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Title: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on September 01, 2015, 05:40:42 PM
Since the new season is coming up quickly and after watching that one last Talking Dead show the other night, I got to thinking about our band of hero's'

Who would you say is the one person they simply cannot kill off? Most seem to say Daryl right now, so is that correct?

And, who would be the easiest to kill off? Abraham, Glenn maybe Carl????

And lastly, who was the character that you were the sorriest to see go. We have had a lot of important deaths, from Andrea, to Beth, the Rick's wife, to Shane, to Sophia, to Dale to Hershel to Tyreese to whomever else I have forgotten.
For me, I think the biggest loss or surprise was Hershel, followed by Ricks wife.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Hadron on September 02, 2015, 09:09:34 AM
I honestly can't see them killing off Daryl anytime soon. The ladies love him too much!

I think Glenn is going to be on the chopping block soon. His roller coaster of activity can't be healthy.

Biggest loss? Hershel. Most surprising? Beth.   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on September 02, 2015, 11:43:38 AM
I think Rick is untouchable. How does the group even survive as a group w/o Rick? Without Rick, the group would splinter. Plus, Andy Lincoln is the most experienced and, imho, the best actor of the lot. We know Daryl isn't going anywhere soon since Kirkman is casting him in his latest movie. As for surprising deaths, I have not been terribly "shocked" by any of them. Kirkman said something that made a ton of sense to me. He said we are asking people to suspend belief that this kind of apocalypse is even possible. He cannot then ask people to expect that NONE of the stars will ever die. That's just asking too much from the audience and would doom the show. I thought that made perfect sense, so I expect a big name character to get killed off every season.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on September 02, 2015, 07:16:02 PM
As much as Rick is the leader of the group, if you watched the Talking Dead show the other night, they all seemed to agree that Carol could very well become a leader and a good one at that. It would not surprise me that at the end of the next season, Rick is looking for another line of work. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on September 03, 2015, 09:43:30 AM
As much as Rick is the leader of the group, if you watched the Talking Dead show the other night, they all seemed to agree that Carol could very well become a leader and a good one at that. It would not surprise me that at the end of the next season, Rick is looking for another line of work.

Oh, I would have to disagree with you here, Lenn. Could Rick be killed off? Sure. Andy Lincoln could either decide he wants to go back to making movies, gets an offer he cannot refuse, or gets a big head and demands an obscene amount of money that AMC is not willing to pay. Those things happen to TV shows all the time. But Carol cannot lead the group. Carol is "broken". Her PTSD form domestic abuse, guilt from murdering Tyrese's lover, killing the girls, etc., etc. has turned Carol into the walking definition of a sociopath. Right now, imo, the line separating Carol and the Governor is razor thin and probably only exists because she feels it is easier for her to manipulate Rick than risk the fallout from killing him. I believe a number of the group, including Daryl, already have doubts about Carol. Take Rick out of the picture and Carol IS the Governor. Put Carol in charge and it becomes a "you are either with me or against me" situation overnight. Someone will want to leave and Carol will have them killed. And then the group will splinter into rival factions. Will Rick die? Sure. I could easily see Kirkman using Rick's death as the final episode. I can imagine a final episode - if Kirkman really wants to emotionally knee cap all of us - where Carl dies by Rick's own hand, either as an accident or because Carl gets bit, and then Rick turns his gun on himself. It's brutal, but so is their world, and who would not be talking about that ending for months!!! Or, as I mentioned above, Andy Lincoln could chose to leave for career and/or financial reasons. Rick is definitely not bulletproof. But I do not see any way the group survives the loss of Rick, intact, and with Carol in charge. For me, that's just too much of a stretch.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on September 03, 2015, 11:27:15 AM
Tucker

 Sorry but I will disagree about Carol. I see her now as a cool, calm and collective person who sees things in an entirely different light then she did, some time ago. Her little chat with that neighborhood boy showed me that. She used psychology instead of action even if it was to scare the living you know what out of him. I do NOT see her as anywhere near what the Governor was, who would kill his own men at a whim, behead Hershel just because. Carol is cold now, but she is very far from being psychotic. Daryl was, maybe still is, fascinated with her and I could easily see her as a very capable leader of this group, even of the entire city. That is if the men in high places even thought about killing Rick off.

As you said though, any cast member, who gets too big for their britches, finds better work some where else, or just wants a change of pace, cane easily be eliminated. The public outcry may be huge, but the show is bigger than that and will move on.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on September 03, 2015, 11:35:54 AM
We will see how it all plays out, Lenn. You may be right. Let's be honest, one writers meeting and we could be BOTH be a million miles from the truth. All we can say for certain is AMC & Kirkman must be absolutely giddy that they have built a franchise that is so popular that it is being openly discussed on a site set up to discuss football. They have set the hook deep and all we can do is wiggle on the line.  ;)  When it does end, and all good things must, I will miss the fun I had following it and enjoying it's twists and turns.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on September 04, 2015, 05:43:40 PM
Do you or have you, read any of the comic books about the Walking Dead? That seems to be the basis and when that runs out, well we shall see.

But talking it on a football board is OK as it regularly beats out SNF in it's time slot. When has THAT every happened before?

They also brought up an interesting question about Morgan. will be be a friend or foe of Rick?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 08, 2015, 06:44:00 PM
OK people, I'm geared up and ready for the new season. I just re watched the last couple of episodes from last season and I am stoked?

So what will Morgan bring to our group? Will he be friend or foe of Rick?

Will a major character be killed off this season?

Bring it on, I'm ready  :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 10, 2015, 12:41:03 PM
One good thing about all of us watching "Fear..." is the premiere episode of TWD should be that much more enjoyable because that little s**t Nick is nowhere to be found!!! After "Fear..." I NEED this episode to kick some major a**. Got the dvr all set and I am watching that bad boy no matter how late I get home from work!!!!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 10, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
After the FTWD series, I wanted to watch the entire last season of TWD, but, as I said, I only watch the last 2 episodes. It DID get me over the mess from Fear, and the new season can't come fast enough.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Hadron on October 10, 2015, 11:36:14 PM
I'm looking forward to TWD. Like the rest of you, I need something good to clear the palate after FtWD.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 11, 2015, 03:58:11 PM
Right before the group enters Alexandria RIck stashs a Glock in a old coffee pot in a pile of junk outside the compound. The Glock had the initial "J" prominently displayed that had been carved into the handle. Anyone know who "J" was? I mean there is a reason that was so well displayed.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 11, 2015, 07:50:16 PM
I forgot about that.

Weren't the guns missing when they went back to look for them?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 12, 2015, 05:45:02 PM
I finished watching episode one.  That horrible spin off made me forget just what a great show the original was/is.   Great stuff. Loved how they separated flashback from real time with the black and white.   I loved how Rick dealt with the annoying teenage angst that the other series struggled to deal with. 

One thing I don't understand is why the lead car didn't use its horn to help heard the zombies.  Heck, why not tie some cans behind the car as well. 

Zombie hoards like the one they have to deal with, is the true threat.  Nothing brings back scary zombie, like that many of them hungry and on the hunt. 

It's great that the team got themselves a new moral compass with Morgan.  Plus Morgan knows how to take care of himself
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 13, 2015, 10:14:18 AM
Because of Sunday's game, I just finished watching the premier of our favorite show. As Rich said, what a difference between a real action/adventure series, great writing, great acting and great story instead of that mess we watching over this summer. The long wait paid off handsomely.

I had read before about the Black and white flashbacks and the color of real time. They just didn't explain why it was done and the story line behind it. I was also thinking the exact same thing about the noise to lure the walkers along the path, why not have the lead car make as much noise as possible to keep them in line.

I guess this was mostly a Rick episode, with most of the others, except Morgan, sort of taking a back seat, but they all played pivotal roles. We know from experience that all plans never go according to what they are suppose to, so now the Walkers are off the path, and from the previews, seem to have gotten to Alexandria.

Just a great start to what has become a truly great series. As they said on the Talking Dead,  afterwards, the bar has been set so high that it makes the people in charge, have to do so much more to keep improving it. And if I may say so, they just keep succeeding at it.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 13, 2015, 11:11:43 AM
Four things that bothered me a bit about the premiere - 1) The lead car had it's emergency blinkers on. I thought that was hysterical. Did the walkers really need to know the lead car was "proceeding with caution"?  2) Thousands upon thousands of walkers trapped in mining pit. Alexandria has construction materials and vehicles. Why not build a retaining wall at the choke points and give yourself more time to plan a less risky solution? The ridge where the truck may fall in "any day"? Blow it up. Seemed like Rick's plan was needlessly risky under the circumstances 3) Rick states "I don't take chances anymore". We see Rick aware of the mini-mutiny being planned. Rick pointed out that he would have used a lookout. "Do you really think you could take this place from me?!?" Okay. Rick's got it nailed down. He doesn't take chances. He "owns" Alexandria. He knows there is dissent. So, how come the guy who has it nailed down, would post a lookout, and knows there is dissent, didn't assign people he could trust (Carol?) to make damn sure no one inside Alexandria tried to sabotage the plan? They show Rick seemingly knowing everything that is going on in Alexandria and then portray him as a man who left Alexandria unguarded & unprotected during such a dangerous operation. 4) Alexandria has electricity from solar. Solar is great, but Virginia DOES have cloudy days and the winter can be a bit grey. So, one would have to make sure that only essential items were attached to the grid since there is no outside source of energy to supplement the solar for days when the sun is limited. Who decided it was good ideal to feed power to a horn that, under the circumstances (walkers attracted to noise), Alexandria should never, ever use? Seems like a place that had so many "smart people" build it, would have figured out that the horn needed to become scrap metal pretty early on in the apocalypse.

Despite what I felt was a sloppy script, man, was it great to watch the "real" show again and be able to put "Fear" behind me!!!  :ok:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 13, 2015, 02:33:36 PM
its science fiction, but just to be prepared , I loaded all 5 of my AK magazines, bought a spiked collar for the dawg, made a couple of Clorox bombs, a few molotov cocktails and a DRAKE bomb. that's a secret formula for those. so I say bring em on!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 18, 2015, 10:56:13 PM
First of all, I didn't realize until tonight that we had a Walking Dead thread on here. So, cool! Secondly, I agree with Tucker about last week's episode and the plan to lead a huge hoard of walkers 20 miles away using only a car and a motorcycle - going really slow and making very little noise - was a flawed plan. The preview for next week showed how that plan backfired 10 fold.

Tonight we found out where the horn was coming from. It's been stated since Rick and his group came to Alexandria that the people in that town are incapable of defending themselves. Tonight got that point across very clearly. I kind of have a problem with how most citizens of Alexandria lack confidence in themselves. The woman who was the new doctor, for instance. You're the only doctor the town has, yet she doubts herself. That's pretty weak. I don't know all the new characters, but the guy sniping apparently hasn't shot a sniper rifle before. He hesitated too much.

I disagreed with Morgan that they didn't have to kill the Wolves who invaded Alexandria. They were killing unarmed civilians, you're darn right they needed to be killed. Enid had a point with Alexandria being too big to protect because of all the blind spots, but wandering out on her own isn't exactly safe either. Lots of contradiction there. Carol showed once again that she know how to handle herself in a dire situation. I think she's become one of the stronger characters on the show.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 19, 2015, 10:13:33 AM
Just finished watching this weeks episode and, starting out very slow, it sure picked up the intensity and was probably one of the stronger episodes we ahve seen in a long time. Not long on acting, but if action is what you crave (all of us 'Fear' watchers) this one was great.

As I said in the beginning of this entire thread, I still think 'IF NECESSARY, Carol could be the leader of this group. So if they ever wanted to kill Rick off, she would take over and never miss a beat. She has become as ruthless as Rick and never hesitates to kill anymore.  (I just love the way she talks to that poor little boy).

I guess the big debate is, is Carol/Ricks approach to the world, the right one, or is Morgan's approach best? really two schools of thought, bu t I believe Morgan will come around to Killing, though he will never like it.

So now we have a full episode of 'the Wolves' and what they can do. WOW. I wonder if this was planned to take place when most of our commando's are off on a cattle drive of walkers, or it was just a coincidence. They never mention it. I believe these Wolves have a leader, maybe similar to the governor, and he did see the opportunity to either invade or capture Alexandria while our band of people are out saving the world from walkers.

Lot's of questions, like most episodes and we are hungering for more.

Just loved the way they dressed Carol as a sort of Ninja.

Oh and welcome McGiants to our thread. We have been dissecting the Walking Dead for a few years now. There are more things to talk about than JUST the giants.  :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:

Right about the horn thing. I love how they just tie things together in the oddest ways, but it all does add up in the end.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 19, 2015, 01:41:34 PM
It was revealed that the Wolves had pictures of Alexandria and their "security" so we know they've been watching from afar - or not so afar. They must have known that Rick and Daryl are their stronger members and weren't around so it was the right time to strike. The clothes Carol was wearing she got from one of the Wolves she killed. She just knows how to blend in and use it to her advantage. That makes her more dangerous to whatever enemies she must face.

One question that was left unanswered was - the trailer of the truck. What anything in it? Last year I had a theory that the Wolves would bring in a truck full of walkers and let them loose on the Alexandrians. They never revealed if the trailer was empty or not. Also, we learned just how vulnerable the citizens of Alexandria really are - and how unprepared they are as well. It is unusual that the Wolves don't have guns, but maybe they don't because they planned a sneak attack and guns would've given them away quicker.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 19, 2015, 06:47:21 PM
I understand where Carol got the 'costume' from, what I meant was just the irony of sort of dressing her up like a ninja warrior because she sure is all of that--fearless.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 19, 2015, 07:05:40 PM
I see what you're saying and Carol is definitely fearless.

One thing I've been thinking about and I hope the show brings it up at some point is what happened to Morgan during his quest to catch up with Rick. As it is, we don't know. Who did he encounter? How did he survive? Who did he meet along the way? And last, but not least - what made him change his mind about killing others in order to survive? The Wolves were killing unarmed innocent civilians and Morgan didn't feel it was necessary to kill them to protect the rest of Alexandria. He let several of them go and told them (the Wolves) that the people in Alexandria have guns while they (the Wolves) do not. That could be dangerous if the Wolves decide to arm themselves with guns and other more advanced weapons. Is there a tie-in between Morgan and the Wolves? It kind of looks like it from a certain perspective, but at this time it's unknown.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 19, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
I can clear one of these observations up. the bag with the photos was "lost" when Daryl and whats his face got caught up at the food distributers where the wolves were loading up the trucks if you remember.
 I think we will find out where Morgan was, prolly a "flashback" episode, as someone had to teach him how to use the staff the way he does.,
 The lack of guns by the wolves I would think would be the the idea of a stealth attack on civilians. Didn't work as they fucked with the wrong group. Especially my hero Carol who has no problem disposing of people she deems a threat. Wow what a great little homemaker isn't she?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 19, 2015, 08:10:40 PM
Another terrific episode.  It was so great to see Carol kicking ass.   It's interesting to see how different Carol and Morgan approach things.   I think the group or Alexandria may regret Morgan's decision to let the wolves escape with a gun. 

JSS! 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on October 20, 2015, 01:05:40 AM
Just got done watching this week's episode. I needed something light to watch after the embarrassing loss to the Eagles.

I agree Weeze re: the pictures. The guy's name is Aaron, and he left his bag in the car. When the wolves came back and rounded up all the walkers they found it. It's how the wolves discovered Alexandria.

I'll have to go back and rewatch this part but when Carol kills the woman on the steps I noticed flowers off to the side. Was the woman facing them when Carol plunged the knife into her?   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 20, 2015, 07:09:09 AM
Just got done watching this week's episode. I needed something light to watch after the embarrassing loss to the Eagles.

I agree Weeze re: the pictures. The guy's name is Aaron, and he left his bag in the car. When the wolves came back and rounded up all the walkers they found it. It's how the wolves discovered Alexandria.

I'll have to go back and rewatch this part but when Carol kills the woman on the steps I noticed flowers off to the side. Was the woman facing them when Carol plunged the knife into her?

I am confused by that.   I thought the wolves were the people banished from Alexandria
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 20, 2015, 02:42:44 PM
The other thing that bothered me about the show was Carl showing mercy to the wolf.  Here is a kid that shoots first and asks questions later.  Why he didn't put the murderous marauder down first thing is baffling
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 20, 2015, 02:50:13 PM
wolves didn't know about Alexandria until they found the fotos and the map to the place so I don't think they were ever banished. however the thing with Carl not plugging that guy I agree, that made no sense.
all survivors need to be like Carol, if you feel threatened, just kill them. no remorse, no thought , just eliminate the threat. no second chances.
 Ive always been on team Daryl, but from the time that rick banished carol, which I said at the time I just didn't understand, shes the assassin of the group. Shes one tuff son of a gun! plus , lets face it what a great great character she is.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 20, 2015, 05:51:31 PM
The other thing that bothered me about the show was Carl showing mercy to the wolf.  Here is a kid that shoots first and asks questions later.  Why he didn't put the murderous marauder down first thing is baffling

C'mon guys! Really? Don't remember trying to impress the ladies in High School? Teenage boy (Carl) sees little cutie snuggling up to "distraught" other teen boy (who just had his father killed!  :( ). Now, with the town under attack he sees his chance! Carl will show her how he can protect her. protect the other teen boy (that's right, b*tch. I saved your a** right in front of MY girl that you were making moves on!), AND be merciful to the attacker. Of course he isn't going to blow the "wolves" head of right in front of his honey if he can avoid it!  Carl's using a different part of his body to make decisions in that moment! We've all made REALLY bad decisions for a pair of long eyelashes.  ;) Can't blame Carl for acting like a lustful teenage boy! Especially, since Carl's options are pretty damned limited!!!  :doh:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 21, 2015, 05:43:08 AM
If Carl wants to impress Enid, he should get a haircut. He looks like he's wearing a helmet or something. His hair sits strangely on his head.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 21, 2015, 11:12:34 AM
If Carl wants to impress Enid, he should get a haircut. He looks like he's wearing a helmet or something. His hair sits strangely on his head.

Look at it this way, the one person who cuts hair is the mother of the kid trying to steal Carl's girl AND the wife of the guy Carl's dad shot in the face. Under those circumstances, would you let her cut your hair?  :scared:  :o
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 21, 2015, 11:32:15 AM
Yea, but the Mom was abused for a long time. She now is a free woman and maybe her and Rick have things in common. How would it be, her and Rick hook up so that Carl and the guy Enid likes are step brothers?  =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 21, 2015, 11:37:35 AM
Yea, but the Mom was abused for a long time. She now is a free woman and maybe her and Rick have things in common. How would it be, her and Rick hook up so that Carl and the guy Enid likes are step brothers?  =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Well, Lenn, it does take place in the South, after all... ;), so they should be used to "interesting" family dynamics.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 22, 2015, 02:00:02 PM
I would never put a "spoiler" up and I hope no one else ever does in the thread we have here BUT
 it looks like AMC has a 90 minute block for episode 4. Its rumored that this will include some info about where whats his face has been and where he learned to use that staff. so I guess Ive spoiled the idea he will get killed off this week so If you think that is a spoiler say so, I don't think that info is but other people might.
 besides this week theres 10,421 walkers headed for the home site! how the heck are you gonna shoot that many? ya cant so should be a a killer again this week.
 season six, 2 episodes in has been one mother of a show I think.
 I cleaned my AK again, just in case they come down clearview drive!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 25, 2015, 10:16:33 PM
man oh man, nobody can ever say these writers don't have big balls.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 26, 2015, 02:31:02 AM
I've been reading some speculation that (somebody - give spoilers? Not me!) is still alive because their name wasn't mentioned on the list of those lost in the episode on Talking Dead. I don't know how they would have been able to survive that though.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on October 26, 2015, 09:15:20 AM
******* may be alive and well, (not sure how they'll pull it off though). Rewatch the trailers for this season and there's many scenes of ******* that haven't happened yet.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 26, 2015, 09:49:57 AM
Looks like Rick is in a real tight spot too. I wonder how he'll get out of it.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 26, 2015, 12:10:08 PM
is it possible our hero Glenn actually dies in the middle of about 3,000 walkers? after he called Rick "dumbass" I knew it was gonna be a bad time for glenn. then ya got RV's that don't start [do they ever on this show?} more references to past episodes then you can shake a stick at. I don't believe Glenn can die by being eaten by 3000 walkers. It would take at least 5,000! internet is exploding with theories about he climbs through a rusted out bottom of the dumpster like rick went up the escape hatch of the tank? would they do that to us? I don't think so but these writers have been one step ahead of the viewers since day one. I know this, keep away from walking dead postings especially on utube!
 there is one guy ...TREV"S CHANNEL 2 and he does a lot of videos on the show and hes really good at making them "SPOILER ALERT" for the ones you don't want to see. I do however , watch his "review" OF EACH EPISODE AS HE OFFERS NO SPOILERS. so I really enjoy that.
 what a show, these writers are freaking on acid or something. in my humble opinion in my life Ive never seen a show like this. season 6 has turned into the best season they've ever done and its only 3 eps in.
 yikes!, even had trouble sleeping last night.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 26, 2015, 02:35:47 PM
I really can't see any way for Glenn to escape that. With that many walkers around him, even if he managed to crawl under the dumpster, the walkers pushing against it would move it around. Apparently a lot of people can't believe that a main character will be killed off unless it's a mid-season or season finale. But, that's exactly why it would work to have him die. No one would expect it. If the writers want to keep us on our toes, then they should have it that way. I really hope they don't weasel their way out of that scenario and find some lame way to have him survive that. It would be a very tough pill to swallow.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on October 26, 2015, 03:37:31 PM
If that's not Glenn being eaten  (maybe the other guy fell on top of him) I can't see how he escapes. But, has any other main character died without anyone witnessing?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 26, 2015, 06:18:20 PM
WOW, what an episode.
Our guys are really in the deep do do here.

Glenn, well what can one say. There are reports that when he fell off the dumpster, the guy fell on top of him and it's his innards that we see the walkers drooling over. I thought the exact same thing, if he hasn't been eaten yet, how can he possibly escape this one. (Maybe it's all a dream and he'll wake up in Magies arms). If he could manage to get under the dumpster he would be safe for a while. If, like Weeze said, he could manage to get into the dumpster, there is no way the walkers can get to him, but it's all speculation. Each season some have to go and maybe it is Glenn's turn. We sure lost a lot of people in this episodes and Rick is in one hell of a predicament. Maybe Daryl, who really hasn't done anything this entire season, will show up with a trail of tin cans on his bike and lead the walkers back to the herd and then Glenn can reappear.

But, as has been said, with this show you just never know who survives from week to week. Gosh, we never felt they would behead Hershel, and Beth goes down also, so maybe it is time for Glenn to look for other work.

