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Quote from: bamagiantfan on Today at 12:39:18 PMUnless something has changed, the Giants have a 5th (Pick 166) also.

You are right Bama, #166.. I thought we gave that in the trade for Burns!
That is great... may be we can add a DT or CB with that pick

At this point, I almost hope he comes back.  I would love to see how defense would handle the receiver corps and Waller


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Just spoke with Darren Waller a few minutes ago as he finished up an event here in New Jersey as the mental health ambassador for Hackensack Meridian Health.
Shared his story at the opening of the Carrier Clinic in Montgomery.

Waller said he has not finalized his decision regarding retirement, but was adamant that the decision has everything to do with whether he feels he can give 100 percent of himself to the team and the game.
I asked specifically if it has anything to do with the roster here or his experience last season. Waller insisted no. #NYGiants
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Stroud is a little high after one year and Love is a little low, but I won't argue. Nice list.

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 11:16:51 AMFundamentally, it's about moving the sticks (yards) and scoring points (TDs).  QBs who throw for lots of yards and TDs,  give your team the best chance to win championships, espically in the modern era.  I suspect that's why yards, TDs, and SBs are the focus for determining HoF worthiness, as it relates to QBs.  .

These QBs comprise the NFL(s) Top 10 ALL-TIME QB RATING:

Deshaun Watson
Dak Prescott
Kirk Cousins
Jimmy Garoppolo

It matters; however, not as much as yards and TDs.

To your point in bold, if that is your assertion why don't you ever include rushing yards and touchdowns in your QB stats?

Quote from: GloryDays on Today at 12:17:41 PMTonight I would love it if we took TE Ben Sinnott in the second and OT Roger Rosengarten in the third.
Tomorrow with only 2 picks, if we can get RB Shipley in the 4th and S Kit. Oladapo in the 6th I would be thrilled.

Unless something has changed, the Giants have a 5th (Pick 166) also.

Quote from: madbadger on Today at 11:59:14 AMLook at the Patriots receiver room and tell me that they would have zero interest in a guy who managed to put up 770 yards and four touchdowns while being targeted by guys like DeVito and Taylor. He isn't nearly as bad as your post implies he is. They also would get pick 47 and there will still be good receivers available if they want to continue to add to that group.

I never said he was bad or implied that he was bad. What I said was he has no trade value. Your proposed trade is the opposite of a Pats-type move. They do not give up draft capital for vets in need of a new contract. They move on from guys like Slayton, not trade assets for them.

The Pats could get a talented WR in the third round who is cheaper and younger than Slayton and could produce comparable results. Sane for every other team. And that's why Slayton has no trade value.

"The number one thing that drives me insane about Daniel Jones is his lack of vision in the pocket when things get messy."

I see it more of Jones not having time to see the play develop in a pocket that is always messy. I'll give Kafka some blame for that. Barkley wasn't great at blitz pickup but he was okay. Too often Barkley was in the pattern or wasn't on the field in a 4 wide set which, with the Giants offensive line woes, just begs the Defenses to bring extras. Kafka's personnel for protection schemes don't often match the playcalling. In simpler terms, if you count to two and the pocket is already collapsed, how is Jones supposed to get the ball out of his hand on a deeper route.

The play calling in 2022 was a natural reaction to the Offensive line injuries and issues and it worked. For some reason they abandoned that last year and started running routes further down field. It just didn't work, mostly because the problems on the line had not been fixed.

When Arizona went into a Prevent Defense we saw what the offense could look like. Unfortunately, the Giants were unable to handle the pass rush in normal situations and the O-line, QBs, and receivers all looked like they can't play.

Quote from: Philosophers on Today at 12:23:13 PMIf DJ got to 12th (where Hurts is), I dont think we'd have the Eagles record because they have so many better players than the Giants do.  To be the Eagles DJ would have to be more like 5th - 7th or 12th with all the Giants players getting much better.

I doubt DJ can be 5th-7th.

That's how I see it.

He's got a long road to climb to get into the top ten. And I'm sure one of the rookies will emerge as well.

Quote from: madbadger on Today at 11:39:02 AMThat's true but if they stay at pick 34 there is no guarantee that he will turn into a solid pro and with this trade they get a good receiver who will be good day one and they will have pick 47 to add a lineman or running back to give Maye an even better shot of succeeding. If we have to trade our fourth round pick in return for the Pats fifth round pick to sweeten the pot I won't complain.

I think you are greatly underestimating the value of a rookie contract. It's not just about their immediate impact. It's about the fact that he is a pending FA and whoever you could potentially draft at 34 would be making peanuts relative to what you'd have to pay Slayton and Slayton isn't even a game changer. He's a solid #3 receiver and an ok #2, but you'd be lucky to get a day 3 pick for somebody of that stature.

Quote from: madbadger on Today at 12:13:42 PMYou're missing the point. Other the JuJu Smith Schuster they have no starting caliber receivers in that room. The draft is so deep at receiver that there will still be a good receiver available at 47. If they make this trade and draft a receiver at 47 they can give Maye three guys to work with. If they don't they won't. Hopefully teams are learning from the Giants that it's a fools errand to draft a quarterback in the top ten and then deny him having a group of solid receivers to work with. Tell me how the Pats can end up with three solid receivers for Maye?

Got your point. Makes sense if they like Slayton.