I don't feel that way with Harrison or Odunze?

Shades of OBJ?

I continue to think Brian Thomas is the real gem.

I haven't read or seen anything to indicate that, but generally speaking the LSU players, especially wideouts do seem to have an aura about them that might not be the most team-centric.  Justin Jefferson is probably the best wideout in the NFL but has questions around his mental toughness, his willingness to get back to work after an injury, and loyalty to a team in general.

All that said, I applaud a guy who made the effort and worked out at both his Pro Day and the Combine.  I doubt it will affect either his or Marvin Harrison Jr.'s position, but I like that he put himself out there.
#4
Quote from: kingm56 on March 27, 2024, 07:46:18 AMI have no issues with the NFL's strategy.  The reality is, Network TV viewership has been declining each year; as a byproduct, cable companies are bleeding millions of subscribers each year.  Gen Z's virtual rejection of Network TV is the impetus of cable TVs decline; in fact, I suspect live sporting events is the primary reason they continue to provide television services, which is why Network TV pays a premium for NFL broadcasting rights.  The NFL appears to be at the initial stages of moving from traditional network TV to streaming services, which is the preferred entertainment aperture for younger generations.   

I don't think anyone has a problem with the strategy or streaming in general - the issue is the cost.  Whereas in years past you only needed basic cable + ESPN to see literally every NFL game, in order to see every game now you would need basic cable, ESPN, Prime Video and Peacock.  What's more insulting is that NBC is on basic cable but they intentionally won't broadcast there and will only move to Peacock. I can only imagine a future sometime soon where despite having ESPN, you'll need ESPN+ to see some of those games as well.  And then Disney+ and Paramount+ on and on it goes.  Streaming was supposed to make entertainment cheaper and easier to access.  It has not.
#5
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Full list of rule changes
March 26, 2024, 12:27:49 PM
I got really excited for a moment when I saw that the game clock can be challenged upon whether it expired or not but realize this doesn't extend to play clock.  Why limit the application only to the expiration of the game clock, which happens only 4 times a game?  Drives me batty that so many teams get that built in extra half second from when the play clock expires to the snap because the refs are human and can't see the clock and the snap at the same time. 
#6
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 22, 2024, 12:00:39 PMNo offense to anyone here.

If you believe JJ is a solid GET @ #6, I would just like to remind every one of the last QB we took @ #6 overall.

Bigger games, and bigger wins but also carried by the OLINE, running game & defense for JJ.

If they're inclined to take him, they may as well stick with what they have. There's negligible difference, unless it's simply a "restart the clock" pick.


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Voice of reason here!  I get the impression there's a faction here of "anyone but Jones!" and just want change for changes sake.  I too don't get the impression that JJ McCarthy represents a short or long term gain over our existing options at QB. 
#7
Quote from: madbadger on March 19, 2024, 11:49:35 AMAs a coach you lose moral authority with your players when you anoint a guy as the starter when his play hasn't earned that level of respect. There isn't a single guy in the locker room that wants a repeat of last year.

By this standard no rookie quarterback should ever start?  I get the point you're trying to make but if I was a veteran on the Giants and I'm presented with:

- Daniel Jones is the starter
- a rookie qb will be the starter
- Drew Lock is the starter

None are terribly appealing but you can just as quickly lose that respect by ditching a guy who the previous season helped win playoff game for a fresh out of college quarterback.
#8
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Pickett to the Eagles
March 15, 2024, 03:06:45 PM
This one doesn't add up for me.  He's not a gifted runner like Hurts.  You'd have to really change your play calling in the event Hurts goes down.  Maybe it's just be but I feel like there were better fits out there.
#9
Kudos to Aaron Donald on a hell of a career. 

Maybe it's just me, and I'm sure this was all in good nature, but Justin Pugh should know to NEVER associate someone with Lawrence Taylor.  That man is in a class of his own with regards to greatness and impact on the game.  Aaron Donald can lay claim to fame as one of the best 3-techniques to ever grace the field along with Warren Sapp and Mean Joe Greene. They still aren't Lawrence Taylor.
#10
Big Blue Huddle / Re: OBJ
March 15, 2024, 11:11:32 AM
I imagine this will ring hollow with upcoming collegiate talent and draftees, and I'm sure the NFLPA would never allow it, but OBJ and others like him should be part of a "Cautionary Tales" segment.  They harp on real life examples related to finance, but don't bring in players who made a fortune as a player and squandered it like Terrell Owens or so many others.  They should absolutely highlight players who were on transcendent career arcs that got cut short, and let the players come to their conclusions as to why.  Some of that is OBJ's injury history, over which you could argue he had little control.  But if you want to get down to dollars, he destroyed his own career through team-hopping too often as a result of immature behavior and a desire to hold himself above the team.  I truly wish him the best, but nothing I see out of him indicates to me he's ever learned to be circumspect.
#11
Big Blue Huddle / Re: There is a new 26
March 15, 2024, 10:28:47 AM
My goodness I did not expect this reaction.  Why are we bent out of shape that they reassigned 26?  Saquon Barkley is unlikely to ever go into the Giants' Ring of Honor with a limited tenure and injury-riddled seasons.  That's not a personal indictment of Barkley, it's simply the facts.  Even if he did, they don't retire all the Ring of Honor jersey numbers. 