Next week can't come fast enough and even then we may not know his fate. Tell you what though, if they find a way to keep Glenn alive, the show would lose some of that credibility that keeps us glued here each and every week. Then it becomes a regular TB show where the hero's can never die, no matter what the predicament.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 26, 2015, 06:45:28 PM
Exactly, Lenn. When you think about it, there's really no realistic escape for Glenn. He was completely surrounded by walkers and even if it was Nicholas's body they were feasting on, how could Glenn possibly get under the dumpster without getting bit by one of the walkers - and with another guy's body on top of him? Yes, it sucks if he's really dead, but this is the zombie apocalypse. Nobody's really safe and anyone can go at any time. That's what I love about the fact that Glenn went as he did (if he's really dead). It was unexpected and very tragic. If he's still alive because of some iffy writing then the show will take a hit in credibility.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 26, 2015, 06:48:47 PM
I just cant believe that these writers would stoop, and I do think that's the correct word, stoop, to some sort of "return of Bobby Ewing" type of stuff. irst they don't NEED to. More importantly that's not what they would do. its cheap and its just not fitting for a TV show that is in my opinion again, more intelligently written then any show Ive ever seen. I just cant see them doing that. If they do, I would be so disappointed.
 I know the ratings have slipped a little bit, at least the TV ratings have but that doesn't include watching it online[total pain in the ass with ads}, the people that miss a episode because their team is on sunday night football and then you just tune in the next week since they run them 2 or three episodes every week.
 These guys have totally got my attention and seeing this is based in a comic book? with this talent these folks have huge careers ahead of them.
 Only thing that may jeopardize the machine this tv show is would be people wanting more money. they just got raises to 90k per episode. now actors sometimes feel trapped and want to do other projects but 90k a episode plus god knows how much they are getting for all the crap they sell, that might add up to more then the per episode pay theyre getting/no reason this show wont be around another 4 years easily.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 26, 2015, 06:57:52 PM
oh another thought. since the show hit the air the comic books have sold really well. you can go and get books that hold a bunch of issues , in order of course and read all of them back to the beginning. now, I haven't ever read one but there certainly are a lot of people who have and they watch the show also. The tv writers have even fooled, misled, and kept the show fresh for those folks. Again I think these writers are just in some sort of other category.
plus they obviously laugh at a "budget". the season premier is rumored to have cost over 2 million dollars with 1000 people in make up. Oh and the second episode generated 11 million in tv ads just for the one night. that's some serious income for a tv show!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 26, 2015, 08:58:54 PM
I just cant believe that these writers would stoop, and I do think that's the correct word, stoop, to some sort of "return of Bobby Ewing" type of stuff. irst they don't NEED to. More importantly that's not what they would do. its cheap and its just not fitting for a TV show that is in my opinion again, more intelligently written then any show Ive ever seen. I just cant see them doing that. If they do, I would be so disappointed.
 I know the ratings have slipped a little bit, at least the TV ratings have but that doesn't include watching it online[total pain in the ass with ads}, the people that miss a episode because their team is on sunday night football and then you just tune in the next week since they run them 2 or three episodes every week.
 These guys have totally got my attention and seeing this is based in a comic book? with this talent these folks have huge careers ahead of them.
 Only thing that may jeopardize the machine this tv show is would be people wanting more money. they just got raises to 90k per episode. now actors sometimes feel trapped and want to do other projects but 90k a episode plus god knows how much they are getting for all the crap they sell, that might add up to more then the per episode pay theyre getting/no reason this show wont be around another 4 years easily.

I don't watch a whole lot of TV, or seen many newer type movies, but I really don't recall seeing many of these actors/actresses doing other type of work in their 'off season'. They are only filming, what, 16 episodes a year or so, so that would leave them plenty of time to do other things. But I really haven't seen these people all over the tube, even though they are all pretty famous now.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 27, 2015, 08:42:39 AM
The internet is abuzz with is Glen dead or not.  The popular theory is he has Nicholas on top of him and Glen somehow gets under the dumpster.

Why didn't they kill the poor guy on the other side of the fence that was being eaten alive.  It seemed cruel not to.

Another outstanding edge of your seat episode.

On a side note I cringed when Rick shut off the RV.  I was thinking the last thing you would do is shut off an engine and hope it starts at the critical moment
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on October 27, 2015, 09:01:46 AM
Why didn't they kill the poor guy on the other side of the fence that was being eaten alive.  It seemed cruel not to.
I thought the exact same thing. Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 27, 2015, 12:09:51 PM
I thought the exact same thing. Makes no sense.

Mercy killing. They've done it several times before so I don't know why they didn't there. I think the show was trying to play up the note that David (??) wrote before he died. To which Michonne wrote on her arm "we're getting home". With Glenn possibly dead, I can imagine Maggie finding the note and thinking it was written for her by Glenn. Or did the guy who wrote it put the woman's name it was intended for on it? I can't recall.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 27, 2015, 01:48:17 PM
the note had the wifes name on it and it was on the other side of the gate where it couldn't be retrieved.
on another sort of note,  It does seem like a odd way to knock off a main character. I mean theres no one to report glens death. odd, very odd.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 27, 2015, 02:45:16 PM
It was sudden and unexpected, which is how life is sometimes. I expected him to go by defending Maggie or someone close to him. If he really is dead, then it's truly tragic the way he went. If someone in the group found his body it would be a horrible shock.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on October 27, 2015, 04:05:17 PM
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced Glenn is still with us. How they pull it off, and whether or not I buy into it remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on October 27, 2015, 10:26:37 PM
Wow!! Go to google and in the search bar type in one simple, two letter word: is  -  check out the first hit.

Gimple has certainly thrown folks for a loop. This series has power.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 28, 2015, 03:39:47 PM
I "hope" Glen is dead. Allow me to explain. I feel I got burned by watching "Fear". Writing was abysmal. There is no PLAUSIBLE way for Glen to survive this. Could the guts be the other guy? Sure. But Glen's face is fully exposed and we all know from past episodes where people died that the walkers have NO problem starting their meal at the face. Escape to the dumpster? Not unless Scotty "beams" him there. Watch it again. Walkers have Glen fully surrounded. No way to get to the dumpster w/o getting bit. If Glen lives, we have ventured into "Fear" territory where common sense and any semblance of reality has disappeared forever. If Glen lives, I think it will be TWD's "jump the shark" moment. It will be forsaking the quality that came before for a cheap gimmick. Glen's humanity - trying to save a guy who was already dead - cost him his life. If we are being honest, we kinda knew that's how Glen would go. Being humane gets you killed and Glen has dodged way too many bullets being humane for it not to catch up with him eventually. If, somehow, we see Glen alive and well down the road, I will go on record that we will all look back on that as the turning point for the series. It insults our intelligence to think there is a way out. RIP Glen or RIP TWD. We'll see which one really "dies".   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 28, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
I thought the exact same thing. Makes no sense.

In full agreement here. Seemed sadistic, in fact.  :boooo:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 28, 2015, 04:09:26 PM
I don't watch a whole lot of TV, or seen many newer type movies, but I really don't recall seeing many of these actors/actresses doing other type of work in their 'off season'. They are only filming, what, 16 episodes a year or so, so that would leave them plenty of time to do other things. But I really haven't seen these people all over the tube, even though they are all pretty famous now.

The actor that plays Daryl just wrapped up a movie. As did the actor that plays Glen. Andy Lincoln has been doing a TV movie pretty much every year during the breaks. Also, I believe a number of them are Brits and may do theatre and/or the BBC. So, they could be working in the UK, but that's just speculation on my part.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 28, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
My wife deleted the episode off my dvr!  ~X(  Divorce papers filed (kidding). Did Rick get his hand bit? He clearly got wounded in that encounter with walkers, but I did not see exactly what happened. Can anyone verify bite or not?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 28, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
My wife deleted the episode off my dvr!  ~X(  Divorce papers filed (kidding). Did Rick get his hand bit? He clearly got wounded in that encounter with walkers, but I did not see exactly what happened. Can anyone verify bite or not?

I played that back.  The one walker had the large knife sticking through its torso.  When Rick went to kill it, he cut his hand on that knife.  At least that's what I saw in the replay of it
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 28, 2015, 05:28:41 PM
I played that back.  The one walker had the large knife sticking through its torso.  When Rick went to kill it, he cut his hand on that knife.  At least that's what I saw in the replay of it


Much thanks, Rich! Hmmmm, does that mean it can kill like a bite does? Since we do not know what "it" is that causes this - although the CDC episode pretty much pointed towards viral - if the knife is in the torso of a walker, is it then contaminated enough to kill if it pierces living human flesh?   :-?? Wonder if Rick was wondering the same thing before a more immediate threat made itself known? This could be even more ground shaking than Glen's "is he or isn't he" plot line. Unlike Glen, this could go either way and be 100% plausible. That is if Rick can get out the more immediate crisis intact.  :o
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 28, 2015, 05:40:14 PM
totally agree, this whole thing is Glenn alive or dead has reached epic heights on the web. I guess no more surfing this week, and more likely 2 weeks till we find out for sure unless it just explodes. I suppose no amount of security can keep the jerks from spoiling our fun.
 If he survives because hes covered in the other guys guts Im gonna be really disappointed, don't pull this xxxxxxxx, its too well done.
 sigh!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Giant Obsession on October 28, 2015, 11:24:26 PM
I totally agree about "if" Glenn is still alive. 

However, 2 immediate thoughts that have already occured make it plausible.

1. The weaker of the 2 premises....remember when the "Governor" was trapped in the warehouse with nothing but a pistol and was being swarmed on in the warehouse but miraculously "survived".

2. And this is the premise they (the writers), to me, will have to use.  Season 1, when Rick had just met Glenn and the people trapped in the building in Atlanta.  When they escaped thru the wandering crowd of zombies, Rick had them smear zombie guts, blood, etc all over themselves because it masked the smell that they were the "living".  Glenn having a fesh victim on top of him, he is being splayed with guts, blood, etc from that victim.  You see where I am going with this.

Either one, if correct, will still be disappointing from a realism standpoint.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 29, 2015, 03:17:52 AM
I totally agree about "if" Glenn is still alive. 

However, 2 immediate thoughts that have already occured make it plausible.

1. The weaker of the 2 premises....remember when the "Governor" was trapped in the warehouse with nothing but a pistol and was being swarmed on in the warehouse but miraculously "survived".

2. And this is the premise they (the writers), to me, will have to use.  Season 1, when Rick had just met Glenn and the people trapped in the building in Atlanta.  When they escaped thru the wandering crowd of zombies, Rick had them smear zombie guts, blood, etc all over themselves because it masked the smell that they were the "living".  Glenn having a fesh victim on top of him, he is being splayed with guts, blood, etc from that victim.  You see where I am going with this.

Either one, if correct, will still be disappointing from a realism standpoint.


I remember the scene with the Governor well and I was disappointed in that one. It felt cheap and gimmicky. But, to the writers credit, the Governor was standing, the number of walkers was less than Glen has, the Governor still had ammo and another weapon and, since chains were hanging down all around, had a semi-plausible chance to climb away from the walkers on the chains. Glen has none of that.

As for smearing the zombie guts, that's just it, it had to be zombie guts. That's why the stench was unbearable. It was in full decay. The guts on top of Glen was a fresh kill. Not even a minute old. And the victim had not turned. If Glen was to use those guts, would it not be merely frosting on the cake?

I suspect you may have nailed it with option #1. It will be some "miracle" escape a la the Governor. It will be very disappointing because I had hoped the show had grown to the point where it was better than that. What's next? A whiny, totally unlikable teenage junkie and a giant yacht?  ~X(  I like the character Glen and, personally, would like to see the character survive. But, I cannot imagine a plausible explanation for a small guy on the ground, pinned under the weight of a 150 to 170 lb dead man, totally surrounded by walkers feasting on the corpse, while said walkers ignore the opportunity to feed on Glen and he somehow manages to escape from under the dead body, get himself off the ground, and with only a knife in one hand, kill enough walkers in a herd of at least 100 to escape to the "safety" of a garbage dumpster. If Glen was standing and NOT pinned under a dead body, I would find his escape difficult to swallow. On the ground and pinned? I admit it. I have no idea how they are going to manage to sell us that one. Here's the scene again for anyone who wants to try to find a pathway to Glen's escape. Me, I just do not see it. I think Glen's gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9fzVW0LUOA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9fzVW0LUOA)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 29, 2015, 01:13:07 PM
Rewatching that scene, they are sure making you believe that it is Glenn innards that are being eaten, He has that agonizing face on him that sure suggests he is the one being eaten. PLUS, even though we know the other guy fell on top of him, he is NO WHERE to be seen in that clip. Not a hair of him can be seen. Again, they are sure going out of their way to make it seem as if it is Glenn that is being devoured,

BUT, and there is always a but, he is still laying right next to the dumpster and IF, possibly he could get under it, he could be safe for a little bit. The only way he can survive (and the same can be said for Rick) is for some one to make enough noise for the Walkers to head in another direction. There simply isn't any other way for them to survive. Yes, if Glenn could get some dead walker blood and smear it all over him, he could manage to blend in, but again, not really a huge option.

After watching this show for all these years, and even though Glenn is a main character, right from the get go, I see no reason why Glenn should not be killed off. Yes he is popular, but so was Shane, Hershel, Beth Tyresse, Bob and many others. Life has to go on and it would be a huge cop out for them to protect Glenn when they simply let the others die. As I said, they have gone out of their way to sure make it seem Glenn has been eaten. They aren't stupid. That is all everyone is talking about, from 5 minutes after the show ended, right up until next weeks episode. The show was losing a bit in the rating, well this will sure make more people watch, whether or not Glenn survives, we are all talking.

Say goodnight to Glenn.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 29, 2015, 02:55:58 PM
At first I liked Glenn. He was young and cocky. So much that he called Rick a dumbass. But once he met Maggie and their relationship blossomed, Glenn started to become soft. He can still handle himself and still has (or had) his humanity, but he was different. His concern was more about Maggie. Let me say, that I've stated elsewhere that I don't see the point of having a romantic relationship during the zombie apocalypse because anyone could go at anytime. Just one slip and you're gone. As Mick told Rocky - women weaken legs. So is the sense here. Glenn hasn't been the same person once he got involved with Maggie. I didn't find Glenn to be that interesting as of late so his dying doesn't really matter to me - but for the sake of keeping viewers on the edge of their seat, it makes perfect sense to have a main character die off unexpectedly. Fans expect that to happen during a finale or mid-season finale. It throws us off to have it happen unexpectedly and really worry about the rest of the group. Any of them could go at any time. That's where the suspense of the show comes into play. So for that matter, let's hope Glenn is really gone and they don't use some lame cop out to keep him alive.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 30, 2015, 08:12:47 AM
Watched "Talking Dead" last night and my take on Gimple's message to fans is NOT that Glen is alive, but, rather, that they will give us fans "closure" in a later episode.

“In some way we will see Glenn — some version of Glenn or parts of Glenn — again. Either in flashback or the current story to help complete the story.”

Gimple’s statement came after Talking Dead‘s weekly in memoriam segment curiously did not include Glenn. Also somewhat telling: Yeun did not appear as a guest on the after show (a Talking Dead exit interview has become something of a rite of passage for fallen Walking Dead actors).

Obviously, my take is my own. But, I do not feel that is an indicator that Glen is alive.  :no: I think it's just a reassurance that we, the viewers, will get finality and confirmation of Glen's death. Any one have a different read on it? Not to argue, because it is just speculation, and we are all entitled to our own opinion. But I am curious if any of you read Gimple's statement differently and now feel certain that Glen is alive.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 30, 2015, 08:51:50 AM
I enjoy these inside the episode


http://www.amc.com/shows/the-walking-dead/video-extras/season-06/episode-03/inside-episode-603-the-walking-dead-thank-you (http://www.amc.com/shows/the-walking-dead/video-extras/season-06/episode-03/inside-episode-603-the-walking-dead-thank-you)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Hadron on October 31, 2015, 07:15:06 PM
Not gonna lie: I've really enjoyed this season so far. Probably the most out of the recent seasons.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 02, 2015, 10:30:45 AM
Just finished watching this weeks episode and it was a completely different one than I expected. For 90 minutes we had just 2 people who still made the episode fascinating.

Sure we all wanted to know about Glenn, rick and the others, but knowing TWD, we all knew they weren't going to give us anything on them for a few weeks.

Now we know all there is to know about Morgan, like it or not.

Personally, I felt they could have done it in 60 minutes instead of 90, but it was an easy watch and enjoyable.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 03, 2015, 01:50:41 AM
Lenn - I had it on the dvr, which I realize alters your sense of how long a program is because you skip all the commercials. I had no idea it was a 90 minute episode until they mentioned it on "Talking Dead". I thought it flowed well and was easy to watch. What I really liked, which I hoped they would do more of, was the walk through the psychological scarring the characters endure. I would think the closest experience to this kind of horror was the Black Death during the Middle Ages. 1/3 of Europe gone in a blink. No escape because the victims and the survivors had no idea what caused it. The plague ran it's course and the walkers have not, so our survivors trauma goes on and on and on. I also liked that they showed Morgan is not "cured". Confronted by the man he murdered, he went right back into survival/suicide mode. Which I suspect we will see, yet again, in Alexandria. Morgan is, understandably, fragile. What happens if Morgan, re-traumatized, feels he has to "clear" Alexandria? Really enjoying this season. Wonder if part of that is my psychological scarring from "FtWD"?  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 16, 2015, 05:03:30 PM
So no one saw last weeks episode or cared to comment on it?

I was away and just got to watch last week and yesterdays episodes.

You know what, personally, I really didn't think much of either of them.In fact yesterdays show, I almost fell asleep. It was good to see Daryl getting some air time, but really not much action, not much in the way of new visions for the series. Just buying time to we get to see if Glenn is alive or dead?

Was that him with the very last word on the walkie talkie? 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 16, 2015, 08:23:58 PM
maybe you should watch last nights episode again.
 Ive noticed this before ,that is, you don't seem to "like" episodes that don't have a lot of walker action in them. Hey we are all different in how we see things but last nights episode was LOADED with tips, hints and one big revelation and that is theres a new group of bozos on the bus. they've got vehicles and weapons and theyre chasing the guy that stole Daryls little red wagon.
 Speaking of which,, heres our hero out in the woods, no weapon but his knife, no radio, no food or water and nothing but a really overwhelming desire to beat the hell out of the guy who stole his little red wagon after he helped him out, returned the insulin, etc. You think those two are getting away? really?
 who called for help on the radio? Glenn, or that other punk? doesn't that perk your interest?
 Abraham is a dawg. gotta love the guy but Rosita isn't gonna be too pleased to find out Mr. Muttonchops with the itchy ass has been messing with little miss shoot your eye out at 1000 yards.
 and exactly what do you suppose those RPGs are gonna be used for? after all the walkers are "20 deep" around the perimeter of the sanctuary? Ill bet my last bagel you are gonna see them blow up some serious walkers or interlopers.
 I'm amazed every week at this show.
 I'm not even gonna go into the Daryl on a cross thing in the woods. too much Christianity , actually Anglican Church to be precisely that I see in it. Tell you something else too, every time we see this kind of stuff somebody gets bumped off too.
  so there ya go my friend, I guess we all take different views. I "think" you should look for more symbolism then you are.
 ESPECIALLY SOME TIME, SOMEDAY, WE ARE GONNA FIGGER OUT WHAT THE LETTER "A' REPRESENTS!!!!! golly its everywhere and outside of the fact that the word 'the" is above the letter A in the title, that's the one that's driving me nuts.
 so Lenn, are you a "Glennayer"? you know someone who thinks Glenn isn't dead but deep down you know he is or are you thinking that's him on the radio and he's still kicking? I have my belief but I aint gonna tell anyone.  :D :D :what:
 

 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 16, 2015, 08:42:53 PM
I gotta vote with weeze on this one. Aren't these episodes absolutely necessary to further the character development to make these characters "people" we know and understand? Isn't the LACK of character development one of the primary things we found so infuriating about "Fear"? I think we are building something big here and this is the pouring of the foundation. I will say that the "walkers under glass" scene was WAY too predictable. The moment the diabetic girl talked about how she used to babysit for them you could see the bite coming. Finally, anyone else interested in knowing whether that fuel truck is full of gas? A little gas, a little rpg, .... I sense a barbecue coming up!  <:-P
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 16, 2015, 08:49:45 PM
yeah HEY that's right!!!!!!!!!! theyre driving a GAS truck for god's sake. lets see here what do we have"
a gas truck full of gas
a few cases of RPGs
a box of cigars
bad guys on the road shooting everything up
20 deep at the walls of Alexandria
 and ABE with a military background
so what could go wrong? would Passover be Passover without the Manishevitz? Inquiring minds want, no, DEMAND to know!
 :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on November 16, 2015, 10:49:23 PM
I gotta vote with weeze on this one. Aren't these episodes absolutely necessary to further the character development to make these characters "people" we know and understand? Isn't the LACK of character development one of the primary things we found so infuriating about "Fear"? I think we are building something big here and this is the pouring of the foundation. I will say that the "walkers under glass" scene was WAY too predictable. The moment the diabetic girl talked about how she used to babysit for them you could see the bite coming. Finally, anyone else interested in knowing whether that fuel truck is full of gas? A little gas, a little rpg, .... I sense a barbecue coming up!  <:-P
I saw it much the same way, character building and plot thickening. Last night's "Always Accountable" is to TWD as "Fly" was to Breaking Bad. Kind of.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 16, 2015, 11:41:38 PM
Remember, weeze, what did they tell Daryl? "When we thought everyone was fighting the walkers, we drove the truck into the woods, covered it with gas, lit it up, and burned the walkers out. The flames drew the others in and we thought we were in the clear." Loosely quoted, I know. I already deleted the episode off the dvr. Sorry. But if that truck still has gas in it, do we have a bonfire outside Alexandria? Can they keep under control? Does that open the door to another wolf attack? What about our teenage mystery girl who is, supposedly, still out in the woods? Will Carl try to save her from the flames? Will Rick have to save Carl? will Morgan have to save Rick?  :crazy:

Found this for us to have some fun with. The "help" cry. My vote, no way that's Glen. Anyone feel it is Glen?

http://www.vulture.com/2015/11/heres-the-voice-from-the-end-of-walking-dead.html (http://www.vulture.com/2015/11/heres-the-voice-from-the-end-of-walking-dead.html)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 17, 2015, 01:54:39 PM
Maybe I am out for more action in most of the shows, and YES, I understand that there has to be character development, bu t this season sort of reminds me of when they all fled the prison, and each week they sort of delved on each small group but not the entire group as a whole.

I hate it when some of my favorite people, like Carol, are completely missing from an entire episode (or two). It's like each member has to have so much air time. Who is next? Eugene?

And to my alligator wrestler friend, I fully understand that they need to drop subtle clues as to what and where thing happen or may happen, but when Talking Dead comes on and they have to really reach to show what walkers died this past week, you know it was a whole lot more talk then action. If I want talk I'll watch Dr Phil.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 17, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
well, ok , hey your entitled to enjoy the show for whatever reason. Its not that you are missing these,,,,, clues I guess youd call them.
 BUT, I WILL ask you this my friend......what the heck is up with the letter A being written everywhere, every episode? I mean really, its done for some reason.
 and besides, you just got the hots for Carol, ya old lech!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 17, 2015, 04:09:11 PM
She is one fine woman there.  :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:

And she can cook   <:-P <:-P <:-P <:-P
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on November 17, 2015, 08:02:48 PM
I thought the episode this week was a little off. I think it was the Abraham/Rosita part. Just seemed awkward. Apparently Daryl has changed a lot since the show started. He used to not trust people and even though they knocked him out and tied him up, Daryl was still helping the three people in the woods. And in return, they took his bike, his beloved crossbow - basically everything - and left him with a statue/figurine.

As for the voice on the radio, I don't think it was Glenn. I think it was the guy who took Daryl's bike. Being stupid they got themselves into a jam.

As for the previous week's episode, I found it boring. I have absolutely no interest in the Alexandrians. The fact that they don't know how to protect themselves has been well stated. Now they want to learn. About time. I think most of them are filler and will eventually be killed off. In fact, one of the problems with the show is that there's too many characters to keep up with. Plus, the story has now been dragging along over the events of basically 2 or 3 days. They need to move on.

Last, but not least, on the side of logic I feel that Glenn is dead. I didn't see any way for him to possibly get out that situation. I've heard theories and all that but it's going to take a big stretch in story telling for him to be alive.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 18, 2015, 10:48:29 PM
Even after Glenn, Rick was in the camper, completely surrounded by walkers, yet they never explained how he got out. When we saw him again, he was running as fast as he could toward Alexandria and safety.

So how did he get free of the camper and those walkers?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on November 19, 2015, 12:42:28 AM
Even after Glenn, Rick was in the camper, completely surrounded by walkers, yet they never explained how he got out. When we saw him again, he was running as fast as he could toward Alexandria and safety.

So how did he get free of the camper and those walkers?
Yeah, that certainly needs an explanation. Who knows, maybe they'll cover it in a flashback.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 19, 2015, 11:42:23 AM
She is one fine woman there.  :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:

And she can cook   <:-P <:-P <:-P <:-P

Lenn - You're a braver man than I to eat Carol's cooking. Seems like she would serve you with a smile and plunge the knife in your head when the poison kicked in!  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on November 21, 2015, 07:03:24 PM
Even after Glenn, Rick was in the camper, completely surrounded by walkers, yet they never explained how he got out. When we saw him again, he was running as fast as he could toward Alexandria and safety.

So how did he get free of the camper and those walkers?

Apparently Rick is a superhero or an antihero or something along those lines. In a mobile home, there are different ways to exit. Out the side or out the top. My guess is he exited on top and before they surrounded the mobile home (last I recall they were only on one side of it), jumped down and took off running. Probably had to take out a few along the way?

Side note: We're coming up on yet another mid-season finale. That's one thing I'm really coming to dislike about AMC and cable TV as a whole. They can't get through the full season without taking a break. That kills the mood for the story. Leaving viewers on a cliffhanger and they won't know for several months what will happen. Sure it'll keep them talking and speculating, but to have to wait for several months, by the time the show resumes, it's possible several of us forgot where they left off. I really wish they'd put an end to mid-season finale. After all, if it's the middle of the season, it can't be a finale. *End of rant.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Giant Obsession on November 23, 2015, 11:00:14 AM
OK, so glenn lives.    Nice of the walkers who were grabbing for his fresh meat to give up an leave en masse on both sides of the fence.

When writers do stuff like that, it shows they are playing on your show loyalty...because that is WEAK writing and indicative that they are starting to view us as viewers incapable of logic and reason, so why work too hard.

I still love the show., but Glenn and Rick escaping the RV......kind of insulting.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 23, 2015, 08:08:36 PM
I thought this weeks episode was an excellent one. Wasn't filled with 'action' but it held ones interest the entire hour. As they explained on Talking Dead, showing Glenn and how he escaped right from the get go, started the episode off on a high note and it continued the entire show. There doesn't have to be mass murder of walkers to make a show exciting. As I said previously, I felt the two past shows were slow, but not here.

I agree with Mike though. We all said if they find a way for Glenn to just escape, the show will lose dome credibility with the public. I think we nailed it though, saying, IF Glenn was to escapee, he would find a way under that dumpster and be safe there.

But for reasons that only I know, I still find the show so exciting. Like when Enid had the gun on Glenn, I never really knew if she would shoot him. You just never know what is coming next. I really thought that would have been the ultimate irony that Glenn escapes all those walkers, tries valiantly to help Enid, and she turns around and shoots him dead. For me, the realm of that happening is a real possibility and that is what makes this show so great. It didn't happen, but you just never know?????????????

I also liked how they seem to be lowering the boom on Morgan. Will he get banned, when and if there is any part of Alexandria left..............
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 24, 2015, 12:54:32 AM
OK, so glenn lives.    Nice of the walkers who were grabbing for his fresh meat to give up an leave en masse on both sides of the fence.

When writers do stuff like that, it shows they are playing on your show loyalty...because that is WEAK writing and indicative that they are starting to view us as viewers incapable of logic and reason, so why work too hard.

I still love the show., but Glenn and Rick escaping the RV......kind of insulting.

Rick, I felt, could be plausible. After all, they were only coming towards the RV on one side. Glen, I have to admit, has kind of dampened my enthusiasm for the show.  :boooo:  I see why they waited to show the "escape" Glen fell AWAY from the dumpster with a man slightly larger and heavier on him. Ignoring the fact that the walkers would have ripped BOTH men to shreds, ignoring that Glen was pinned down and probably would have sustained at least a fracture or two upon contact with the pavement, how did Glen's head manage to make it right by the dumpster? If the dumpster was north, Glen fell away from the dumpster towards the south. In other words, the dumpster was at 12 o'clock and Glen's head was at 6 o'clock in the original episode. Now, Glen's head is at 12 o'clock, right by the dumpster? Two walkers out of a hundred tried to get at Glen under the dumpster and then the others saw it didn't work, so they gave up? :boooo: For me, this was a worse "sin" than the middle finger they gave us called "Fear".

https://variety.com/2015/tv/opinion/walking-dead-glenn-alive-heads-up-recap-607-1201646493/ (https://variety.com/2015/tv/opinion/walking-dead-glenn-alive-heads-up-recap-607-1201646493/)

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/10/26/sorry-walking-dead-fans-but-that-death-was-real/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/10/26/sorry-walking-dead-fans-but-that-death-was-real/)

"Beyond all that, though, here is the biggest reason why Glenn must be dead: The show’s integrity. Part of what makes “The Walking Dead” so good is that the writers don’t run the proverbial car off the cliff and then a minute later show you that the hero jumped out at the last minute when nobody was looking. That integrity is what makes a fictitious show about imaginary monsters feel so real. They may bring a character to the verge of death – think Rick outside the prison fence during the Governor’s first attack. But if a character gets saved, the save makes sense. If, in two weeks, we see Glenn crawl out from under that dumpster, covered in Nick’s blood, and walk out of that alley, Gimple will have made a good number of fans happy. But he will have destroyed the show’s integrity, and we frankly think that is something that he and creator Robert Kirkman and everybody else involved in it understands."

This said it perfectly up until the last sentence. Then, the author made the same mistake I did. He assumed they had integrity. "Fear" showed they don't. This proves it. I think this may have been a "jump the shark" moment, which is very unfortunate because I really did like the show.




Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on November 25, 2015, 12:01:12 AM
Two walkers out of a hundred tried to get at Glen under the dumpster and then the others saw it didn't work, so they gave up? :boooo: For me, this was a worse "sin" than the middle finger they gave us called "Fear".
As he crawls out from under the dumpster there's dead walkers all around it. It appears Glenn had blocked the other zombies from getting to him by killing those few who were the first ones reaching for him, effectively walling himself in. Yeah, most improbable but is it any more improbable than smearing yourself with zombie guts so they won't smell you? Or how Darryl and Carole, in a vehicle, nose-dive off an overpass and walk away, basically unscathed?   Or even the whole tornado rescue a couple seasons back.  Obviously we're not watching this show for the realism, I mean we are talking a zombie apocalypse aren't we?  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 25, 2015, 01:09:31 AM
As he crawls out from under the dumpster there's dead walkers all around it. It appears Glenn had blocked the other zombies from getting to him by killing those few who were the first ones reaching for him, effectively walling himself in. Yeah, most improbable but is it any more improbable than smearing yourself with zombie guts so they won't smell you? Or how Darryl and Carole, in a vehicle, nose-dive off an overpass and walk away, basically unscathed?   Or even the whole tornado rescue a couple seasons back.  Obviously we're not watching this show for the realism, I mean we are talking a zombie apocalypse aren't we?  ;)

There are SOME walkers around it. Given we are supposed to believe the walkers are driven by their hunger, certainly nowhere near enough to have kept Glen safe and did dear old Glen manage to kill the ones by his feet. Not too easy to spin around under there. Plus, I am much more annoyed at the "violating the laws of physics" aspect where Glen's head ended up exactly opposite from where the fall from the dumpster would have actually put his head if gravity and momentum where still in effect at the time of said fall.
Zombie guts, to be fair, is taken directly from the comic. I believe that was a nod to the fact that the comic came first. Plus, the crew and staff were still new when that got started (Episode 3?) so the comic played a much more outsized role back then.
As for the Carol and Daryl van crash, well, they did put on their seat belts.  :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzshC7D9AoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzshC7D9AoY)
I have to give a little more leeway to car crashes due to personal experience. I have walked away from a couple of crashes where the police told me they could not understand why I wasn't badly hurt or dead. Sometimes, in cars, you get lucky.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on November 25, 2015, 07:04:16 AM
Tucker - I like how you brought up that Glenn and Nicholas fell away from the dumpster so there's really no way his head would be near it. I had the same thought the other night and the whole scenario has bugged me since. Not to mention the fact that somehow Nicholas ended up across Glenn's stomach. With that position, how did the walkers not bite Glenn's legs, arms, upper chest and head? Maybe they just don't like Asian food?  ;) I can handle a lot of silly stuff on the show because it is a TV show, but this whole thing just insults the viewer's intelligence.

I thought by having Glenn die in the third episode of the season would make a lot of sense in terms of anyone going at any time. It would add suspense to a show that lately has been lacking it. I didn't for a second think that Enid was going to shoot Glenn. It would suck for him though if he does die soon. Speaking of which, while talking to Enid, Glenn didn't seem the least bit shaken by what he had just been through.

Someone on BBI mentioned how two episodes ago, Rick told everyone to keep quiet and keep the lights off. Yet, in this past episode he's banging a hammer loudly while re-enforcing the wall. So much for taking his own advice. Also, the walkers outside Alexandria have been there for a while and just keep pushing against the wall, yet those outside the dumpster that Glenn was under eventually gave up interest. Seems a bit strange.

I'll keep watching the show but this kind of thing is really getting out of hand. The inconsistencies, the stupidity among those living in Alexandria, things happening in a way that they wouldn't (Glenn's position on the ground after falling from the dumpster). Then again, when TV shows reach their sixth season, they'll usually attempt things to keep people watching, but don't get too carried away doing so.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 25, 2015, 12:36:17 PM

I thought by having Glenn die in the third episode of the season would make a lot of sense in terms of anyone going at any time. It would add suspense to a show that lately has been lacking it.

I'm glad you brought that up. Because, once I read it, I realized that's also why I'm annoyed. I had high hopes that they would be daring and go for a major character death towards the beginning. It's gotten to the point where you just know it's going to happen in the finale, so when it does happen in the finale, it's lost a lot of it's impact. When Glen hit the ground and blood started flowing, I thought to myself - cool that the writers and producers would take such a chance and throw the audience for a loop like that. It WAS totally unexpected and would have really impacted the audience so much more than the predictable finale death scene. Then, they give us this crap. Glen not only can defy death, he can defy physics! Is there nothing this former pizza delivery guy can't do?!?
So, now we have the collapsing building opening the fence. The building must be related to Glen, because it, too, seems to be defying physics. Truck slams into the bottom right base of the tower, and after several creaks and groans, falls perfectly back in a 90 degree angle.
Lots and lots of zombies are pouring through the gates  - Rick, remember that line you said to Michonne about "we can take our time and do this right" - no you can't and now lots of Alexandrians will die. Who will be the "shocking death"? No doubt our wounded wolf will escape - probably to set up a scene where Morgan has to choose between his own life and the wolf's. I have Morgan high on my list of possible deaths. I am also thinking Rick will be forced to save Carl from his teenage nemesis. Does Rick HAVE to kill a teenage boy to save his son? If so, no doubt Jesse, Rick's new lady, will see it. Thinking that killing her husband AND son will be just a bit too much to keep the flames of romance roaring. Flowers and a sincere apology really cannot make up for killing your lady's son. What role will Daryl and that fuel truck play? Will Daryl save Alexandria by starting a fire that lures the walkers away? Or will Daryl burn Alexandria to the ground because he was trying to start a fire to lure the walkers away and it spun wildly out of control? What about that couple that stole Daryl's bike? Can't wait another season to wrap up that loose end, can they? I think there's a slight chance we may see either Abraham or Sasha die. My money is on Abraham if it happens. Otherwise that whole Abraham hitting on Sasha story line was really a waste of time. Is this the finale that will rid us of one of our two cowards - Eugene or Father Gabriel?
What's most depressing is I imagine in two or three weeks "Fear" will be back. I will not be tuning in unless my fellow TWD fans here inform me that Fear has turned the corner and is now watchable. I trust one of you guys will be a glutton for punishment and will watch Fear this upcoming season and fill the rest of us in.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 25, 2015, 02:02:00 PM
I'm glad you brought that up. Because, once I read it, I realized that's also why I'm annoyed. I had high hopes that they would be daring and go for a major character death towards the beginning. It's gotten to the point where you just know it's going to happen in the finale, so when it does happen in the finale, it's lost a lot of it's impact. When Glen hit the ground and blood started flowing, I thought to myself - cool that the writers and producers would take such a chance and throw the audience for a loop like that. It WAS totally unexpected and would have really impacted the audience so much more than the predictable finale death scene. Then, they give us this crap. Glen not only can defy death, he can defy physics! Is there nothing this former pizza delivery guy can't do?!?
So, now we have the collapsing building opening the fence. The building must be related to Glen, because it, too, seems to be defying physics. Truck slams into the bottom right base of the tower, and after several creaks and groans, falls perfectly back in a 90 degree angle.
Lots and lots of zombies are pouring through the gates  - Rick, remember that line you said to Michonne about "we can take our time and do this right" - no you can't and now lots of Alexandrians will die. Who will be the "shocking death"? No doubt our wounded wolf will escape - probably to set up a scene where Morgan has to choose between his own life and the wolf's. I have Morgan high on my list of possible deaths. I am also thinking Rick will be forced to save Carl from his teenage nemesis. Does Rick HAVE to kill a teenage boy to save his son? If so, no doubt Jesse, Rick's new lady, will see it. Thinking that killing her husband AND son will be just a bit too much to keep the flames of romance roaring. Flowers and a sincere apology really cannot make up for killing your lady's son. What role will Daryl and that fuel truck play? Will Daryl save Alexandria by starting a fire that lures the walkers away? Or will Daryl burn Alexandria to the ground because he was trying to start a fire to lure the walkers away and it spun wildly out of control? What about that couple that stole Daryl's bike? Can't wait another season to wrap up that loose end, can they? I think there's a slight chance we may see either Abraham or Sasha die. My money is on Abraham if it happens. Otherwise that whole Abraham hitting on Sasha story line was really a waste of time. Is this the finale that will rid us of one of our two cowards - Eugene or Father Gabriel?
What's most depressing is I imagine in two or three weeks "Fear" will be back. I will not be tuning in unless my fellow TWD fans here inform me that Fear has turned the corner and is now watchable. I trust one of you guys will be a glutton for punishment and will watch Fear this upcoming season and fill the rest of us in.

Guys we are watching fiction here, not a documentary on how to stay alive during t he Apocalypse. It's Hollywood at it's best and I for one really don't care about physics while watching. I seriously doubt if the writers know much about it either. The entire idea is to keep us on the edge of our seats and I think they are doing a credible job of that. Even in your post Tucker, you state many things that have us all wondering, and waiting for the next episode to find out what happened. Isn't that the goal of all TV shows?
Even if McGiants didn't believe for a minute that Enid would shoot Glenn, I just wondered about it. As I said before, that would have been the ultimate irony for Glenn. But that is the entire point, we all have our reasons for enjoying this show. Mine being it is exciting and you just never know when they will do away with one of the main characters. AT ANYTIME. And it isn't always in the last episode of the season. Didn't Bob get eaten before the finale, same for Tyresse and many others.
Isn't part of the fun, just shooting the breeze here talking about whom we think will be next. Sure the show simply cannot keep on, on this tremendous way all the time. There have to be lows and highs, but, for the most part, the show is still as good as ever, well maybe not ever, but I am willing to overlook many 'scientific' flaws in the name of excitement.  How many weeks did they have the entire watching public wondering about Glenn, and I'd be safe in saying about 90% of the watchers are glad he is still alive, even if physics was defied. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on November 25, 2015, 06:33:26 PM
I suppose I need to lighten up a bit. I've never been so irked by something that happened on a TV show, but I'm sure I'll get over it. There's been lots of stuff happening on this show that's kind of hard to believe, but it's all for entertainment.

So, in the finale, would the show be willing to kill off Carl? That kid appears determined to take him down. I know what happens to Carl in the comics so I'm wondering if they take that route. The show has a way of doing things differently from the comics though so it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

Once the walkers start pouring into Alexandria, all hell will break lose - much like when the prison was invaded by the Governor and his people. Rick may lose track of where certain people are in an attempt to get everyone out alive. Imagine the horror of losing his son to the son of a woman he agreed to work peacefully with. An eye for an eye?

I think it may be obvious that several Alexandrians will perish as there's too many of them and a lot of them are just not very interesting. They don't bring much to the show either. Glen escaped death more than once. That will eventually catch up with him. I'm also curious about what will become of the gas truck and how it will be used.

Only a couple days to Sunday so hopefully we get answers to some of this during the finale.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 25, 2015, 07:01:11 PM
Lenn - Sorry I was sounding so cranky. Still a little grouchy about Fear.  ;) Clearly, as my post ends with some possibilities racing around in my mind, I am still a fan. I just hate it when I feel like they are "talking down to us". The writers want Glen to survive? Ok, I am cool with that. Just give me something even a tiny bit plausible. Several other posters have pointed out that Rick's escape was highly unlikely. And I agree. But, the writers at least left one side of the RV open for Rick to run. Would he make it back unscathed in reality? Probably not. But he had a chance. That's all I ask. Make it just a little believable. If I willing to give so many other escapes a pass, I hope it's clear that, imo, I have set the bar pretty low. Glen's escape? There was just absolutely no way he could have escaped from that. None. And to me, as a pretty big fan, that is really disappointing. Either write the scene so Glen can have the tiniest of chances or kill the character off. Will I watch the finale? Absolutely. The dvr is set and, no matter how late I am at the hospital, I am watching that show, even if it means I drive my kids to school without having slept. I don't want to take a chance that I overhear a spoiler that will take away the fun of seeing what's going to happen.  :ok: So, for now, end of grumpy rants about Glen. I promise. Happy Thankgiving to all and I sincerely hope none of us are forced to eat turkey under a dumpster this fine holiday.  :D Should we start a pool on the body count number? People, not walkers. I have a strong feeling the walker numbers will be too high to count. I think that gas truck will make the finale "explosive"! (Sorry. Terrible pun, I know.)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on November 25, 2015, 10:08:00 PM
The wild card on The Walking Dead is obviously Daryl since his character wasn't in the original story (comics) so it's unknown how long he'll last. He's a fan favorite, but his role seems to be getting smaller - in fact, all the main characters have had minor screen time lately except for when they have their own episodes. This leads to my next point.

There's simply too many characters on this show and a lot of them are not very interesting. Among them are the people of Alexandria, Eugene, Rosita, Tara, Denise and Gabriel. Just my opinion here. We know - or we expect - several people from Alexandra will die in the finale and possibly one or two member's of Rick's group. I really think they need to thin out the survivors so they can focus on them more as a group. Apparently they'll be leaving Alexandria soon too.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 26, 2015, 01:03:20 AM
MCGiants - You and I get along pretty well, but you really need to stop right now about Rosita before I get angry. That role is played by Christian Serratos. Google her name and click on images. If I ever win a really big lottery, that woman is my future ex-wife! And I will not have you speak of her that way, sir!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 26, 2015, 08:00:59 AM
Happy Thanksgiving guys.

We can still be thankful that TWD is here and we all enjoy it.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on November 26, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
MCGiants - You and I get along pretty well, but you really need to stop right now about Rosita before I get angry. That role is played by Christian Serratos. Google her name and click on images. If I ever win a really big lottery, that woman is my future ex-wife! And I will not have you speak of her that way, sir!

My sincere apologies!! Never again!! :)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 29, 2015, 08:41:26 PM
So whom is going to get eaten tonight??

Any volunteers

After reading some of the posts about today's game, maybe we can divert some of these walkers over to the Giants locker room and have people like Newhouse, Holsey, Kuhn, Schwartz and a few others eaten so we can be rid of them and move on to real football players.

=)) =)) =)) =)) =))
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on November 29, 2015, 09:10:31 PM
Looking forward to watching this tonight or tomorrow. There will be blood.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 30, 2015, 02:42:54 AM
Wow. Much, much, much left unsaid and undone! Not sure how i feel about this. Was hoping for a little more meat on the bone. Personally, I did not feel that anything that happened was all that "shocking". Biggest surprise to me was finding out who said "Help" on the radio. Never would have guessed that one! When did Michonne and Deanna become that close? Maggie was the one by Deanna's side. Was it just me? Or did that feel a little too intimate to anyone else?  Mutual admiration is one thing. But these were two women that really had not had a lot of one on one face time to interact and get close. Props to cast and crew for coming up with a finale that basically guarantees every one of us will be tuning in February 14th for mid-season premier. Props to Jason Alexander for saying exactly what I was thinking on "Talking Dead".
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 30, 2015, 09:41:28 AM
So whom is going to get eaten tonight??

Any volunteers

After reading some of the posts about today's game, maybe we can divert some of these walkers over to the Giants locker room and have people like Newhouse, Holsey, Kuhn, Schwartz and a few others eaten so we can be rid of them and move on to real football players.

=)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Good thing these "zombies" do not dine exclusively on brains. Otherwise, they would leave the locker room having not eaten.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on December 01, 2015, 10:36:29 AM
I watched the last  episode and had to rewatch it to try and fully gather what has happened. basically, we are still left in no man;s land. really didn't think they would kill off Deanna, but thinking back, it should have been no surprise. But she is out of bullets (???) so when she turns, will she come back to exact some revenge. Or maybe magically, there is still one bullet left in the gun?

Personally I was a bit disappointed in the way the entire show evolved. Carol fighting Morgan, Eugene calling for 'help'?? Enid, who really knows what is happening with her, and our other people who are still out there (Daryle, Abraham etc) who really had this season off. Sure we all to wonder and wait for next season.

One of these days I have to read the comic books to see what is really happening.

And on the Talking Dead they told of major new players in that new group who will be playing a very active part in the future of this show.

So overall, a satisfying season, not great, but still much better than most other shows out there.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on December 01, 2015, 09:36:45 PM
One of our local libraries has a discussion group every Tues nite to discuss the last weeks episode of TWD. I have been to some but not in a few weeks except for tonite. Several different views on things.

One major contention was when the W guy grabs the lady 'doctor' (sorry if I forget names) and orders our hero's to throw down their guns, AND THEY COMPLY. Now really, does anyone really think they would give up their weapons in a situation like that. Then the W guy (who have the reputation of being as brutal and uncaring, as anyone can be, just walks out. In reality, he would have blasted them away. I can see him, MAYBE, gaining a bit of humanity, but there is no way, after watching this show for all these years, that these people just throw down their guns.