I'm pretty sure the Giants reassigned #21 to Kenny Phillips a year after Tiki Barber retired and he did far more as a Giant than Barkley ever did.
#12
Big Blue Huddle / Re: What do you guys want at #47 ?
March 14, 2024, 05:06:46 PM
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 14, 2024, 03:53:44 PMWhose against bringing back Leo at a discount?

Trade down 2x from #6 collect picks and build this damn roster!!


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I don't know why we don't advocate trading down more often.  Especially if you're in a position to leverage multiple teams bidding against each other, trading down when you don't "like" the board is great.  If we could trade down a few spots and still get someone like a Brock Bowers, that's an absolute coup.  Adds a receiving threat, addresses a questionable position, and we pick up some extra draft capital.
#13
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2024, 01:00:15 PMIt appears Andrew Brandt isn't optimistic that the NFL's investigation will be effective


https://x.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1768320904629489693?s=20

Funny that the NFL can find that Tom Brady was "generally more likely than not aware of a scheme to deflate footballs" but can't wrap their head around how to enforce free agency rules.  It does seem foolish on it's face that the teams can't talk to the player because it's almost completely unenforceable.

Football team calls agent...

Agent: Hello?
Team: Hi, we'd like to sign XYZ.
Agent:  Oh cool he's right here next to me, let me put him on the phone.

#14
Quote from: TDToomer on March 14, 2024, 11:11:38 AMBy what you are describing it sounds like this plan moves the "colleges" further and further away from being a place of learning and more of a minor league pro system. So why still call the teams in this conference College Football?

Quote from: nb587 on March 13, 2024, 07:13:59 PMI think a few college football issues might affect the NFL and not just NIL.  With the big tv money going to the colleges, I think the NCAA will be lucky to be in existence in a few years. The big time colleges will create a super conference and I can see them not taking a back seat to the NFL on scheduling and other matters. They may want to be a feeder league to the pros; they may end up forcing the league to pay way more for the kids to go pro (as if the colleges are not pros now).  Also, there was a recent ruling that allows college athletes to unionize.  That will become a big deal

This might very well be what ends up happening, although I don't know how quickly.  The XFL does not have an age restriction.  How long until top high school talent, who can secure NIL deals AND get paid by the team start opting to "go pro" directly out of high school?  If you aren't inclined to higher education, or see that as an impediment to your ability to focus exclusively on football, or "need cash now" - there are now outlets that can pay and potentially pay big.  And while I'm sure the NFL would lose it's mind over losing it's "free farm system" that it currently has, I imagine they'd have to adapt quickly.  They would also be permitted to view how 18-22 year olds fare against NFL cast-offs, hangers-on or never-has-beens like the XFL currently has.  The point is, the intrinsic value of college athletics has been destroyed by NIL.  What happens next is anyones guess. 

The "super conferenece" stuff is already happening.  The SEC and Big 10 have thrown their weight around and the 14 team CFP will automatically hold at LEAST 6 teams from those two conferences, if not 8.  They also will take home 65% of the revenue from the CFP.  Feels like only a matter of time before they essentially form an AFC/NFC conference style format and college football will really be about .... 32 teams.
#15
You guys should really go read what Nick Saban said.  Because he has said he's not adverse to players making money or being part of some revenue sharing agreement.  Nick Saban has always said his goal with "The Process" was to develop players & people to be better.  Players are no longer interested in development, or if they are, it's taking a back seat to money. 
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Saban told a story about a recruiting breakfast hosted at his home that ended with his wife, Terry, questioning why they were still doing this.

"She said, 'All they care about is how much you're gonna pay them, they don't care about how much you're gonna develop them, which is what we've always done, so why are we doing this?'" Saban explained.

"If we had some sort of revenue sharing proposition that did not make student-athletes employees ... I think that may be the long-term solution," Saban said. "You could create a better quality of life for student-athletes, you could still emphasize development, you can still create brand and athletic development with a system like that and it would be equal in all institutions. You couldn't raise more money at one school to create a competitive advantage at another."
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It's not unfathomable that talented 18 year olds or eligible transfer students want to make money.  It's that they're potentially trading their development as a player for the "here and now" cash they can get. It's definitely to the detriment of "team sport" but it's totally within reason of capitalism and free market.  There will definitely be a drop off in the polish that players entering the NFL have, because there's high potential that they followed the money rather than putting themselves in a program (like Alabama) where they are developed into quality players, but potentially have to wait 2-3 years before seeing the field.

As for the NFL - it won't impact the NFL in the slightest.  It was already a free market here for the past 30 years.  It just means the quality of player entering the NFL is lower.