And then, in the coming attractions, when our guys are confronted by the new group ( I think they are The Savages), they just get out of that monster truck, without any weapons, to face off against people they don't know. Come on guys, really, they would have either hunkered down and floored that truck, or have some sort of weapon with them.

So now who is going to save our hero's in Alexandria. All we have left is Glenn and Enid, or is Alexandria lost and all, who can escapee, will.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on December 01, 2015, 11:56:48 PM
One of our local libraries has a discussion group every Tues nite to discuss the last weeks episode of TWD. I have been to some but not in a few weeks except for tonite. Several different views on things.

One major contention was when the W guy grabs the lady 'doctor' (sorry if I forget names) and orders our hero's to throw down their guns, AND THEY COMPLY. Now really, does anyone really think they would give up their weapons in a situation like that. Then the W guy (who have the reputation of being as brutal and uncaring, as anyone can be, just walks out. In reality, he would have blasted them away. I can see him, MAYBE, gaining a bit of humanity, but there is no way, after watching this show for all these years, that these people just throw down their guns.

And then, in the coming attractions, when our guys are confronted by the new group ( I think they are The Savages), they just get out of that monster truck, without any weapons, to face off against people they don't know. Come on guys, really, they would have either hunkered down and floored that truck, or have some sort of weapon with them.

So now who is going to save our hero's in Alexandria. All we have left is Glenn and Enid, or is Alexandria lost and all, who can escapee, will.

At least it's not "Fear", Lenn. At least, it's not "Fear". I believe the writers would rationalize not shooting the Wolf for fear of killing the only medically trained person they have. Beyond all the very valid points you and the group raised, Alexandria would have fallen almost at the start of the apocalypse. Being the only place that has functioning lights at night would have drawn everyone's attention from miles around (odd that noise attracts walkers, but not light. ;)).  That's a retaining wall around Alexandria, not a defensive one. Any reasonably organized group would have been able to overrun Alexandria and taken it for themselves very early on.  Deanna's life expectancy, if TWD was reality, would probably have been measured in hours.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on December 02, 2015, 04:01:10 PM
Another thing, which was brought up, this entire last season took place in what, a span of maybe 2-3 days, if even that. We lose a lot watching each week, but these guys are in a world where time has no meaning.

One thing I brought up, but I am not sure about this. I thought I saw, sometime during the last episode, that there were walkers on top of the tower, or some building? Did anyone else notice this as walkers can't or don't climb. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on December 02, 2015, 09:34:23 PM
One thing I brought up, but I am not sure about this. I thought I saw, sometime during the last episode, that there were walkers on top of the tower, or some building? Did anyone else notice this as walkers can't or don't climb.
I don't recall that Lenn. I may have to re-watch the episode.

 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on December 03, 2015, 02:55:58 AM
I missed that, Lenn. I was pretty tired when I watched, so it is definitely a possibility. We do know that walkers can, and do, take the stairs. We saw that with Andrea being pursued by the governor into the abandoned warehouse/factory. And Merle left his hand in Atlanta to get off the roof before the herd of walkers made it up the stairs. Most recently, the walkers made it up the stairs to have a snack of Deanna. So, wherever you spotted those walkers, if there are stairs, that would follow precedent. If there are no stairs, then you caught a mistake. Maybe you can qualify to be the "superfan" guest on "Talking Dead". You saw what all the rest of us missed.  =D>
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on December 03, 2015, 08:44:50 AM
I think once you take that leap to accept that a dead person comes back to life completely brain dead, hungry with soft shell skulls for easy smashing...then you pretty much don't sweat the small stuff. I agree though that the wolf scene with them dropping their guns and the Daryl group getting out of the truck instead of smashing through were both WHAT were they thinking when writing these scenes. I think the writers get the feedback and make adjustments for the next episodes moving forward. They certainly don't want to lose their audience. Having behavior inconsistent with the character's tendencies is not good. Both scenes are reasons why these folks need leaders like Rick and Carol and won't survive without them. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 09, 2016, 11:34:42 AM
So Sunday is the day our favorite TV show returns.

Here is also a spoiler alert to something that is supposed to happen in the next season if anyone is interested
http://www.inquisitr.com/2779838/the-walking-dead-season-6-fox-russia-leaks-major-spoiler-twd-actor-threatens-to-block-fans-sharing-plot-on-twitter/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/2779838/the-walking-dead-season-6-fox-russia-leaks-major-spoiler-twd-actor-threatens-to-block-fans-sharing-plot-on-twitter/)


There is also a bootleg copy of the 4 minute trailer that is supposed to be release tomorrow, just scroll down the page.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 09, 2016, 01:11:33 PM
you are certainly entitled to post whatever you wish Lenn, however I believe its best to stay away from internet spoilers. I don't want that info. There are sites out there that leak a lot of info on the show, part of it is the people that are up to date on the comics know a lot about what is going to happen before it does.
 also, the first half of season 6 had people ready to start shooting the people that sneek into the woods with cameras to make money by selling the fotos. it got so bad the first half of the season that the whole damn company was truly, and deservedly really pissed off. its os bad that these paparazzi types have literally moved to the area and spend all their time watching for where they go to film and then stalk the sites.
 I think its a shame myself but hey that's just me.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on February 09, 2016, 02:21:05 PM
As I've probably mentioned several times already, I don't even watch any upcoming scenes or even The Talking Dead.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 13, 2016, 08:11:41 PM
you are certainly entitled to post whatever you wish Lenn, however I believe its best to stay away from internet spoilers. I don't want that info. There are sites out there that leak a lot of info on the show, part of it is the people that are up to date on the comics know a lot about what is going to happen before it does.
 also, the first half of season 6 had people ready to start shooting the people that sneek into the woods with cameras to make money by selling the fotos. it got so bad the first half of the season that the whole damn company was truly, and deservedly really pissed off. its os bad that these paparazzi types have literally moved to the area and spend all their time watching for where they go to film and then stalk the sites.
 I think its a shame myself but hey that's just me.

That's fine for you. I only put it up there because there are some people who like to know.

Since you don't want to know, don't look.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 13, 2016, 08:17:13 PM
OK I am ready. I just rewatched the last 2 episodes from the past season and I'm rarin' to go. Let the new season begin.

For those that haven't watched, our hero's have smeared themselves with walker guts and are trying to get to the munitions area. I still think that little boy will do something foolish, like yell out and all hell might break loose.
The other three, Daryl, Sasha and Abraham have dropped their weapons and are waiting for the Saviors to react.

In case you don't remember, here is a link as to where we left off.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/arts/television/the-walking-dead-season-6-midseason-premiere-refresher.html?src=mv&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/arts/television/the-walking-dead-season-6-midseason-premiere-refresher.html?src=mv&_r=0)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 13, 2016, 08:19:36 PM
OH ok
I thought we had a agreement around here NOT to write about upcoming spoilers. Guess I was wrong.
 I wont be adding to this post because I don't want to know what happens until the show comes on. That's fine.
 Sorry I mustve misunderstood.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 13, 2016, 09:56:38 PM
OH ok
I thought we had a agreement around here NOT to write about upcoming spoilers. Guess I was wrong.
 I wont be adding to this post because I don't want to know what happens until the show comes on. That's fine.
 Sorry I mustve misunderstood.

I was just pulling your leg, don't get upset.

Drake put me up to it.  :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 14, 2016, 03:02:19 PM
oh no, im NOT upset.
 its just hearing what the score is of yesterdays giants game BEFORE you watch it cuz you tivoed it or whatever, for me, wrecks it.
 I don't want to know stuff before I watch so like I said, for my own protection I shall not partake!
 its like watching a republican debate, don't need to hear it, especially when you already know what theyre gonna say!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on February 15, 2016, 12:47:07 PM
The was the best episode yet.  A rousing good time and exciting as all get up.    =D> :ok:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 15, 2016, 01:02:01 PM
The was the best episode yet.  A rousing good time and exciting as all get up.    =D> :ok:

I agree. Great episode. How many lives does Glen have left? It was also a good talking dead episode, explaining how they did the explosion and river scenes. Sorry that Rick lost his new love interest but I was hoping he would get hooked up with Michonne.

I would never have trusted Gabriel with Judith and I certainly wouldn't have let Sam come along. Some pretty questionable judgements by Rick. Looks like the characters are going to roll with their most recent experiences and swing back and forth in their perspective of how to deal with life as it is now. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 15, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
I fully agree that this was one of the series best episodes. It will be pretty hard to top this one with the ones remaining in this season.

An entire family wiped out, two no regrets but the lady was nice, and I feel for poor Rick, he just can't catch  beak. Now he has to deal with Carl for a long while now.

As they said on the Talking Dead, this was the first time the entire cast got to work together in quite a while. It sure was like Custer's last Stand only we won this time.

Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on February 15, 2016, 07:58:26 PM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10H7JwNztuc&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on February 15, 2016, 08:45:50 PM
I agree. Great episode. How many lives does Glen have left? It was also a good talking dead episode, explaining how they did the explosion and river scenes. Sorry that Rick lost his new love interest but I was hoping he would get hooked up with Michonne.

I would never have trusted Gabriel with Judith and I certainly wouldn't have let Sam come along. Some pretty questionable judgements by Rick. Looks like the characters are going to roll with their most recent experiences and swing back and forth in their perspective of how to deal with life as it is now.

Gabriel's "God has given us the courage" was one of the best speech's in the show's history.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on February 16, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
As they said on the Talking Dead, this was the first time the entire cast got to work together in quite a while. It sure was like Custer's last Stand only we won this time.
Sure, and they probably blew a good chunk of their budget on this "first" episode. Watch, now we'll have 6 episodes of dramatic acting while Carl recovers. Unless of course we hear more from this Negan character, which we undoubtedly will.

Great opener.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 16, 2016, 04:11:54 AM
I agree. Great episode. How many lives does Glen have left? It was also a good talking dead episode, explaining how they did the explosion and river scenes. Sorry that Rick lost his new love interest but I was hoping he would get hooked up with Michonne.

I would never have trusted Gabriel with Judith and I certainly wouldn't have let Sam come along. Some pretty questionable judgements by Rick. Looks like the characters are going to roll with their most recent experiences and swing back and forth in their perspective of how to deal with life as it is now.

Great to be back in the saddle again. A rousing good time! Rocket launcher seemed rather silly to me and Glen needs to die to restore some credibility. Aside from that, really liked a number of "new"(for TWD, anyway) things they did. LOVED hearing Carol's words playing in Sam's head while zooming in on the blood coming out of "monster" walkers' mouths. The jump cuts of each person landing blows during the "Battle for Alexandria". Fun stuff from old horror movies. Well done cast & crew.

Ed - I think we have to cut Rick some slack on the Sam thing. Decision had to be made surrounded by walkers. Rick probably figured if he forced the issue, Sam would start screaming and/or crying. Besides, who knew it was going to get THAT dark out after walking another 10 yards?  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on February 16, 2016, 11:31:57 PM
Besides, who knew it was going to get THAT dark out after walking another 10 yards?  ;)

LOL.  Yeah, you notice that when they donned the zombie guts it was a bright sunshiny day. After a short walk through the zombie masses and it's suddenly dark...very dark.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 17, 2016, 10:04:59 AM
LOL.  Yeah, you notice that when they donned the zombie guts it was a bright sunshiny day. After a short walk through the zombie masses and it's suddenly dark...very dark.  ;)

Since I spent 20 years as a TV cameraman in my previous career, I pay attention to light levels and shadows. Per the "Talking Dead", we know from the director that the scene was shot in the summer. From when they left the house, to handing Judith over to Gabriel, to the Sam becoming snack food, I estimate that was a four to five hour walk.  :what: Apparently, you not only need to smear your clothes with zombie guts, but you need to walk at an excruciatingly slow pace. With the exception of endless ammo, guns that never jam, and the ready availability of rocket launchers, that zombie apocalypse is a tough time to live!!!  I do love the show, but man, they do push the boundaries of what we are supposed to swallow in order to "believe" every now and then. I was watching the Talking Dead and the director is the guy who is in charge of the makeup department and specials, so you can just tell he's totally focused on "the look". And it is a great looking episode with some very cool homage to old horror movies thrown in. I just imagine some camera op saying something about the passage of time to the director and the guy saying, "Who cares? No one at home pays any attention to that bulls**t. I need this to look cool!". And, you know what? It did look cool! So, hat tip to the director, cast, & crew. Probably the most fun season opener the show has had.  =D>
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 17, 2016, 11:35:10 AM
For the audience that they are trying to attract, I agree, looking the part is more important than science, common sense and several other things that might require a bit of mental prep.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on February 17, 2016, 11:51:09 AM
Since I spent 20 years as a TV cameraman in my previous career, I pay attention to light levels and shadows. Per the "Talking Dead", we know from the director that the scene was shot in the summer. From when they left the house, to handing Judith over to Gabriel, to the Sam becoming snack food, I estimate that was a four to five hour walk.  :what: Apparently, you not only need to smear your clothes with zombie guts, but you need to walk at an excruciatingly slow pace. With the exception of endless ammo, guns that never jam, and the ready availability of rocket launchers, that zombie apocalypse is a tough time to live!!!  I do love the show, but man, they do push the boundaries of what we are supposed to swallow in order to "believe" every now and then. I was watching the Talking Dead and the director is the guy who is in charge of the makeup department and specials, so you can just tell he's totally focused on "the look". And it is a great looking episode with some very cool homage to old horror movies thrown in. I just imagine some camera op saying something about the passage of time to the director and the guy saying, "Who cares? No one at home pays any attention to that bulls**t. I need this to look cool!". And, you know what? It did look cool! So, hat tip to the director, cast, & crew. Probably the most fun season opener the show has had.  =D>

It's the look.   People are scarier in broad daylight, while zombies are scarier at night.   So unfortunately to get maximum impact for both they sort of had to play fast and loose with the timeline. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 17, 2016, 05:23:53 PM
It's the look.   People are scarier in broad daylight, while zombies are scarier at night.   So unfortunately to get maximum impact for both they sort of had to play fast and loose with the timeline.

And like I said, it did look great. I bet they had huge Nielsen numbers that build up as the show went on. It was fun!!! C'mon, who didn't like that montage of each member of Alexandria taking a swing with their weapon du jour? Great stuff! I have gotten used to the season opener being complex because they foreshadowed all the coming events. This one was just let's blow up, stab, chop, shoot, and burn lots and lots of zombies (and a number of "bad" guys, too!). It was eye candy and there's nothing wrong with that from time to time.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 17, 2016, 10:03:23 PM
Problem is, after we watch shows like that, and we enjoy them tremendously, we want more, and then more of them. We all know it is impossible to duplicate things like that week after week, so when the next show doesn't live up to the past week, we feel let down. It would be pretty hard to top that last show, so where do we go from here.

I understand some do not want to know the future, but I meet with a group each week to discuss the last weeks shows and one of our group has read all the comics and sort of fills us in (a bit) with what will PROBABLY happen next.

We have to understand, this is only about the second time when our group is all together with really no enemies in sight, no real threats and no where really to head to. They were always moving, going somewhere, except for the time in the prison. So now where do they go from here. Rick seems to want to rebuild Alexandria and remain there. I do know what the next threat is, but since most don't want to know, I won't say. But, as of now, it is sort of peace and harmony for our guys in Alexandria.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 18, 2016, 01:11:57 AM
Problem is, after we watch shows like that, and we enjoy them tremendously, we want more, and then more of them. We all know it is impossible to duplicate things like that week after week, so when the next show doesn't live up to the past week, we feel let down. It would be pretty hard to top that last show, so where do we go from here.

I understand some do not want to know the future, but I meet with a group each week to discuss the last weeks shows and one of our group has read all the comics and sort of fills us in (a bit) with what will PROBABLY happen next.

We have to understand, this is only about the second time when our group is all together with really no enemies in sight, no real threats and no where really to head to. They were always moving, going somewhere, except for the time in the prison. So now where do they go from here. Rick seems to want to rebuild Alexandria and remain there. I do know what the next threat is, but since most don't want to know, I won't say. But, as of now, it is sort of peace and harmony for our guys in Alexandria.

You're right. It's time for a slow down. I imagine since quite a few characters have had their baptism of fire, that we will now have to get into some prolonged character development. Be interested to see which, if any, Alexandrian becomes part of the inner circle. Are the doc & Carol going to be okay after Carol killed the wolf? I think the doc thought the wolf was turning around and Carol gunned him down. As fun as the bonfire was, that had to be seen for miles. Certainly, someone(s) is coming to check it out. Where does Gabriel's character go now that his bravery has washed away his original sin of letting his parishioners die? Gotta agree with Rich. Gabriel's "God has given us the courage" speech was a game changer. The action will be missing, but still plenty of chances to make it interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXzoV65RHUw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXzoV65RHUw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpckcR_EOiU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpckcR_EOiU)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 22, 2016, 12:34:15 PM
OK, I'll be the first to comment of last nights episode.

Obviously not in the league of the opener, but still not bad. It was a sort of much lighter romp, with Rick and Daryl really listening to music and laughing. Sort of like a real buddy road trip movie. Even the encounter with Jesus was done in a sort of light hearted way and has Rick gone back to being a real human being? Gosh he takes him in and leaves him a glass of water with a 'love' note; Just kidding, of course.

As we discussed at the end of last season, we all thought Deanna shot herself but here she was and it was only fitting she was sent to eternity by her son.

And, last but surely not least, Rich and Mishonne are 'a thing'

When do they announce their engagement?   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

But Rich hasn't had very good luck with women since this series started, so Mishonne had better sleep with one eye open. Is she p[possibly the next to go?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 22, 2016, 01:11:55 PM
I was thinking the same thing about Michonne. Especially coming off of Carl telling her he would take her out if he ever turned.

What was everyone's take on the spiderweb shot with the spider before the next Jesus scene? Is this guy staging a trap? He's an interesting character and he looks to be someone who would have some longevity. I'm thinking they need to do away with some of the minor characters and replace them. One of the replacements looks to be Deanna's son. The expendable ones would be mullet head, the preacher and either of the two young girls.   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on February 22, 2016, 10:09:38 PM
I don't know Lenn. While last night's episode was amusing in some ways it also pissed me off at the same time. When this show is good it's damn good, but last night was yet another example of lazy and sloppy writing. The main point of the episode centered around introducing some guy that goes by the name of "Jesus" into Alexandria. I get the buddy/comedy aspect used for a bit of lighter action, especially after last weeks non-stop action fest. But dear God...how much belief are they asking us to suspend?

First Rick and Daryl leave in a perfectly good car then abandon it when they find the supply truck, without even know if this tuck will get them 3 miles down the road. Hey guys, split up...Rick drive the truck and Daryl drive the car.

Then Rick and Daryl run..and run...and run....I was actually laughing at the absurdity.

Later on that Jesus dude MAGICALLY appears on top of the truck after being tied up at the ankles a few seconds before. Then, after he falls from the truck, they go after him instead of just taking off. Really?? This guy just stole the truck and caused the loss of an immense amount of food. Do they kill him? Nope. They utilize all of their post-apocalyptic know-how and BRING HIM TO ALEXANDRIA.

I get that the writers need to find a way to get the new guy to Alexandria, but jeeeez. Come on! This show is capable of some really amazingly intense and powerful moments but last night I felt like I was watchin a Benny Hill episode.  In fact......   ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUkYepOl0Jg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUkYepOl0Jg)



Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 23, 2016, 10:52:55 AM
I don't know Lenn. While last night's episode was amusing in some ways it also pissed me off at the same time. When this show is good it's damn good, but last night was yet another example of lazy and sloppy writing. The main point of the episode centered around introducing some guy that goes by the name of "Jesus" into Alexandria. I get the buddy/comedy aspect used for a bit of lighter action, especially after last weeks non-stop action fest. But dear God...how much belief are they asking us to suspend?

First Rick and Daryl leave in a perfectly good car then abandon it when they find the supply truck, without even know if this tuck will get them 3 miles down the road. Hey guys, split up...Rick drive the truck and Daryl drive the car.

Then Rick and Daryl run..and run...and run....I was actually laughing at the absurdity.

Later on that Jesus dude MAGICALLY appears on top of the truck after being tied up at the ankles a few seconds before. Then, after he falls from the truck, they go after him instead of just taking off. Really?? This guy just stole the truck and caused the loss of an immense amount of food. Do they kill him? Nope. They utilize all of their post-apocalyptic know-how and BRING HIM TO ALEXANDRIA.

I get that the writers need to find a way to get the new guy to Alexandria, but jeeeez. Come on! This show is capable of some really amazingly intense and powerful moments but last night I felt like I was watchin a Benny Hill episode.  In fact......   ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUkYepOl0Jg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUkYepOl0Jg)

Sem - You forgot my year in, year out, favorite - they are short on food, toothpaste, gas, etc., yet ammo still is plentiful!!! In a wide variety of calibers, no less!  :laugh: Also, Deanna looked remarkably untouched for a woman we left dying with an entire herd of walkers about to descend on her. So, with that semi-auto they left her, she, who rarely shot a gun - if at all, took down what I guesstimate was 12-18 walkers and did NOT kill herself with a shot to the head? How is it Deanna died without even a nibble being taken out her? An experienced police officer, that has led a group through the zombie apocalypse surviving nearly every challenge imaginable, gets jostled, and doesn't realize his FRONT pocket got picked?  After all, Jesus stole the truck keys and Rick had those bad boys in his front pocket. Now, getting your front pocket picked - while wearing such tight jeans - would feel a bit intimate, shall we say. Yet, our hero had to have that info pointed out to him by Daryl? And, this may just be me, but did anyone else notice the lake the truck sank into seemed to moved about 100 yards closer than when they first drove onto the farm? Love the show, but, man, sometimes - as you said - the writers seem to mail it in.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on February 23, 2016, 11:23:09 PM
All good points Tucker. I keep watching it, sometimes asking myself "why?"  But then every once in awhile they pull off a really good episode that keeps me looking forward to the next one.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 24, 2016, 01:28:11 AM
All good points Tucker. I keep watching it, sometimes asking myself "why?"  But then every once in awhile they pull off a really good episode that keeps me looking forward to the next one.

I use Walking as a way to clear the cobwebs from my head after the stress at work. Sometimes, I'm kicking back and watching the show and picking out all the flaws and I have to summon my best Homer Simpson and yell inside my head "Stupid Brain! Stop thinking!". After all, I'm not watching "Nova". This is just fun. However, I do appreciate it when the writing is good and the show challenges me to think things through a little bit. I really enjoyed when the Governor was around because it is, sadly, very realistic that humans will happily overlook many of our core values when we are afraid and someone promises us "safety". When the writers tap into our collective psychological weaknesses, those are the shows that I can't get enough of. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 25, 2016, 05:31:27 PM
So now I a, also playing the 'not knowing' game as I have absolutely no idea what is coming next.

So where do we go with Jesus? Is he going to be a player? Can he be a spy for the next threat to befall our heroes? We already see he has skills, and as Rick said he is well groomed so he just couldn't be wandering around the wilderness, he has to have a place to stay where he can keep his 'look'.

One thing I found out, that maybe I misinterpreted. When the group was sort of heading to Washington because Eugene had 'the answer', I took for granted that when they ended up in Alexandria, that they were in Virginia, across the river from Washington. NO. I found out that they are in Alexandria Georgia. How, I don't know, but that was sort of proved to me this week.

Do you think there is still a committee in Alexandria, like of many people we aren't seeing. What we now see can't be all that is left of this once thriving committee, can it?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 29, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Another excellent episode. Sure it didn't top the opener, but I found this weeks spot to be very good. It has also set up the rest of this season.
Some great lines by Abraham in this one. I also loved the line by Jesus "Your world is about to get a whole lot bigger,". It really shows the potential for this show to grow in enormous ways.

Just my opinion as I wat6ched this show and the way it ended, but I just have a hunch that we are going to be losing one, two or maybe more of our hero's. Don't know why, but I feel Abraham may be hitting the road and maybe Glenn or Maggie. Just the idea that Abraham lost the necklace and the camera sort of dwelled on him at the end, well, nothing specific, but it wouldn't surprise me is he gets killed off. And I don't know why, but this show isn't about pleasantries and they really dwelled on Glenn and Maggie and the sonogram. It's just too cushie and sentimental, if you know what I mean. Things have to happen, so those are thinking. And let's not forget  Maggie’s warning that helping The Hilltop is "gonna cost us something."
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 29, 2016, 01:01:23 PM
I agree. On the talking Dead Maggie was on and when someone commented that they are going to have trying times and possible losses, she shook her head. It would be tragic for Glen if he lost Maggie and his child and how it would change him. Someone's going to get killed off and I would add Michonne to the list too.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on February 29, 2016, 07:41:07 PM
The Spaghetti Western

the dusty "pioneer-esque" town they stumble into; the seemingly helpless townspeople who need protection from a big bad gang; the seasoned team of warriors that's seen it all, ready to fight the baddies as part of a contract...
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on March 01, 2016, 12:04:11 AM
The Spaghetti Western

the dusty "pioneer-esque" town they stumble into; the seemingly helpless townspeople who need protection from a big bad gang; the seasoned team of warriors that's seen it all, ready to fight the baddies as part of a contract...

Or perhaps Blazing Saddles. "Now is a time of great decision/Are we to stay or up and quit?/There's no avoiding this conclusion/Our town is turning into $hit."
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on March 01, 2016, 12:16:16 AM
I agree. On the talking Dead Maggie was on and when someone commented that they are going to have trying times and possible losses, she shook her head. It would be tragic for Glen if he lost Maggie and his child and how it would change him. Someone's going to get killed off and I would add Michonne to the list too.

They do seem to lose someone every season, so I fully expect it again by the season finale. I would put my money on Maggie, Glen, or Abraham. But you're right Ed, Maggie+baby would probably make the biggest impact of the three. I don't see Michonne, at least not yet anyway. Although Rick's women sure seem to suffer the kiss of death don't they?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 05, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
I'll be away for the next several episodes. Catch up when I get back. Hope my favorites survive.  :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on March 05, 2016, 01:14:51 PM
Have fun Lenn. We'll be right here waiting for you.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 07, 2016, 03:04:49 PM
Interesting summation.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/on-the-waking-dead-its-ricks-turn-to-screw-with-the-wr-1763276045 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/on-the-waking-dead-its-ricks-turn-to-screw-with-the-wr-1763276045)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 14, 2016, 10:48:22 AM
A lot going on in this episode featuring the inner struggle of Carol and Maggie's motherly instincts taking her to a new level of self preservation and survival. Lots of symbolism with the Cross and the self inflicted stigmata and fire. Carol's battle within herself and the last glimmer of her humanity being crucified until the baptism by fire and then cutting herself as a symbolism of self inflicted punishment for not stepping in to stop Rick from the kill shot.

In the end, the choice to kill or not to kill has huge consequences as evidenced by Daryl and the kids who took his bike and left him for dead and Carol who didn't take the kill shot and it's resulting in her and Maggie being captured. Flash back to Carol and Morgan and how she didn't want him getting into her head but there was influence there. Carol counting her kills. The complexity of multiplicity in Carol's complex personality and how the right aspect for each situation emerges.

I watch the show each week with Linda and my 16 year old niece Alexis. We discuss aspects of the show before, during and after. I have had some concerns about how this show may influence her at times. She clearly understands that this is not reality and I felt the need to reiterate that after this episode. Still, the inner struggle in this extreme existence came up. The ethics question about the need for survival and what part of yourself are you willing to kill off of your connection to humanity in that survival. It's like being on a life raft in the middle of the ocean and there is no more room but survivors are swimming trying to get in the raft. You have a gun. Do you allow them to approach the boat hoping then can hang on to the side while risking them climbing on and fighting you for the boat or capsizing it for all to perish? Do you shoot them dead in the water? The WD characters survived in many instances by pure luck. Now they have experience on their side and that gives them the edge they need to survive. The edge in making these decisions and even then they can make critical mistakes. The people who haven't survived in that world by that point died because of being in the wrong place at the wrong time or because of their humanity getting in the way of their survival...even for a mere instant of hesitation or a decision that went deadly wrong.

This is a great show. Not for the gore and the violence but for the insight into the human condition. It parallels certain aspects of our society on drastically different levels but questions of ethics comes up and what are you willing to do to survive and prosper. I reflect on who Americans are taking sides with of the Presidential Candidates and the justification for that support. The tough questions about war and having to break a few eggs to create an omelet. The value of a life or the value of your life above all others. The building of walls or not to build walls. Perhaps anyone who watches this show just for the action is among the walking dead. They just don't know it.     
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 14, 2016, 09:03:27 PM
I agree with everything Ed said.   On the other hand I find this hilarious

(http://i.imgur.com/TnNkYd5.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 15, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
I think an unintended message from the show was that crisis of conscience isn't a luxury in the post zombie apocalypse.    Even though Carol is having some very real issues over he lost humanity and the fact that she went a bit too far into the dark, those feelings nearly got her and Maggie killed.    In the end it was only the ruthless Carol that was able to keep both of them alive.   

The leader of the other group was a stark mirror for Carol where she witnessed a similar transformation from life's punching bag to ruthless killer and leader.   Although the claims of the mirror Carol that Rick's group isn't the good guys can easily be disputed.  Two groups have encountered the Hilltop community.   The bad guys murdered some of the group and blackmailed them for half their food.   Ricks group on the other hand entered into honest negotiations and got their food through services rended.   That is the huge difference between the two groups. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 15, 2016, 05:41:50 PM
That's a good point Rich. We get the impression that there are small groups all over the world like these. Or at least we think it's happening all over the world. (There could be a continent where the virus was contained and the common denominator does not exist there.) There are those that have ethics and those that don't. These struggles are happening all over and there will be more and more group consolidations and alliances as they move forward. It's an opportunity for good to eliminate the evil and get a fresh start to civilization.

The other possibility still exists where a continent like Antarctica was immune because of temperature or spared because of proximity. Countries like America forming tribes and if education and books survive, they don't devolve backward to a society like our Native Americans. If that possibility exists and they find that the virus is not passed on to the offspring, then that could be one scenario. Another would be that other continent becoming warlike and setting out to conquer. 

At what point are most of the Walkers killed off and the re-building of society begins. Do they have to start all over falling back thousands of years? I imagine sometimes and it's unrelated to the show, an Earth that had advanced civilizations come and go a few times over, over millions of years. At this point in the show, the population of America might have gone from 300 million to 30,000. Fragmentation can put them back to the days of when our Native Americans roamed the land.

This show can go on indefinitely moving on to new levels. We may see more and more spinoffs.   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 16, 2016, 02:26:58 PM
Although the claims of the mirror Carol that Rick's group isn't the good guys can easily be disputed.  Two groups have encountered the Hilltop community.   The bad guys murdered some of the group and blackmailed them for half their food.   Ricks group on the other hand entered into honest negotiations and got their food through services rended.   That is the huge difference between the two groups.

Really, Rich? Huge difference? Where "services rendered" is cold blooded murder? Your Sunday school was a lot different from mine!  ;)

BTW - causally related, if you hire your group out as contract killers working for food, what guarantee does any resident of the Hilltop have, that next time, your group won't kill them? Did the Hilltop merely exchange which group of murderers are blackmailing them? Remember what was said about Rick prior to the raid when Rick was "adjusting" the nose of one of the severed heads, "The Saviors, they're scary. But those pr*cks ain't got nothing on you.".
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 16, 2016, 02:58:18 PM
Really, Rich? Huge difference? Where "services rendered" is cold blooded murder? Your Sunday school was a lot different from mine!  ;)

BTW - causally related, if you hire your group out as contract killers working for food, what guarantee does any resident of the Hilltop have, that next time, your group won't kill them? Did the Hilltop merely exchange which group of murderers are blackmailing them? Remember what was said about Rick prior to the raid when Rick was "adjusting" the nose of one of the severed heads, "The Saviors, they're scary. But those pr*cks ain't got nothing on you.".

Does sound pretty bad.  Only you had this group that was murdering the Hilltop people and extorting half the food.  That is obviously wrong and evil.  In absence of jails or law enforcement or clear military superiority how do you resolve such an issue short of "cold blooded murder".

I think that was one of the reasons two of the characters shared their backstories.  To show they are not just characters to be gunned down like a shoot em up video game.  They are people that you're murdering.

However in the times they live there was only one option to stop them and one Rick's group was willing and able to undertake. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 17, 2016, 12:12:56 PM
Does sound pretty bad.  Only you had this group that was murdering the Hilltop people and extorting half the food.  That is obviously wrong and evil.  In absence of jails or law enforcement or clear military superiority how do you resolve such an issue short of "cold blooded murder".

I think that was one of the reasons two of the characters shared their backstories.  To show they are not just characters to be gunned down like a shoot em up video game.  They are people that you're murdering.

However in the times they live there was only one option to stop them and one Rick's group was willing and able to undertake.

I knew a nun who would have loved to debate ethics with you Rich. I'm sure she's no longer with us, since she was not young when I was a mere tween. Remembering my ethics discussions with her, I think she might have countered that we have only heard the story from the Hilltop perspective. They may, or may not, be giving an accurate accounting of the things, but we cannot rush to judgement without knowing more. I think she would also point out that there was never any attempt to use any other method to alter the Saviors behavior. I think she would have embraced Morgan's ideals and firmly rejected Rick's. It's an interesting discussion because it is something that is SO hard to judge because we are not there.

I did a couple of shoots for the Shoah Foundation -  Steven Spielberg founded the project after filming "Schindler's List". The initial idea was Holocaust survivors were dying of old age and many have never spoken about what happened to them during the war. Spielberg wanted to get their stories preserved, ideally forever, in digital format. Camera ops and audio ops would go to the home and roll tape while a specially trained producer interviewed the survivors. It was an amazing and devastating experience at the same time. I never felt such pressure to be "perfect". Many had never told their stories to their families, so often several generations were there - literally, from all around the world - to hear what their family patriarch and/or matriarch endured. One man spoke of a particularly brutal time. He was a large guy and it was obvious that when he was a young man that he would have been a physical presence. The Nazis treated him much like a mule that they were going to work to death. Whatever project was too physically demanding and/or dangerous, the Nazis assigned him to that work detail. I cannot do his story justice in this small space. When he was freed and cared for by the British, the war was almost over, but still going on. He admitted that once he felt like he had some of his strength back that he stole from, beat, and even killed several Germans. I remember thinking at the time, "Good for you! If anyone earned the right, it was you.". As the years have passed, I have thought about my nun that loved a debate. Was the survivor REALLY justified? After all, the people he lashed out at where not his captors. They were German citizens. Were they compliant in this man's horrific abuse? I suspect many, or most, were. But what if? What if one of the Germans he killed had tried to help the Jews? What if one of the Germans he killed had done what little one man can do to oppose Hitler and his rise to power? I started to realize that maybe these killings were not as 100% justified as I initially thought. Nuance crept into my conscience. I do not and cannot judge the man. I was not there. I did not endure what he endured. I will not be his jury nor his judge. If EVER extenuating circumstances existed, surely this was it. But, with much respect to that dear old nun, what if..... As that nun would often finish the debate with, let us thank God for His mercy and kindness that we have not had to make such difficult choices.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 22, 2016, 02:22:29 PM
I am finally caught up and all I can say is WOW. Without a doubt, this is the best season EVER of TWD. If we notice, this season is more about the humans and the walkers are merely secondary. We are getting real insights into the characters, good and bad. We now have a priest who carries a gun where ever he goes. we have Eugene who has entered, as he called it, the second generation, we have/had a woman who so wanted to be a nurse(doctor) and also wanted to shed her image and go out into the 'bad' world and she paid the full price of that. In my opinion the only characters that really haven't changed are Morgan and Rick. I would have included Carol but she HAS changed and it seems as if maybe guilt has caught up with her.

On reading some of the comments here, in the terms of the Hilltop community, our guys have taken the place of the Saviors. Yes we may not be threatening them, but how does this Hilltop Community know that. To them, they are simply trading one nasty group for another. They know nothing of our group. In fact, how do they know we won't go back on our agreement, take over their entire community and take everything for ourselves?. At this point, our group is just as savage as any others that might be out there. In fact when Rich spoke of giving them that severed head, I really thought they would go up to the Hilltop community and cut the darn guys head right off. Really, the way this group has changed it is not that far fetched.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 22, 2016, 04:52:41 PM
Welcome back, Lenn. Carol has left and the elephant in the room is what Rick has talked these people into and they don't like what they see in the mirror. A line was crossed here and although it looks like it was absolutely necessary for survival because whenever compassion took the place of survival, lives were lost. However, a person on their own is no threat to anyone and anyone who came this far knows how to survive.

I suspect this week it will lead up to a dramatic conclusion, a major character gets killed and we're on the hook for a resolution after the season ends.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 22, 2016, 09:24:25 PM
One of our local libraries has a weekly discussion group on TWD. I just got back after missing the last few weeks, but they had some interesting questions

What was the significance of the filling ashtray? Everything it was shown it had more and more cigarette butts.
What was it that finally drove Carol away? Most seem to thin it was the blatant shot in the head that Rich did to Vernon (??) that really might have pushed her over the edge?
The leader of that group, with the burned face, was it always like that?
Why doesn't ANY of our group even wonder about civilization and what might really be out there. This was discussed for a while. Man's curiosity, one would think, would make some one, just one person, even wonder if there MIGHT be the next human race some where out there?I understand how they have struggled and Alexandria is a perfect place, maybe to live out their lives in security, but it is human nature to want to explore and know what else could be out there, yet no one stares up at the sky and wonders this. They are just content, or are they? Maybe Carol is the curious one and wants to see what this new world is and if Alexandria is the best they can do.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 23, 2016, 07:17:34 AM
One of our local libraries has a weekly discussion group on TWD.

I'm not sure but I can't help but think there is something inherently wrong with a library hosting discussions of a TV show.   :crazy:




As for the show it seems like the decision to kill in cold blood (even for a good cause) has been unhinging the group.  Plus the arrow through the eye was one of those shock moments did not see it coming.   This show has more impactful scenes than any show I can remember.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 23, 2016, 09:33:58 AM
One of our local libraries has a weekly discussion group on TWD. I just got back after missing the last few weeks, but they had some interesting questions

What was the significance of the filling ashtray? Everything it was shown it had more and more cigarette butts.
What was it that finally drove Carol away? Most seem to thin it was the blatant shot in the head that Rich did to Vernon (??) that really might have pushed her over the edge?
The leader of that group, with the burned face, was it always like that?
Why doesn't ANY of our group even wonder about civilization and what might really be out there. This was discussed for a while. Man's curiosity, one would think, would make some one, just one person, even wonder if there MIGHT be the next human race some where out there?I understand how they have struggled and Alexandria is a perfect place, maybe to live out their lives in security, but it is human nature to want to explore and know what else could be out there, yet no one stares up at the sky and wonders this. They are just content, or are they? Maybe Carol is the curious one and wants to see what this new world is and if Alexandria is the best they can do.

Good post. I recall that scene with the shot to the head and her self inflicted stigmata was a huge scene to me. I think if they don't kill her off, Carol will start her own group. Morgan may team up with her.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: squibber on March 23, 2016, 09:45:58 AM
It seems like Rick's group is trying to walk on that thin line between good and evil and between being predator or prey.  They make tough decisions that give them blood soaked hands and make them feel conflicted.  Their decisions may have been bad on occasion but what they faced, none of us have faced.  Who knows what we would do and how we would rationalize our actions.

Yes, there is savagery in Rick's group but if the zombie apocalypse was over, I think most or all of them would go back to their decent lives.  They still have honor and decency whereas other groups have degenerated into being sadistic animals.

Rick's group still have a spark of humanity so they still have hope.  They still can "go home".
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: squibber on March 23, 2016, 02:16:17 PM
Does anyone like Fear the Walking Dead?  Not as good as the Walking Dead but it's a decent prequel.  The father is a good actor as well as his drug addict son.  The rich black man is an intriguing character.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on March 23, 2016, 02:35:33 PM
I think season one wasn't very good although I stuck with it. I'll give the second season a chance to grow on me... We'll see if it does.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 23, 2016, 02:45:26 PM
Me too. It started to get better as the season progressed. The previews look good for the next season.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 23, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Does anyone like Fear the Walking Dead?  Not as good as the Walking Dead but it's a decent prequel.  The father is a good actor as well as his drug addict son.  The rich black man is an intriguing character.

We have discussed the prequel when it was on. Most felt it was just a cheap imitation and TWD people just trying anything to capitalize on the great fortune of the Walking Dead.

\Myself, I felt it was terribly underwhelming, with not one real character in the show that anyone cared about. (Oh the Spanish father was a decent guy). But the father and especially that druggie son, both could get eaten at any time and no one would miss them.
I will watch the first couple of shows, but if it continues the way the entire last season went, I'll find something a lot more interesting to watch.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 24, 2016, 08:17:28 AM
We have discussed the prequel when it was on. Most felt it was just a cheap imitation and TWD people just trying anything to capitalize on the great fortune of the Walking Dead.

\Myself, I felt it was terribly underwhelming, with not one real character in the show that anyone cared about. (Oh the Spanish father was a decent guy). But the father and especially that druggie son, both could get eaten at any time and no one would miss them.
I will watch the first couple of shows, but if it continues the way the entire last season went, I'll find something a lot more interesting to watch.

Example

Arrow goes through the back of Denise's head and out the eye = SHOCK and HORROR major impact

If same thing happened to drug addict son =  nice special effect... let me check my phone to see if there are any new posts on BBH
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 24, 2016, 03:27:00 PM
I'm not sure but I can't help but think there is something inherently wrong with a library hosting discussions of a TV show.   :crazy:


Many of the libraries in the local area have many things that they do to appeal to the local public. Most libraries are huge buildings and sponsor movies, concerts, many discussion groups on all sorts of subjects (frrom books, to current events, to cooking demonstrations, to photo and camera courses etc). They do taxes, Medicare, book reviews, lectures. And this one particular library has a person who works there that loves TWD and he sponsors a discussion group every Tuesday evening. Last week we had over 30 people show up.

Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 25, 2016, 02:55:06 AM
Example

Arrow goes through the back of Denise's head and out the eye = SHOCK and HORROR major impact

If same thing happened to drug addict son =  nice special effect... let me check my phone to see if there are any new posts on BBH

That may be the most perfect comparison/review of the two shows ever written in less than a paragraph. Well done, Rich.  =D>

I will check in here to see if season two has upped it's game. If our BBH/TWD discussion regulars are giving it a thumbs up, I'll check it out. I just cannot subject myself to that inanity again. I need to know there's a shred of a plausible plot there in season two that was completely missing from season one before I subject myself to that again.   :sick:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 25, 2016, 03:24:40 AM
It seems like Rick's group is trying to walk on that thin line between good and evil and between being predator or prey.  They make tough decisions that give them blood soaked hands and make them feel conflicted.  Their decisions may have been bad on occasion but what they faced, none of us have faced.  Who knows what we would do and how we would rationalize our actions.

Yes, there is savagery in Rick's group but if the zombie apocalypse was over, I think most or all of them would go back to their decent lives.  They still have honor and decency whereas other groups have degenerated into being sadistic animals.

Rick's group still have a spark of humanity so they still have hope.  They still can "go home".

I think "honor and decency" went out the window when they became contract killers.

And, not to get argumentative - after all it is only a TV show - but no one could go back to "decent lives" and/or "go home". If you routinely saw the dead reanimated, walking around, and eating people, that's a level of trauma you do not come back from. These survivors would have the mother of all PTSD cases. Think about it, even in a place like Alexandria, you go to sleep next to another person and it is entirely plausible that, somewhere down the line, you are awakened by your sleeping partner eating you alive. Heart attacks, strokes, internal bleeding, infections, eating something poisonous by mistake - there's a million ways to die during the zombie apocalypse. If this was real, I would have Carol on a 24 hour watch. She is having a mental breakdown presenting as severe stress-induced depression and, I strongly suspect is, at minimum, thinking about suicide. Carol was able to be Carol, warrior queen, due to what I strongly suspect was hyper-vigilance brought on by PTSD caused by her years of suffering through domestic violence.  Handy tool in the zombie apocalypse. Of course, by now, everyone is hyper vigilant or they are dead, but Carol has been that way for years (decades?) prior to the world falling apart. At this point, she must be mentally and emotionally exhausted. If this was real, and it's not, I would put Carol's chance at survival from this point on near zero. There would be a part of her that would want very much to die to finally get some peace. Since this is a TV show and Carol is a HUGE fan favorite, I suspect she has a close call, but lives to see next season.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: squibber on March 25, 2016, 08:03:57 AM
Makes sense, Tucker.  Maybe I didn't say it well regarding honor & decency.  A better way of putting it would have been, there is still a spark of humanity in them.

As far as "going home".  I didn't say that well either.  They have a chance to be fully human again whereas other groups passed so far into the dark side, there is no way back for them.

I have to wonder how I would think and rationalize if I was in that world.  Maybe I would be so frightened of dying or be enslaved by the Saviors, my survival instinct would trump my "higher self" and I would agree with Rick's plan.  Maybe it's a Nietche(sp?) thing.  "be careful in fighting monsters that you don't become a monster.

Also, didn't Rick's group face the possibility of starvation?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 25, 2016, 09:29:16 AM
squibber - we are all programmed for survival. What path that leads us down is usually significantly dependent on what it is we feel we need to do to survive. Human beings often rationalize pretty horrific things for far lesser reasons than survival. For example, a Klan member might have rationalized lynchings based on the "survival" of his race, but really all it was, was cold blooded murder based on racism. Reanimate the dead and have them, literally, eating your friends and family before your very eyes and I imagine most of us would NOT be very selective over what we did to survive. In fact, I think we would find out very quickly that were "monsters" among us. Those of us that were exposed to violence and abuse as children would probably be the more successful members of the group. Those people learned brutal lessons about violence from a very early age and would have the smallest "morality gap" to cross. I imagine most of us would be capable of just about anything under such horrific conditions. All you need to do is look at what happens during any of the dozens of genocides we have had on earth the last 100 years. Murder is usually one of the lesser crimes. Systematic rape, torture, forced labor, deliberate starvation, etc.,etc. We as a species, are almost limitless in how ugly we can get and how quickly we can "justify" crimes against humanity. Kill for food? Oh, I suspect once you're hungry enough, that would be far, far easier to do than we would like to think. Put a gun in our hands, where we do not have kill another human being with our bare hands - where it is not so "personal" - and it quickly becomes all too routine. A couple of years into that kind of horror? Killing another human being to ensure your survival would probably be as tough as swatting a fly.     
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 25, 2016, 11:38:35 AM
We always refer to the plague that has made TWD world what it is as the 'Zombie Apocalypse' yet, if I am correct, the term 'Zombie' is never mentioned when talking about the undead, or the many other names they have been given.

Wonder why?   My thought ponder of the day.  :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 28, 2016, 11:38:56 AM
What is this season, 5, 6 whatever, we should all know by now tghat when things seems to be going good for our group, NOTHING can be further from the truth.

Life i9s good for Glenn and Maggie
Rick and Michonne
Abraham and whomever he is settling with  but NO, Daryl feels the need for revenge since he ain't got no woman and we are off on another nail biting adventure where it sure seems as if there is, once again, no way out for our hero's.

So when we have had nice crisp endings to most of the episodes this part of the season, we are now in the midst of those old movie serials, making us have to come back for more

There is no doubt Daryl has been shot. (Talking Dead says it's a shoulder wound)
Has Carol been hurt and will Morgan be able to catch up and find her
And then there is Maggie and the baby

Daryl will not be killed off, but I still say,a s I did a while back, I can see if they did kill off a major character, with me still thinking Maggie (or Glenn).

Once thing I have to say, Carol sure has something up her sleeve   =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 28, 2016, 01:15:29 PM
Lenn, do you think since she realized that she did indeed kill for the group that she's come back down to earth? She walked off and away from the car when she could have taken off. Who do you think Dwight was talking to when he said, "You'll be alright"?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 28, 2016, 04:20:05 PM
Daryl.

Last we saw of Carol was she was being persued by one of the Saviors who we don't know if he is wounded (we assume he is). So  Morgan was following the blood trail and I don't think it is Carol's.

Who really knows what is going on in Carol's mind right about now?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 29, 2016, 06:02:17 PM
We always refer to the plague that has made TWD world what it is as the 'Zombie Apocalypse' yet, if I am correct, the term 'Zombie' is never mentioned when talking about the undead, or the many other names they have been given.

Wonder why?   My thought ponder of the day.  :o :o :o :o :o

“One of the things about this world is that people don’t know how to shoot people in the head at first, and they’re not familiar with zombies, per se,” Kirkman said on “Talking Dead.” “This isn’t a world the (George) Romero movies exist, for instance … because we don’t want to portray it that way, we felt like having them be saying ‘zombie’ all the time would harken back to all of the zombie films which we, in the real world, know about.
“So by calling them something different, we’re kind of giving a nod to … these people don’t understand the situation. They’ve never seen this in pop culture, this is a completely new thing for them.”
Another Kirkman nugget: Animals can’t become walkers/zombies. Only humans.

http://www.thewrap.com/why-walking-dead-walkers-are-called-walkers-and-an-episode-3-preview-video/ (http://www.thewrap.com/why-walking-dead-walkers-are-called-walkers-and-an-episode-3-preview-video/)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on April 04, 2016, 11:04:12 AM
Another season is now in the books and really, where do we go from here?. We basically went from an almost utopian setting to now utter destruction. Our band has gotten out of so many dire predicaments this season, and now another has befallen them, plus who has felt the wrath of Lucille?

Since I don't read the comics and do not have a clue as to anything about Negan, only what they say, that he is the baddest character EVER to appear on the show, so that really doesn't bide well for our group. He seems like he is here to stay a while.

So now we have to wait 6 months to see who is gone and how will our group cope as 'workers' for Negan.

Just reading on the internet today, many think it is Glen who was killed off, but I think it is one of the women in Abraham's life. That would make it a lot easier on him.

And, for what it is worth, and it is only hopefully thinking, MAYBE the guys that Morgan met offer some hope of another group able to out duel Negan. I see no other way out, but somehow, someway, they will survive to fight another day.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on April 04, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
I'm annoyed at how this season ended. Of course when seasons are months apart, there has to be a hook.

If I was Negan, I would have killed Rick. Cut off the head and the leader of the group but that's just me. I think he wants to see if he can control Rick and therefore control the group. Based on what I saw, he might have gone after the bravest one in Abraham but I think he wants strong followers and not weak ones. I would not have killed off any of the women as they would be a commodity to reward and breeding. Glen would be easy to control because of Maggie.

I think he did Eugene in. The weak link that they all validated as expendable by leaving him to die in the RV as a distraction.



   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on April 04, 2016, 04:27:52 PM
I have cheated. I do not think I could bare the suspense of waiting until the Fall to see how or what has happened. So I chose the cowardly way and googled the comic book version. Now the series doesn't always follow the comic book as I was reading, Denise is alive and well in the comics, but they do say who Negan killed off with Lucille, what is supposed to happen next and how our band gets out of this entire mess.

It will remain my secret as if anyone really wants to know, just do as I did. 

Also mentioned along the way is that the cast itself doesn't know who they are killing off until they come in to do the next season and read the script. So if the TV version follows the comics I can rest easy and know what is happening. But, as I said, the comics are just an outline and the TV version has strayed from the comics many times, so what do I really know---Not very much.  ~X( ~X( ~X( ~X( ~X( ~X( ~X(
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on April 04, 2016, 05:15:34 PM
I think it was said on the Talking Dead also that the cast members do not know who was killed off.

So many careless mistakes were made by Rick along the way and I really question his thinking and decision making as a leader of the group. He has doubted himself along the entire way always saying that the decisions are group decisions but with his persuasion.   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on April 04, 2016, 09:13:06 PM
Not just by Rick, by many of them, Daryl, Carol and many others who are not with them anymore.

Some thoughts I have been reading. Would Negan kill Rick to send a message to the group, you know, cut off the head of the dragon et al? If the shoe were on the other foot and Rick had Negan under his gun, do you think there would be any doubt he would blow his head off without breaking a sweat?. Just the way it would go down, so why might it not be the same for Negan killing off Rick?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on April 05, 2016, 07:37:29 AM
I thought it was another well done episode that made the viewer feel intense emotions.   I will also confess that I didn't like the sense of dread and hopelessness the episode elicited.   I liked to think of the band as bigger than life the ones that win the day and this episode was the opposite of that.  They all seemed way too frail and human and way too vulnerable.  I guess I got spoiled enjoying the first half of the season and could have almost ended the story with them living happily ever after after they banded together and rid their town of the zombies. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Hadron on April 06, 2016, 12:45:34 AM
If you kill Rick, you turn him into a martyr. Not only that but Rick is a known quantity AND you have leverage over him with Carl.



Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on April 06, 2016, 01:31:05 PM

 We had a nice discussion last night and everyone has their theories of who gets killed and why. A point brought out was that the writers who were on the Talking Dead show afterwards said it was 'an endearing character' (or something to that effect) that gets killed off. I would take that to mean one of the original people. I could see some one like Abraham, Sasha or any of the others that got picked up along the way, they aren't the heart and soul of our group. So, if taken from what the writers say, Rick maybe, Daryl-never, Mishonne-no, Carl-maybe, which now leaves Glenn or Maggie. Glenn has been so close to doom this season, if they wanted to kill him off they could have done so many times. Which leaves Maggie who I said a while ago could be killed off and the show doesn't skip a beat. When they started showing all those pix of her baby and they went sweet with that, first thing I thought of then, was she's done. And she is already having problems with the baby. That is my guess.

Now once they resume the show, as Negan said, they will be working for him, so he has to release the rest of the group. If he does that without insurance, how does he know what they have in their arsenal. They have already used a rocket launcher against his group so how does he know they don't have a storehouse of them. he doesn't, so he needs insurance, probably a hostage or two to insure that the group does what they are told.
Using this reasoning, I eliminated Rick and Carl from being killed off and Negan keeps Carl as a hostage, knowing Rick will not do anything stupid to endanger Carl's well being.
From all these points, the show can continue to new story lines. Negan is here for a long time, probably thru the entire next season.

Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: squibber on April 06, 2016, 01:32:27 PM
Has anyone watched the Z Nation TV series?  Not as good as TWD but it has scary parts and funny parts.  One of the guys is sort of a zombie whisperer because he was bitten but he didn't fully turn into a zombie.  He's pretty much human but he has a strange skin color and some scars.  The scene where he got a zombie stripper in a strip club to dance for him was hilarious.  Groups are obviously looking for this guy called "The Murphy" because he could be the key to a cure.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: squibber on April 06, 2016, 01:38:32 PM
I think the Jesus character and his group may aid in Rick's group's escape.  It's just a hunch.  In the last episode that Jesus was in, he was in camera view numerous times although he didn't have a lot of lines.  I think the writers have more in store for this character.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on April 06, 2016, 08:09:24 PM
That's a good point Squib. We also wondered what the hell has happened to him. He made such a great intro into the series and I really thought he was going to be a major player, but he has basically disappeared along with all the other Hill-toppers. He knew how to take care of himself very well but why has he been absent from most of the second part of the season after a great intro?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: squibber on September 18, 2016, 09:35:34 AM
The Walking Dead.  Puppy Edition!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GeliiKvaM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GeliiKvaM)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on September 18, 2016, 12:11:10 PM
The Walking Dead.  Puppy Edition!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GeliiKvaM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GeliiKvaM)

That is great!!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on September 19, 2016, 07:20:14 PM
The Walking Dead.  Puppy Edition!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GeliiKvaM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GeliiKvaM)

Without that great music, it's just a cute puppy thing, but now, .................. 

great stuff.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 01, 2016, 05:42:56 PM
I know the new season is still 3 weeks away, but it's time to start thinking about this again. I've been trying to read all that I can about whom people think was killed off, and NO ONE KNOWS anything. Cast has been sworn to secrecy, and if ANYONE reveals anything they will be sued. People are just trying to see who may be around shooting future episodes for next season, so get an idea who is around, but as this point it is ALL speculation.

So, now you had all summer to think about who may have been killed off by Negan, so who do you think it is, and why.

My own opinion, the women I feel are safe, Rick and Daryl are safe, after that it's fair game.

Seems the consensus is that it is either Glenn, Abraham or Aaron, but,a s I said, it is all speculation. Glenn does seem like a logical move as we thought we lost him last year, but he was saved by that dumpster, so now could be his time. Abraham--he looks tough and Negan may want to do this as a power move to get rid of the 'big guy'. Aaron might be a logical choice, maybe even Eugene, but  either wouldn't be as much a shocker as any of our original main crew.

Just the word is that the opener will be graphic and horrible.

So once this goes down, where do we go from here. We still have several 'good guys' out there, Morgan, Carol, Jesus, the priest? and the other crew that Morgan met, seems from another group of survivors. I would assume our group is taken prisoner and has to work for Negan until something happens when they can break free. Will this next arc concentrate on this group or spend a lot of time on the others who are also out there, trying to survive. During the shows years, it seems that when the group is separated, they do spend a lot of time on the other characters instead of the main story line.

It's been too long since this cliffhanger, and it has gotten about as much play as who shot JR from the old Dallas TV show.

so what do you think?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 01, 2016, 07:58:53 PM
I believe the person or persons who get killed has already been leaked. very much so Lenn.
 Unfortunately I am aware of whats up so to speak and have worded this as best I can to NOT divulge anything.
 Knowing, in advance, just sucks and as has happened in the past, is not because I was trying to find out.
 I will say this, season 5 and part of season 6 got leaked big time by some real jerks that camped out in trees with telephoto lens cameras. The people involved with making the walking dead and the local residents have been very good about keeping it quiet but other means caused the leak. that is , it wasn't because of some bozo "paparazzi" type.
 Seeing that this is my favorite show it ticks me off to know, BUT I am doing my best to keep telling myself they did the things they did to "confuse" us the audience. so ive got myself to a place that when all this happens I can NOT be all kinds of disappointed, if that makes sense.
 be aware, as we get closer, there wil be people that will attempt to "spoil it" in a much more loudmouthed way. so ignore it and  stay away form the walking dead websites, theyre dozens of them that range from the great {and non spoiler} ones like" trevs channel2". heck there are people that have made complete promos for the show and put them up as authentic, except all the sceanes in them are from previous episodes.
 so , lets all enjoy it when it returns!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 01, 2016, 10:13:11 PM
I am the type that does like to know in advance what is going on. I did kind of scour the internet, but there is no definite word, at least not where I was looking. But, in this case, I really want to be surprised. It's like when you are having a baby, some like to know the sex in advance and others don't. I'm in the 'don't want to know department.  Knowing what will happen, if that is your case, does spoil the anticipation of the premier. I have heard several sites saying that maybe more than one will end up dead in the first episode, but again, it is all speculation as no one knows, at least where I have read.  So this won't spoil anyone's 'event' because I just don't know.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on October 01, 2016, 11:01:28 PM
I'm a little ahead from reading the comics. I think it's no secret it's Glen in the comics. I think they may stay that path to propel Maggie forward on a new role. That would be more dramatic than anybody other than Carl or Rick dying. As Lenn said,  the women are safe. Daryl isn't  guaranteed  safe either, but I think Glen. Abraham if there's a second. Eugene still has a future role to play that only he can.

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 06, 2016, 04:35:03 PM
You are probably right. I haven't read the comics but converse with several that have and the show strays very far from the comics at certain points. They have characters alive now that were killed in the comics and visa versa. It may be a guide, but with these producers and writers, you just never know.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 07, 2016, 07:31:04 PM
better question might be if people are NOT in the Peach State and are off doing movies and such during filming it MIGHT mean.......oh ok ill shut off the rumor mill!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on October 17, 2016, 09:26:22 AM
The two hour Walking Dead special last night ended with a preview of next week's episode. I got the impression that more than one was killed by Negan's comments about "Whoever is left". Rick looks him in the eyes and tells him "I'm going to kill you. It may not be today and it may not be tomorrow...but I'm gonna kill you." Negan asks, what was his weapon when he came in here. They brought him Rick's hatchet. Then Negan was dragging Rick indoors after sliding Rick's Hatchet in his belt.

Rich wasn't weeping. At least at that point so I'm thinking certain key members of that group survived.

This is going to be an intense episode.     
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 17, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
That was a GREAT 2 hour recap of the entire series. It reminded me of how truly great this series has been, how far we really have come since Rick woke up from that coma, in Atlanta and who we lost along the way. If anyone is new to this series, you can catch up real quick with this show.

At least we know Rick has survived-----------for now.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 17, 2016, 10:20:07 PM
Been watching the reruns. im writing this and Dale just dies here about 5 mins ago.
You know, I think this may be the finest drama Ive ever watched on TV. Im serious, watching this character developement form start to the current spot, The acting, the scripts, they are always outside!!!! Nope no sound stage xxxxxxxx, they shoot this baby outside , in Georgia, in the freaking summer!
 there really isn't any bad acting either. some may not be as Talented as Tom Hanks in "Philedelphia" or Brando In "on the waterfront" but the acting actually is so much better then you see elsewhere on the tube and definitely the movies to boot!  Shoot even got Bear Mccready doing the music.
 I mean why cant the other networks stop grinding out the contest mindless garbage they make with sit coms that suck and stupid ass "reality" junk which no one with a IQ over 100 would ever watch?????? I mean spend some money and actually PRODUCE something! hows this sound? you make quality programming and people will watch! no kidding! but nooooooo, its just "two broke diks", and "Fantasy lifestyles of the focked up and  stupid" and "who is going to survive at the sewage plant"?...  I say we vote the turds out!
 anyway, I sure do love this tv show.
soon I hope Daryl beats the bastard Dwight half to death and pins his ears to a tree with a couple of arrows!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 21, 2016, 07:34:31 PM
apparently, 3 days ago the script for Season 7 episode 1 got leaked. bummer! hope they sue the jerk for as much as they can, IF they can find him. One thing they definitely can do, is go after the websites dedicated to the walking dead that repeated it. THe number one site, Trev's Channel 2. wont talk about it as apparently hes had correspondence with AMC and he doesn't reveal "spoilers. That's why I follow his channel . Hes actually pretty good for a guy that's totally hooked on the comic book series and then does his channel knowing that he has viewers who don't read the comics.
 they actually sent him a bat , same one that Neegan uses I guess as a reward for NOT printing fotos and such about the show that he receives.
 Plus like you guys, I really do not want to know ahead of time, I really don't.
 oh well. times getting close now, looking forward to it Sunday night!  :ok:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 22, 2016, 12:20:39 PM
I wonder if a thread about TWD regarding subjects like: biggest error you've noticed, favorite episode and why, favorite character and why, that sort of thing would go over????? what do y'all think?
 I will say this, remember when the governor beat the holy bejesus outta Rick after he had killed Herschel? well think about this, right after he kills Herschel with the sword Carl shot him in the right arm. then a few minutes later hes beating the heck outta Rick. Pretty good for a right handed man with a 30/30 or 30.06 bullitt thru his right arm don't ya know?
 fav character? Carol. shes just so good at being "Susie Homemaker" but she can kill you at the drop of the hat. 2nd fav is Daryl of course, he's almost as cool as Steve Mqueen!
 cant wait for the opener tomorrow night!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 24, 2016, 03:01:50 AM
The season premier and not one comment? I am blown away! I thought I would come here and there would be two, maybe three, pages of comments. I'm going to assume you folks dvr it and I will refrain from giving anything away. I thought it was a strong opening and I thought it was handled well. The physical and the psychological. Strong kickoff to a new season where many new roads can be explored. As for the victim, or victims, of Neegan's bat, I think the choice,  or choices, was appropriate and necessary to restore some, imho, tarnished credibility. Len, you and your library group are going to have one hell of a discussion!!!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 24, 2016, 12:17:26 PM
That was a very brutal season opener. Without giving anything away, I think Rick for the first time since the series started is absolutely terrified by the situation he and his group are now facing.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 24, 2016, 01:44:33 PM
That was a very brutal season opener. Without giving anything away, I think Rick for the first time since the series started is absolutely terrified by the situation he and his group are now facing.

I disagree. I really don't think they, Rick in particular, is terrified. Worried maybe, but once they get back to Alexandria, they will start planning something. Probably won't do any good, but Rick just doesn't seem the type to roll over and die.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 24, 2016, 01:46:17 PM
well tucker, if you look above you will see I posted 3 times in a row without anyone even responding. I tried to make the posts meaningful as I am absolutely enthralled with the amazing scripts, tremendous acting that I think we have all grown to really admire. It is, as ive stated repeatedly perhaps THE bravest show ever put on tv.
 I can overlook the errors over the years the show has made since if you watch, or read sci-fi its important to understand that certain aspects that go against the laws of nature , or physics have to be accepted. Walkers have no heart beat but they bleed as a example.
 If you want my opinion , which I believe no one wants to hear as Ive received no reponse above [now, no offense to anyone here } it really bothered me regarding all the hype over Negan. It wasn't necessary, really it wasn't. what? they are afraid of the ratings dropping? B.S. on that as it rates as high as you can get for a drama in the history of tv. SO I call "foul" on the hype.
 the second thing that REALLY bothers me is that starting with the conclusion of season 6, with the use of a first person shot of YOU the viewer getting killed, was over the top. THen the killings in the season 7 opener, again way too gory and uncalled for. doesn't have to be that gruesome. The show has had one on one living killings but not like this. Hell, NO show has ever been this over the top and if they think the way to hold the viewer is what Im going to call "cheap, sensational" violence then they are going to lose viewers. It just isn't necessary to kill the living like that.
 Im actually kind of pissed at them for going this far. I will continue to watch as there is nothing else on tv as well done as this show is but if you are going to use cheap violence you will lose adults and gain the younger "slasher" movie types.
 I just hope it doesn't take 5 years for Negan to get killed by Rick or Carl.
 again , just my opinion.
 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 24, 2016, 01:53:06 PM
oh yeah, I didn't even get into how deeply the psychological torture involved was.
 People are very invested in the show and its characters. to put some people through that was way above the "normal" amount of psychological distress that has been in the past 6 seasons. For that reason Im not quite sure how teenagers watching and involved with the show will respond.
 I feel that should have been considered .
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 24, 2016, 01:55:05 PM
I also felt it was one of their best episodes so far. Even with the killings, it was done 'professionally' and not looking for just more gore. These guys we lost were part of a family, and although they had to go, it was done with trying to sensationalize the entire thing. Before I get into the 'meat and potatoes' of this new season, I was thinking while watching it, how much different a good cast and writers make over that ten cent copy FTWD. What trash compared to this.

As I don't read the comics, it was known that in the comics Glenn was killed by Negan and it did come to pass. As with Abraham, he was also killed in the comics, but it happened before this, so things are pretty much where they should be. Was I surprised, not really as these were the two who were suspected of being killed off.
Negan is one bad dude and I truly believe that,a s Rich said, he will kill him one day.

One thing that I picked up on, and I don't know if it was meant this way. When Negan wanted Rich to chop off Carl's arm, I was reminded of the story of Abraham from the Bible with God telling Abraham to kill his only son. I sort of likened Negan to his trying to be God over all and telling Rick to chop off his son's arm and them stopping him so Rick will serve him as Abraham served his God.

If anyone watched the Talking Dead afterwards some good insights into the show, the character and the writers basically saying they knew who was going to be killed off over a year ago.

Can't wait for the next episode. My problem is I am going away for the next 3 weeks and I don't know if I'll have a chance to watch any of the next few shows until I get back.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 24, 2016, 02:01:40 PM
Weeze

Sorry if you are annoyed that no one responded to your post. There really wasn't much to say until today.

And I was posting my last thoughts when you posted yours. As I said, I really didn't think the killings of Glenn and Abraham were that gory. Come on, you hit people over the head with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire, it's going to cause some damage. I think they go a whole lot worse in the way they destroy the walkers. Even that dude, I forgot his name (Bob?) who got eaten in that revolving door, now that was gross. Now I'm not saying they could have just killed them without showing anything, but this is not the mantra of the show. I just felt that they did most of the gruesome stuff off camera with just the suggestions of what was really happening.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on October 24, 2016, 03:32:19 PM
Just great stuff!  My girlfriend spilled the beans on too many leaked stories which I hate. However, I fully thought Carl was gonna lose an arm. I loved the gore, just brought the violence and emotion to an extreme. Rick has never felt so impotent so long, you can feel the despair. I true POW perspective of being helpless.

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 24, 2016, 04:01:04 PM
nah, Im not annoyed, its just I put up 3 posts and no one says a word and then the next post is" how come no ones talking about twd"?
 as you know im devoted to the show, I "THINK" some other people here are also. as I said, imho, no show has ever been this bold. acting, scripts, shot on location, music and sound, the whole package.
still think the negan deaths were too much. but I did notice that no one I read about or heard about felt the same way when season six's last episode featured a first person death. See, I wrote that off that I was just someone with a different viewpoint, that maybe my Christian upbringing and age might have something to do with it. But from what I see on the net, a LOT, and I mean a LOT of people think the violence and psychological torture was "over the top". so Im not alone, just maybe on here.
 anyway like I said Im not annoyed at all.
 damn I want Daryl to dust that Dwight focker . don't know when and where but he will. Rick? hes crushed but they will come back to fight. I f Maggie can do it, they all can do it. No matter how many Negan has, one bullet to the face and that's the end of negans organization as they are a bunch of citthroats and scallywags!!!!! LOVE THAT WORD, scallywags! for sure, major war is coming with a combination of all the groups against negan. just a question of how many seasons and can they keep the "dream alive" so to speak.
 I liked the show more before this negan character but hes essential to the comic as I understand it.
P>S> I also think the God asking Abraham to kill his son to prove his belief in god part with cutting off carl's arm???? that was totally unsuitable for younger minds.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 24, 2016, 05:49:53 PM
If this is the new direction they plan on taking the show, I may stop watching.   The show has not been fun and frankly watching a monster get his rocks off by torturing my favorite characters is not my idea of fun.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 24, 2016, 07:23:53 PM
If this is the new direction they plan on taking the show, I may stop watching.   The show has not been fun and frankly watching a monster get his rocks off by torturing my favorite characters is not my idea of fun.


sorry you feel that way. Personally, I think it is better than ever. Maybe the best show on TV right now. After all, the show isn't geared toward little kids, it's an adult show with adult language, adult action and an adult story line.

Funny thing, I watched the last show of last season, right before watching the new season, and I thought about this entire series. It is a dramatic show, very dark and very fore boding. I don't think there was EVER any humor directed in the show at all. Even some of the darkest movies and series, have a bit of levity that they inject, just to break the mood, but not TWD. I just can't remember anything that was meant to be humorous. We have found humor in characters like Eugene and others, but that was just the character and nothing written into the script.
If you can't stand the darkness, then move into the light, but, as I said, I crave for adult TV, when most of TV is trash geared towards 12 year olds. This show is entertaining, and I crave more.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 25, 2016, 01:05:47 AM
A lot to address here - 1) weeze I think that's a really unfair misrepresentation of what I said. I did NOT say how come no one is talking about walking dead. I said "the season premiere and not one comment?". I think it was fairly obvious that I was talking about the premiere and not the series in general.
2) too much gore? Not for me. I am with Lenn 100% on this one. It's a show for adults. I expect adult fare. If it was too gory for you, I can respect that. Different strokes for different folks. As for kids watching, I have kids in my house and TWD is password protected. Do some kids watch the show? Yep. That is their parents decision. I don't feel an adult show needs to be watered down because some parents don't screen what their children watch. Besides, that scene with Glenn's eye was so fake, IMHO, it completely broke the illusion. Felt like I was back in the 70s watching bad special effects disaster movies like Earthquake and The Towering Inferno.
3) Psychological torture? I am sorry but that is a horrible choice of words. At NO point in the show was I NOT aware that the actor, Steven Yuen, was healthy, safe, and happily married to a woman that is NOT named Maggie. Psychological torture is when you are led to believed your loved ones are dead, not when characters on a TV show " die". Having worked on a psychiatric unit, I can verify that a majority of people that most of us would describe as incapacitated by mental illness can tell you what's on the TV is not real.
4) I was raised hard core Catholic and I did not see Carl's arm as alluding to biblical Abraham. Interesting take. I disagree because one act was a test of faith and the other was establishing domination. But I like that you went there because it made me reflect on it in entirely different way.
5) rich - it wasn't supposed to be fun. They needed to make a subservient Rick plausible. How do you do that? People he loves have to die. The vulnerability that children cause parents to feel had to be brought into focus. They needed a way for you to watch next week and hear Rick say, "I'm not in charge. Neegan is." and have you believe it. Could they have done something else and made that plausible while maintaining some script continuity? I'm not sure they could have and made it believable.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on October 25, 2016, 08:01:25 AM
We watch the show with my 17 year old niece and for the first time I wondered how this would effect her. I saw her the next day and she said she was sad all day over this show. We talked about how this is only a TV show and that after the show the Talking Dead featured all the actors on that episode. We discussed how the killing of Glenn and Abraham effected the actors who became like family. The take on Norman Reedus and the Darly character and how they joked about it on Talking Dead.

The difference between the Walking Dead and FTWD is very apparent after watching this last episode. From the acting to the plot, in fact overall effect.

I think in the minds of all the fans they are anticipating the revenge against Negan and his group. The writers know this and I don't see this happening in the near term. It looks like they will spin off each episode, with this next one featuring Carol and Morgan.

The take on Rick and how he was dealing with all this was mixed. He was shaking and trembling. He had opportunity to kill Negan several times. One time he reached for the axe and failed. The deterrent was that if he did kill Negan, it would mean certain death to his family and friends. He wasn't going to open the door and walk out of that Camper proclaiming himself ruler over all. So, why did he pick up the ax?

The actions of Rick and Darly caused the death of Glenn and caused the group more heartbreak and horrific pain. The scene after they were all left sitting on the ground at dawn looking at each other in the aftermath was powerful and poignant.

The Negan Character is a complex one. He is a master at manipulation, intimidation and brutal savagery. Nobody they ever faced to this point was at his level. The Governor was nothing compared this this character. He played them every step of the way and casualties of his own group is just a numbers game to him. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 25, 2016, 09:04:04 AM
I look at it this way.  I turn on television to be entertained.   The show got a whole lot less entertaining now that 2 of my favorite characters are gone.

I think TWD is making the same mistake that LOST made.   Killing off too many characters that fans have become attached to.  Kill too many off and the ones that are left are not all that interesting and lacking in the emotional attachment.  TWD is becoming too much like FTWD where the emotional impact of the show will be lacking because there is a lack of caring for many of the characters that are left.

Plus the sort of darkness that one is put through in the last episode of last season and the first of this season are supposed to be paid off with some sort of victory a from the depths of darkness....      Instead, that's not happening.  It's simply just an unpleasant situation which isn't going to change for a long time to come.

I get it that this is the punishment for the way they had become completely ruthless killers who killed without mercy and precious justification.   Punishment is not fun, though.  It's not fun to receive or watch.   

I will stick around for a few more episodes but unless the writers can pull off a miracle I am thinking this is my last season.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 25, 2016, 10:16:35 AM
tucker, you are reading something into my comment that isn't accurate. no harm no foul. really!!!!
 Im stuck between what everyone here has said. For sure this Negan guy is going to be around for YEARS. Im with MG in that this past show was NOT entertaining to me. I love the show and love tha characters but starting at the end of season 6 this is border line "American Psycho" without the humor.
 Woke up this morning, Tuesday and the FIRST thing I thought of was how much I dislike the direction the show has taken.
 Believe it, the show will lose viewers on this episode. As for me, Im still in until they pull another boner like this one.
 Im sure the nielsens for sunday nights show will be record setting I would think.
 GO CUBS GO!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 25, 2016, 10:48:35 AM
You got the ratings right Weeze

http://deadline.com/2016/10/walking-dead-ratings-season-7-premiere-nfl-1201842022/ (http://deadline.com/2016/10/walking-dead-ratings-season-7-premiere-nfl-1201842022/)

the question will be if they can sustain or if people who stop enjoying the show start to tune out
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 25, 2016, 10:55:28 AM
I totally disagree that the show will start a downward trend and start losing viewers. TOTALLY. In fact the show will be more watched than ever. Maybe it is us, a different generation, but younger people (not teens, but younger adults) have been watching things like this for years in the movies. This isn't the 30's and the 40's and the 50's where it was written that the bad guys had to be punished at the end. This is a new world where bad guys survive and thrive. If you don't like that, then just don't watch, but for me, I found this episode, even if it was horrific, was so entertaining that you could not turn away.

OK, to those that found it 'too much' could you have turned your TV off before the end of the show. If so, then you ARE thru with this show. Even if I hated what was going on, it was so riveting that there was no way I could even look away for a second. That IS what I want from a TV show. Dark--yes, depressing--for sure, well acted--terrific, great story line--you bet, horrific at times-YES, but that is what makes it 'must watch TV'. And, like it or not, more and more people will watch. This is NOTHING like Lost. Lost basically lost it's way and ran out of story line and had to make it up on the fly. Here we are made to feel, for that one hour a week, we are part of the Zombie Apocalypse and we are part of that family. So when they grieve, we grieve. To ME, that is the main goal of every TV series, to make the audience feel for each character and be part of their family in every way.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 25, 2016, 11:12:35 AM
Ok , here are the numbers.
 One can only guess where these numbers will be in say, two weeks.
 anyway, it kicked serious butt as we all new it would.
hope this attachs, cant trust my non upgradeable system 7 laptop!  :what:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 25, 2016, 11:15:16 AM
yall really should read the attachment. I pretty much agree with it. Im not trying to change anyones mind or opinion, its just , well, this person is obviously a much better writer then I am. all I seem to do is get people mad at me when I didn't mean to.
  this is what happens when you quit smoking after 50 years of enjoying it immensely.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 25, 2016, 12:54:55 PM
Weeze - we're all good! I was never mad at you, I just thought you were feeling that I was blowing you off.

Everyone has different tastes. If it was too gory for your liking, that's legitimate. If killing long running characters turns you off, that's legitimate. If you choose to stop watching because it no longer entertains you, that's legitimate and sensible. Walking Dead got ya down? Walk away. Problem solved. I think what we saw was true to what is supposed to be the guiding principle of the show, " how do people live during a zombie apocalypse? Just like the fall of Rome gave us the Dark Ages, the fall of civilization today would be violent, brutish, and unforgiving. Your chance at survival may very well depend on denying another person their chance. Before you say, "Never! Not me!", picture someone you love slowly starving to death. Could you watch a loved one, literally, waste away? That's the world these characters live in. Would you be that different from Rick? From Neegan? Maybe you don't want to even contemplate such a thing. That's legitimate, too. I liked the premiere and I like the direction. I feel like things just got "real". But, I certainly can understand the point of view where you watch TV to be entertained and this was uncomfortable for you. I am excited to explore this new world. But, any of you that decide it's not for you, I can completely respect that. It is, obviously, nothing more than a TV show. No sense in spending time watching something that ruins your day.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 25, 2016, 01:43:07 PM
heres the parts I don't like.
showing the "results" of what was a characters head beaten into a sloppy soup.
 and the big one, the sceane where if you don't cut off your kids arm we are gonna shoot all your friends. right now, make a choice.
 The second part, now that's too much.........again in my opinion.
hey can we skip writing "in my opinion"? is it necessary? its tireing.
  it will be interesting, cant wait for the next episode, I figger they have to give up the psychological warfare for awhile. I guess the opening episode was shot , at night obviously, by working all night for 10 nights and that everyone involved had problems doing the sceanes, especially reshoots, of course that's all they are gonna say , they are pretty darn tight lipped about it,
 Ok so onward and upward, Im hoping for a little more sanity.
 Oh and I should say, I will miss those characters. ...."mother dick"....hahahahahahahaha 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 25, 2016, 02:28:32 PM
Len (and others enjoying this new dark turn),

If you're enjoying the show, have at it.  This is sort of a vanilla or chocolate ice cream sort of debate, to each their own.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on October 25, 2016, 02:57:23 PM
One of the lessons of the last few episodes is how mistakes in judgement can be very costly in loss of life and very quickly. Someone on Talking Dead mentioned from the audience how they look forward to Maggie being a leader. Her instigation of talking these people on resulted in the death of Glenn her husband and the father of her expected child. Rick going along with that without proper due diligence and research and his plan to march the dead out of town almost resulted in the destruction of all of them and Alexandria. With all the military training Abraham had he didn't have a military mind. Certain characters are a liability in terms of influence on the group.

Rick is lucky to be alive and it's a mistake on the part of Negan with his ego to break Rick down instead of killing him. Take away the head and the body dies. It was clear to Negan who the alpha males were in Rick and Daryl. He should have killed them both. This decision based on feeding his ego will result in his demise. He also did all of this in front of his own men and women and made statements as to their being a commodity. I'm sure there are several individuals in that group who follow him only out of fear. That group will become divided and they will go to war among themselves with some subtle persuasion.

Somewhere along the line and I have never read the Comic Novel we will see one of the Fear The Walking Dead group come across this group or it may go the other way where they venture west and run from all this to later return with a vengeance and an Army.

The killing off of major Characters and the coming on of new characters is what had kept this show going and although it's a major setback, they move on and it regains it's Mojo. I expect Jesus to step up and become a major character. I expect to see this group split into subgroups and build their own numbers and form alliances.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on October 25, 2016, 03:50:36 PM
I'm up to speed on the latest comic. I like how they keep us guessing when the will follow the plot or stray. For example, Dwight with the burned face, is a huge ally in the comic, I suspect they won't go that way on TV with him as Daryl's adversery. Glens death propels Maggie to a leadership role. Negan is a little like Shane, will  protect his group at any cost. Hasn't history had many successful hated leaders do the same?  Hasn't history and war been dark, brutal, and real?  There is no interaction with FTWD characters yet. There is a whole new threat out there not revealed yet, the Whisperers. There is community, civilization, success and commerce. This is currently my favorite TV series, slightly ahead of Game of Thrones.

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 25, 2016, 04:20:09 PM
As I have said, I don't read the comics but several people I know do and they sort of keep us informed as the where the comics do go. I believe that they follow the comic, only to a point because they just don't want the audience to know exactly what is coming next. If it followed it exactly everyone would have known that Glenn was the one getting killed. but instead we all had to guess.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on October 25, 2016, 07:08:50 PM
I won't read the comic because it will ruin the show for me. If anyone wants to discuss the comic plot please let me know so I stay off this thread.


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 25, 2016, 09:40:31 PM
As I said, I don't read the comics, but I go to a TWD group meeting every week and several of them have read them. It's funny, if you watched the Talking Dead afterwards, the writers said that they have enough material to keep the show going for quite  a while longer. I think they mentioned 10 years as a reference.
Not to say anything but the people who do read the comics, agree with that whole heartedly. So prepare ourselves. As Bette Davis said in All About Eve, 'It's going to be a bumpy ride'.   :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 26, 2016, 12:09:41 AM
I've got to agree with Ed on the comics. Too big of a chance for spoilers. Talking about an event after the fact is fine, ex. Glenn's death. But now I know the Whisperers are coming?!? I didn't want to know that! Sure, its not a big spoiler. It's about as small as they come. But, even still, I want to hear from the characters that the Whisperers are coming. See it thru their eyes. If you guys want to discuss the comics, please start another thread. I like the comics, too. But I deliberately pace myself so slowly to make sure I don't ruin the show. Comic wise, I just finished reading Michonne cutting up the Governor.  :o
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on October 26, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
I skipped over many of the posts once I started hearing about the comic.  I am in the camp of not wanting to know what the comic did or didn't do
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: squibber on October 26, 2016, 10:45:57 AM
There seemed to be an error in the last episode.  Remember when Negan threw the axe out the door of the RV and told Rick to get it?  It appeared Negan threw the axe to the ground.  So how did the axe get on top of the RV?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 26, 2016, 10:46:48 AM
well  so far we have kept the comics out of the thread. If we are talking a vote here, I also say NO COMIC TALK!
 Hows this sound? I propose "NEW RULES" as Bill Maher would say.
 we agree to keep all references to the tv show AND anything said on TAALKING DEAD. Now I believe "the whisperers" have already been mentioned on there.
Hows that sound? FAIR? we all agree kinda? hope so.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 26, 2016, 10:47:56 AM
I noticed that also Squib. left me wondering.....
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on October 26, 2016, 12:18:40 PM
I made some small referances to the comic, trying to be responsible with what I said. I hear yall, I'll void it going forward. I did mention they mix it up enough to keep everybody guessing. I was ticked off about Internet leaks too.

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 27, 2016, 03:17:56 AM
There seemed to be an error in the last episode.  Remember when Negan threw the axe out the door of the RV and told Rick to get it?  It appeared Negan threw the axe to the ground.  So how did the axe get on top of the RV?

When he threw Rick out of the RV, Rick hit the ground. Rick picked up the axe, dispatched a few walkers, then climbed to the roof of the RV where he put the axe down. Unfortunately, I just deleted the episode, so that's going strictly on memory. If l messed up sequence, location, or got it wrong all together, my sincere apologies in advance.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 27, 2016, 03:30:08 AM
Something you have to keep in mind is although The Walking Dead is a drama, it's also a horror show. There's been lots of gore and violence on the show over the years so when people thought the head bashing scenes were too much, well, I understand but it goes with the genre. All the different ways the zombies get taken down are usually pretty graphic and there's been a lot of gory deaths over the past six seasons as well.

I don't think Negan is done yet either. I have a feeling some more of the secondary characters will likely die off at the mid-season or season finale. I feel this way because Rick and company took out a lot of Negan's people and without remorse. It was in cold blood. It's going to take more than 2 of his people dying to make up for that. I'm curious to see where it goes from here.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: McGIANTS on October 27, 2016, 03:32:18 AM
There seemed to be an error in the last episode.  Remember when Negan threw the axe out the door of the RV and told Rick to get it?  It appeared Negan threw the axe to the ground.  So how did the axe get on top of the RV?

I noticed this too. I thought maybe it was a different axe? Or it was an overlooked continuity error.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on October 27, 2016, 10:13:25 AM
Negan tossed the Ax on the roof from the door, not outside on the ground. You can hear it make the noise against the metal. Start at around 8:20 of the film.

http://www.amc.com/shows/the-walking-dead/full-episodes/season-07/episode-01/the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be (http://www.amc.com/shows/the-walking-dead/full-episodes/season-07/episode-01/the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: squibber on October 27, 2016, 10:23:31 AM
Negan tossed the Ax on the roof from the door, not outside on the ground. You can hear it make the noise against the metal. Start at around 8:20 of the film.

http://www.amc.com/shows/the-walking-dead/full-episodes/season-07/episode-01/the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be (http://www.amc.com/shows/the-walking-dead/full-episodes/season-07/episode-01/the-day-will-come-when-you-wont-be)

Thanks, Ed.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 27, 2016, 07:19:40 PM
Ok well I guess I missed that. So Rick threw the hatchet up there and THEN climbed on  top of the RV> KUDOS to you that saw that thing go up on top!! I sure missed it. I do so remember thinking how what was that??????? :ok:
 I know this, I will not watch a rerun. Once was more then enuff for me.
  How many of you follow "TREVSCHAN2" ? I kinda like it and he is super closed mouthed regarding spoilers and he gets them all! I think hes recognized as being THE Walking Dead utube channel out there. They sent him a bat with rubber barbwire on it. I think because they appreciate how closed mouthed about things he knows. There are a few other channels out there but they take in paparazzi type fotos and that sort of thing so I stay away form them. :boooo:
 was just wondering, :what:
 Oh and just to be clear , I hate Negan, I find him boring and I think somebody ought to just shoot him in the face but by now we all know hes going to be around in one form or another for a real long time.
 Oh and Id shoot him with a 9mm, with a hoolow point defense round in there, make sure he dies "real good"..... :D :D :D
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on October 27, 2016, 10:10:08 PM
I'd been traveling recently, and have been taking care of a few things since I got back. Because of that I've been ignoring this thread. I still haven't read anything since the season opener, which I just finished watching a few minutes ago. Way too much to process to offer any comments right now. I'll be back later.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on October 28, 2016, 03:13:37 PM
Im gonna load ALL 5 of my AK47 mags and get ready for negan to come to my house and ask me for half my stuff!
 could be walkers in the woods across and next door to myhouse, or, since walkers don't drown they could come up outta the canal , walk up, cross my swimming pool and attack from the back yard!
 should I load my handguns also?
Oh and I have a WW2 Jap officers sword in a cradle on top of the china cabinet where I keep all the other ww2 stuff I have. Hey that's right, I should load the luger too.
so that a AK lots of ammo
one Luger 9mm, lots of ammo
One Bersa 9, same
one bersa 380. few hundred rounds
 50 rds of .22 but that may not be big enuff to go thru the skull plus its a bolt action.
 one 30.06 springfield, ww2 but no ammo
one over and under savage .410 but all the ammo is bird shot.
 one 12 gauge 1976 Ithaca model 37 but no ammo
 neegen? ill use the katana and hit em in the face!

 what do you guys think? think im adequetly armed to take on walkers and Negan?
 or, I could just sic my killer Betsydawg on him!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 29, 2016, 01:56:00 AM
weeze - you own all that and you don't own the greatest 22 of all time? Ruger 10/22! Number one selling gun in America for decades. Interconnected 25 round mags with METAL feed lips. Just try to make it misfeed a round! It won't do it. And the number one fun 22 gun, 22 magnum no less, is the Kel-Tec PMR 30. The "dragon" because of how often it "spits" fire. Kel Tec mags are from hell, tho. Would NEVER trust them in a crisis.  :no:

I was thinking if the zombie apocalypse could happen, what would be the best weapon choice? Then, I remembered Valerie Taylor testing modified chain mail against sharks.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoqgbyGnPr8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoqgbyGnPr8)

If the walkers do come, I'll be the dude in chain mail.  ;) It ain't what you carry, it's what you wear when it comes to walkers. People? Well, that's the REAL threat. I'll take a herd of walkers over a Neegan, anyday.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on October 29, 2016, 10:26:32 AM
Let me ask a question

Thru 5 seasons, the walkers were the main sort of theme of the show. Now it is Negan and humans in general that are the threat. Do you feel the walkers will now be secondary, as the humans really don't seem to fear them as much as in previous seasons. It's nothing to go out and kill 5,6, 8 walkers without even working up a sweat.

We said this last season, humans seem to be the bigger threat, walkers take a back seat?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on October 29, 2016, 06:50:25 PM
Let me ask a question

Thru 5 seasons, the walkers were the main sort of theme of the show. Now it is Negan and humans in general that are the threat. Do you feel the walkers will now be secondary, as the humans really don't seem to fear them as much as in previous seasons. It's nothing to go out and kill 5,6, 8 walkers without even working up a sweat.

We said this last season, humans seem to be the bigger threat, walkers take a back seat?

Absolutely. It's all about the human condition and the struggle for survival in a new World.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on October 29, 2016, 10:59:27 PM
I agree Lenn & Ed. Notice that the megaherds have all but disappeared? Sure, we had the one from the quarry, but that was a "controlled" release. Also, walkers are all in an advanced state of decay, so they are an easier kill now. Think back 3 or 4 seasons ago and how much difficult it was to kill them barehanded or with a small knife. Now, you push them over and step on their head and it pops like an overripe tomato.  :o These walkers are less fierce than the ones in Atlanta or Herschel's farm. Humans are the real danger - which is the one perfectly accurate theme in the show. If, or when, civilization collapses, what else is there to be afraid of? We have weapons that make killing any predatory animal - if you can even find any - a much simpler task than it was a mere century ago. I know what a grizzly can and may do. Man didn't set up the rules for how grizzlies behave, evolution did. Take away all laws, and a police force that can enforce them, and I have NO idea what a stranger coming towards me may do. If I truly want to be safe, I kill him/her and go on my way.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 01, 2016, 11:46:14 AM
Wow. No thoughts on the kingdom? I have to admit, I enjoyed the line about making sure the pigs were well fed.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on November 01, 2016, 02:44:58 PM
Wow. No thoughts on the kingdom? I have to admit, I enjoyed the line about making sure the pigs were well fed.

The Kingdom was a great episode.  It's a shame it was just a brief respite before we get back to the darkness
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on November 01, 2016, 02:56:38 PM
I see a romance between the King and Carol. If they get married she would be Carol King.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 01, 2016, 07:33:17 PM
I see a romance between the King and Carol. If they get married she would be Carol King.


 :sick: :sick: :sick: :surrender:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 01, 2016, 07:39:50 PM
The Kingdom was a great episode.  It's a shame it was just a brief respite before we get back to the darkness

Rich,

I know you were upset with the season opener. But give it a chance. They can't kill two regulars every week w/o completely changing the cast. Producers love money. They will not deliberately kill the franchise. But, every show starts to lose momentum, talent becomes too expensive, production becomes too expensive, stars leave to pursue bigger and better. The show will die. They all do. But I think there are still a few good seasons left. I'm thinking you'll end up regretting giving up on it if you walk away now.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 01, 2016, 08:54:09 PM
Morgan wheels carol in and she meets the "king". and she says something like" Im so delightfully confused and unaware...".......hahahahahahaha her character is just so great!
then they come out and she looks at Morgan and says "you gotta be shitting me"......again I just love Carol's character.
Then on talking dead they said something about on a screen that said something like" even with negan around, you don't want carol to go medevil on you" something like that. hahahahahahaha when this show wants to show humor its just so dry!
  loved this episode even tho a lot of people want action 24 hrs a day, this was great episode on just introducing new characters and giving us a breather from the opener.
 am looking forward to this weeks, find out where Maggie and everyone's heads are at.
 you know as soon as I saw the pigs eating a walker I knew right then what was up. not to often you see something in advance on this show.speaking of which , in the opener didn't negan shoot out the motorhomes windows? then rick drives off and the windows are in? the windshield anyway, I did not watch the whole show again, only the last minute or so before the new episode.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on November 09, 2016, 07:04:20 AM
I take it by the lack of posts on this week's episode that everyone enjoyed it as much as I did.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 09, 2016, 11:56:57 PM
Kinda seems this post is just fading away, Rich. No one seems to be talking about the show like we used to. That was one catchy tune, eh?  :sick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoQ4GidQP-k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoQ4GidQP-k)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on November 10, 2016, 08:53:43 AM
Myself I never watch the show live on Sunday nights, too many commercials. Then I have to find the time to sit down and watch what I've recorded. I frequently end up watching multiple episodes in one night, or over a couple nights. That just happened as I watched episodes 2 and 3 last night to cheer me up.

I agree with Weeze, I love Carol's character and I wonder what kind of alliance she's going to form with the King. In the most recent episode am I the only one that was immediately reminded of Better Call Saul during the fried egg sandwich sequence? That scene was right out of the BCS playbook.

I'm having a bit of a problem understanding why Dwight just doesn't just shoot Negan. Dwight has a gun....shoot Negan....done...he has his wife (or is it her sister?) back. It makes no sense. And Dwight looking out into that walker activity yard or whatever it's called and sighing......he's obviously not a full-on Negan fanboy. I think Dwight, the girl, and Daryl are gonna end up doing something together.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 10, 2016, 09:43:22 AM
Boy, I couldnt agree with you more Sem. why someone hasn't shot him in the face is a real flaw in the whole story line.
 I can accept some of the flaws as you go along because well hell its a tv show and its sci fi at that. But in season two, at the campsite and there is a shortage of firearms and ammunition? in GEORGIA? really , its the South, everyone is armed,
 then id like to know who turned all those rifles and carbines into fully automatic ones. there aren't that many fully auto AK 47s in the entire United States! You know you cant own a fully auto firearm that is newer then what? 1987? whatever the law is.
 anyway I agree, this doesn't make any sense, plus I hate him.  :D 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 10, 2016, 09:46:56 AM
oh yeah, I usally watch the rerun every week. I didn't for the opener for reasons already stated. mI wont be watching this weeks rerun either because of that FUCKING MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there I said it, that music sucked!!!!!! hahahahahah make him watch TRUMP commercials if you really want him to crack!  :surrender:
  alas poor Daryl, he will be back, might take a whole season or two but he WILL return to our heros!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 10, 2016, 06:49:00 PM
I'm having a bit of a problem understanding why Dwight just doesn't just shoot Negan. Dwight has a gun....shoot Negan....done...he has his wife (or is it her sister?) back. It makes no sense. And Dwight looking out into that walker activity yard or whatever it's called and sighing......he's obviously not a full-on Negan fanboy. I think Dwight, the girl, and Daryl are gonna end up doing something together.

"What's you're name?" "Neegan" "What's your's" "Neegan" There is the answer you seek! Dwight shoots Neegan and then he and his wife die. Look at history. Why didn't someone kill Stalin, Mao, or Hitler (they tried with Hitler and it didn't end well for them)? Because dictators establish fear and pit individuals against one another. Could Dwight kill Neegan? Sure. But imagine what will be done to his wife while he is forced to watched. Neegan's henchmen are well versed in terror. They know exactly how to make Dwight beg for death. Plus, I'm guessing Dwight vividly remembers the pain he endured when the hot iron was pressed onto his face. After pain like that, you'll usually do anything to avoid experiencing that again.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on November 10, 2016, 08:16:12 PM
"What's you're name?" "Neegan" "What's your's" "Neegan" There is the answer you seek! Dwight shoots Neegan and then he and his wife die. Look at history. Why didn't someone kill Stalin, Mao, or Hitler (they tried with Hitler and it didn't end well for them)? Because dictators establish fear and pit individuals against one another. Could Dwight kill Neegan? Sure. But imagine what will be done to his wife while he is forced to watched. Neegan's henchmen are well versed in terror. They know exactly how to make Dwight beg for death. Plus, I'm guessing Dwight vividly remembers the pain he endured when the hot iron was pressed onto his face. After pain like that, you'll usually do anything to avoid experiencing that again.
You're probably right Tucker, at least for now. But mark my words, I can see Dwight and Darryl teaming up against Negan down the line. Too many shots of Dwight where he was just thinking....
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on November 11, 2016, 12:47:02 AM
You're probably right Tucker, at least for now. But mark my words, I can see Dwight and Darryl teaming up against Negan down the line. Too many shots of Dwight where he was just thinking....

I wouldn't be surprised. Neegan is nasty but he's no Stalin. Stalin would have killed our entire group and turned Alexandra into a gulag and killed Jesus and his group just for knowing Rick and our group. Probably would have killed some of his top men, too, just to be sure. Neegan hasn't learned, or doesn't have the stomach, to create an atmosphere of such paranoia where child happily turns in his parents for thought crimes against Neegan. Obviously, if anything happens to Dwight's wife, all bets are off.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on November 11, 2016, 04:24:22 PM
Negan is all about feeding his Ego. He understands Human Nature very well and is a master manipulator. Dwight is angry right now because Daryl hasn't been broken like he was. Daryl said it. He has nobody to protect. Until Negan drags someone over from Alexandria.

I also see Dwight and Daryl hooking up at some point. The rest of that group is loyal to Negan based on fear. They can be subtly persuaded over time. I would imagine most fans didn't like this past episode. Daryl seems to be feeling he deserves this subhuman torture and fully blames himself for Glenn's death. This episode is setting up for something else to come. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 13, 2016, 01:46:12 AM
I just figured out how to watch past episodes of TWD on our laptop, thru Optimum (our cable provider), so now I am caught up.

Episode 2, Well, Carol is Carol and we never know what to expect from her, or maybe we do. Great change of pace from the opener and we all needed it. as Weeze says, we simply cannot have action 24/7. I\For me, it is always a pleasure to watch Carol and Morgan dealing with whatever comes their way. So now Carol is setting up housekeeping all by herself, and, for sure, that won't last very long. As they said on The Talking Dead, how will Carol react when she learns the fae of two of her former group. Gas she really reformed or will the old carol be brought out? I enjoyed this episode with the new characters and the Kingdom. I can see this group teaming up with Alexandria to battle Negan and the saviors

.Episode 3--
A very dark and dreary show. I believe this show was just to give us some needed background on the
saviors, and Dwight in particular. After all is said and done, I also can see Dwight, helping Daryl, at some point. I definitely don't  see them as taking down Negan, as I still think it will be a combo of the Kingdom and Alexandria in doing that, but that will be a while in the making. Overall, this was a very slow show, trying to set the tone for the future. We learned how sherry came to be with Negan, and that Daryl will never give in, no matter how much brutality he must face. He had the chance to just say he was Negan, but Daryl will always be Daryl, so back in the cell.
I do agree that a dictator, any dictator, rules by fear. Plus, seems most of the Saviors really don't have an IQ above 70, so it sure makes it easier. When the guy Dwight was sent out to bring back, says to him, why don't they just take Negan out, he has no answer, but I believe a seed was planted.
Again, I found this show very slow, but probably needed to set up the rest of this season. As we saw in the coming attractions, Negan pays a visit to Alexandria, using darly as their hostage to get Rick to do what is needed.

For myself, I am enjoying the show more than ever, as it` has clearly gone away from the Walkers and into much more compelling human problems. Yes it is darker, but, for me, much more compelling.



Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 13, 2016, 08:47:50 PM
"cuz were on easy street
where SEM and TUCKER meet
and the LENN gets beat
yeah its fun right here on easy street

well you can take the heat
when VETTE kicks a geek
and WEEZE can stand on his feet
 man it is so neat right here on easy street!"
 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 14, 2016, 10:36:02 AM
Got to watch last nite's show LIVE, commercials and all. Very interesting show. I kind of knew it was going to play out like this. My thoughts watching, was when does one reach their breaking point?. When Negan killed Glenn and Abraham, the group had no choice but to submit. But, here in Alexandria, with the weapons they have, I really thought that when Rick and company got back they would have had some sort of contingency plan, because they knew Negan was a coming eventually. It seems as if they did absolutely nothing. Yes, Negan holds all the aces right now, but these people were fighters and to weakly submit, when they had a chance to do damage, I don't know, I find that pretty unbelievable.

Now they show Rick clenching Lucille, ready to strike, yet he cowers and submits to the Saviors. You can see that eventually, he will reach a braking point and be forced into action, yet, I have to wonder if he had clobbered Negan with ha bat, would there have been all out war, or would most of the
saviors just realize that they are free from the power of Negan and just leave?

Maybe this is a bad reference, buy I liken our group now to the Jews in Europe at the time of Hitler. There they thought it better to go along instead of fighting back, and you know what happened to them but submitting. They had to firepower, but not the manpower. In war, sometimes there are casualties, but to just weakly submit, when you had the chance t1o fight back, afraid to lose one person, well that is really not what we saw from Rick for 6 previous seasons. Right now, Daryl is the only one with any balls, as Rick has lost his. ..and no good will ever come of blindly submitting. Now they have no choice
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 14, 2016, 11:01:39 AM
well LENN, all I can say is:
 "When I walk my dawg on Easy Street
the place she likes to eat
she says the hydrants cant be beat
she loves to pee on Easy Street"
 I shouldn't have watched the rerun obviously, but I do have a question and that is
When is it allright to walk around with a dead deer that you haven't "dressed"? as in gutted you know so it doesn't spoil from the inside?
 sure isn't the way I used to hunt a LOOOOOOOONG time ago when I was a young man.
all I can say is "ERROR".
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 21, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
I assume no one watched last weeks episode except me and the Weezer, so let's now move on to yesterdays show.

My take, this was more of a show to give us more info on several other cast members and give the rest of the cast the week off. We saw a lot of Jesus and Gregory. In reality, Jesus should be a leader, but he doesn't want any part of it. We also re-establish that Maggie is one tough chick and she will dominate one day.

We also see that Negan's life may not be as safe as we think as several really want to try and take him out  (fat chance of this happening, at least not just yet)

And Carl gets his first kiss--WOW.


Overall, not a very exciting show, but we learned a lot and we still need a breather.

And what's with next weeks coming attractions, by the shore somewhere???????
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 23, 2016, 12:07:52 PM
Had a great discussion last night about some of the previous episodes and maybe some subtle symbolism in the shows that we haven't picked up on. Several people felt that maybe Rick and Daryl were trying to communicate to each other, Rick tapping the bat he was holding and Daryl blinking his eyes. I don't see anything in this, but there are some who do.
Another thought, Mishone missing badly, while trying to shoot that walker, even with a scope, and then Carl missing badly while throwing darts at the dartboard. Again, I never connected the two, but it does give one time to pause a bit and think about it.

It was also brought up, that say, some one did take out Negan, be it Rick, Carl, Sasha--what do you think would happen to the saviors? Would it b e business as normal with some one else just stepping up, or would it be like the Wizard of Oz, when the Wicked Witch does and the rest are sort of 'set free'? Myself, depending on where it might happen, like if they were in Alexandria and Rick decided to take him out, I feel the Saviors would retaliate on the Alexandrians, but if it happened, say at their base camp, or on the road, Saviors like Dwight might be extactic as might many of the others to not have to live under Negan's rule anymore.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on November 23, 2016, 05:48:41 PM
I think Daryl is lying low looking for any intel he can come up with on that place and also to get to the disgruntled by not elevating himself. Good take on the signals between Rick and Daryl.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 28, 2016, 04:53:08 PM
So we have finally seen what has happened to Tara and Heath (Gosh, I thought they were killed off some time ago), but no, a 75 minute episode about Tara and a new community, Oceanside. Maybe this was another slow episode, but I found it interesting enough. Tara, for sure, is not one of our main characters, and to do an entire show about her seems illogical, but they did pull it off.

I know Tara gave her word that she will not tell Alexandria about Oceanside and the people and weapons there, but I believe some time down the road, that's exactly what will happen. Those weapons and maybe those women will be a part of Negan's undoing. How long we have to wait for it is anyone's guess and I just do not see Negan going anywhere anytime soon.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on November 29, 2016, 12:55:58 PM
I liked the last episide, interesting.  It is 100% different from the comics too so it leaves me happy and guessing. Tara did a good job introducing a new world

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 29, 2016, 01:47:45 PM
To me, this episode was nothing more then establishing another colony of survivors. This one happens to know about the Saviours and is hiding from them. Another one to join the coalition to go to "Total" war against Neegan. When ? who knows? this year? prolly not. next year? maybe. They can run this as long as thy wish.
 To me, its disapointing as I think we all know that the War is coming, its just when. 'I'm not sure this show has been as good as it was before Neegan and the incredible, "ON the side of the metro bus" advertising campaign they di all summer.
 Hopefully it will get better. I know Im more interested in seeing Maggie coming into her own, loved the Tractor scean!
my spell check doesn't work and I have a cold, went to upstate NY for thanksgiving and got a cold. man, the weather sucks up there. In lake George thought Id die it was so cold. wet and just grey. never saw the sun for 5 full days! now I asm reminded why I moved to California 30 or so years ago.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 29, 2016, 05:50:51 PM
I agree Weeze (about the war, not the cold and grey part), that war is coming, but we don't know when and how many more seasons we have to wait for it.

And is Heath gone, or are they going to do an entire show about how he escaped?  :doh: :doh: :doh:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on November 29, 2016, 05:57:30 PM
This was the 6th episode in our 8 episode arc and except for show #1 and the other show featuring Negan coming to Alexandria, it has been a remarkably dull season. We have learned a lot of new info, found new places like The Kingdom and now Oceanside, but things have drastically slowed, almost to a crawl. Places like The Kingdom hold many new things that could be exciting, yet we have seen them once so far. Just too many shows about things that are OK, but this show was always about excitement, and it has been few and far between this season. Not that I will stop watching, but since the Walkers have taken a very back seat in this series about them (The Walking Dead), and humans have taken over as main criminals, the show has lost some valuable momentum. Ratings are down and I can understand why. We need to develop characters, but on TWD, characters don't last long enough to be developed and this season has lacked some of the things that made this show so great.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on November 30, 2016, 08:26:33 PM
agreed. TOO many characters. I think they call these "bottle" episodes, altho I do not understand what bottles have to do with it. "bottle" episodes are not really "filler" as they add something, like another community, but they concentrate on just one or two or three characters. so they can make a entire episode, give some info, but the show itself hasn't moved on.
 all part of the "pacing" of the show in relation to the graphic novel, after all don't want to burn up too much material.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on December 05, 2016, 05:54:50 PM
With one show left, it IS getting real interesting about now. Karl, Judith and Negan, now is that the family of the future??

Karl had his chance, as well as several others this season, so why is Negan still alive?.

Maybe Sasha will have better luck. Or even Mishone. So many people seem to have killing him as a priority, yet he still rules with an iron hand.

OH and my mistake of the week. Dwight, when talking with his ex wife. She asks him if he has been sleeping or something like that, and he replies that he stays up all night watching TV.   :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

I hope he is watching reruns of I Love Lucy, or maybe Fear The Walking Dead. Did he watch it on Netflix or I hope his cable bill has been paid. Soon, we'll see some one on the internet, buying supplies from Amazon.  SECOND   :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

So what will the finale bring to us??
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on December 06, 2016, 11:30:21 AM
well actually He WAS watching tv. it was rerun of something which Ive forgotten.
 prolly a dvd, it showed that, You mustve been taking a leak at the time.
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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on December 07, 2016, 03:32:59 PM
I want Negan to be Daryl's Bitch and walk him around Alexandria on all fours in a choker collar. They're probably going to milk this into next season especially after the Father-Son episode with Negan and Carl.

It will have to wait till Monday night though as the Giants come first.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Giant Obsession on December 08, 2016, 11:45:37 PM
I guess we will finally learn why his bat's name is "Lucille".   My guess...his dead wife.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on December 09, 2016, 12:28:10 AM
I hate to be a downer, but there's just far too many plot holes, absurdities, and plain old sloppy writing. I'm still watching it, but it could be and should be so much better. I miss the days of the Governor. He was much more complex than the one dimensional Negan. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on December 09, 2016, 06:24:51 AM
totally agree Sem!
 Plus Im already tired of Negan and he may be with us for years, literally.
Wonder what bone they'll throw for the mid season finale?
 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on December 09, 2016, 07:18:21 AM
What frustrates me about the Negan storyline is that he rules through fear and intimidation.   Rick had a chance to kill him, Carl has had chances to kill him.  All it takes is one person to kill Negan and it's all over.   There are no loyal worshippers who will carry on in his name. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on December 09, 2016, 08:16:04 AM
What frustrates me about the Negan storyline is that he rules through fear and intimidation.   Rick had a chance to kill him, Carl has had chances to kill him.  All it takes is one person to kill Negan and it's all over.   There are no loyal worshippers who will carry on in his name.

History shows otherwise.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on December 09, 2016, 08:17:47 AM
I guess we will finally learn why his bat's name is "Lucille".   My guess...his dead wife.

I always thought it was a reference to BB King's Guitar.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on December 09, 2016, 08:30:31 AM
I always thought it was a reference to BB King's Guitar.
That was my thought, but I suppose it could have a double meaning.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on December 13, 2016, 12:22:24 PM
Im,  so sick of Negan, just kill the XXXXX , OK? you know maybe, just maybe this is hurting the viewership numbers.
 I hope this "total war" scenario doesn't go on for 2 or three seasons. it seems like they are rushing into it quickly but not being a comic reader and not wanting to know anything aboiut whats in the comics, REMEMBER, GENTLEMANS AGREEMENT NOT TO DIVULGE STORYLINES FROM THE COMICS, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS HALF SEASON KINDA SUCKED IN MY OPINION.....OOPS SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS!!!!!
 Oh and when you rack balls for 8 ball, the balls are places in the rack high then low, then high then low around the perimeter.
 basic rule to 8 ball.
 anyway, hope all is well and everyone has recovered from the DALLAS game. it aint easy being a Giants fan!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on December 13, 2016, 01:49:30 PM
I think there will be a few episodes of strategy, collaboration and intel. The Negan-Carl relationship is going to be interesting. (Always against the grain)

I knew Negan was playing Spencer, so when the "You have no guts" came out it was not exactly what I was expecting but I knew he was setting him up.

Viewers dropped by 7 Million for the last episode from the season opener. I think people are depressed and put themselves in the place of the heros/heroines. Could be the Dallas-Giants game too. Let's see how it's adjusted by On Demand views.

I didn't realize Michone wasted the red head until later in the Talking Dead as she was one of those they lost. Then I thought about the silencer comment and it made sense.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on December 13, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
They r gonna get the gang together. Carol doesn't even know yet. It will good to see the gang go to war against the evil empire!

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on December 24, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
Nice to see so many watched. I was afraid, after no one really commented, that people just gave up.

Any, being away, I just got to watch the mid season finale and I felt it was one of their better episode in the past several years. There was something for everyone, and all the main characters were shown as to what they were up to.

Unlike several here, I LIKE the Negan character. Let me clarify that I HATE the character being portrayed, but isn't that the point, having an evil villain to hate. I liken it to the old wrestling shows, people love to hate the 'bad guys' and the worse they act and the more evil things they do,  people clamor to hate them more It has been this way forever. The badder the character, the more we hate them and pray for their comeuppance. . Sorry, but this show is about a very evil apocalypse that has basically destroyed mankind. It would be very naive to think that people like Negan wouldn't emerge some where. As we have said many times, the show has evolved from fearing the Walkers, to human and human reactions. Negan is just pure evil, with a smile on his face. He WILL meet his demise and like the old wrestling shows, or old westerns, or anything with evil bad guys, we will feel so much better when he does meet his maker.

Unlike the finale from last season, we now have hope. There is a ray of sunshine now and we look forward to the second half of the season with anticipation instead of dread. As we saw from the promo's in the Talking Dead, our hero's are going to meet with 'The Kingdom' and join forces. PLUS Carol and Morgan will also be reunited with the old group, so positive things are on the horizon-------------Hopefully.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on December 24, 2016, 08:02:58 PM
Nice to see so many watched. I was afraid, after no one really commented, that people just gave up.

Any, being away, I just got to watch the mid season finale and I felt it was one of their better episode in the past several years. There was something for everyone, and all the main characters were shown as to what they were up to.

Unlike several here, I LIKE the Negan character. Let me clarify that I HATE the character being portrayed, but isn't that the point, having an evil villain to hate. I liken it to the old wrestling shows, people love to hate the 'bad guys' and the worse they act and the more evil things they do,  people clamor to hate them more It has been this way forever. The badder the character, the more we hate them and pray for their comeuppance. . Sorry, but this show is about a very evil apocalypse that has basically destroyed mankind. It would be very naive to think that people like Negan wouldn't emerge some where. As we have said many times, the show has evolved from fearing the Walkers, to human and human reactions. Negan is just pure evil, with a smile on his face. He WILL meet his demise and like the old wrestling shows, or old westerns, or anything with evil bad guys, we will feel so much better when he does meet his maker.

Unlike the finale from last season, we now have hope. There is a ray of sunshine now and we look forward to the second half of the season with anticipation instead of dread. As we saw from the promo's in the Talking Dead, our hero's are going to meet with 'The Kingdom' and join forces. PLUS Carol and Morgan will also be reunited with the old group, so positive things are on the horizon-------------Hopefully.

An episode about the past of Negan would be interesting. Could he be a serial killer? A Prison guard? A politician? A Drill Instructor or an Officer? Or an underachiever? What about his family? Jeffrey Dean Morgan nails the role and really makes him what he is.


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on December 24, 2016, 09:21:32 PM
Would love to see that.

This show rarely does things like that, but they should. They did it with Morgan so why not Negan.

Oh, and we forgot about the Oceansiders. I'll bet they get into the action why it comes time to battle the Saviors. After all, they have the weapons.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on December 27, 2016, 12:24:11 PM
If it all goes to s**t, we would all be Negan or we would be dead. How different is Rick? Murder for hire isn't moral, period. Sure, he, and we, can claim it was only to survive. Any Negan you met throughout history would tell you the same. We are all capable of doing horrific things. We just need our family and/or group to be hungry, cold, and scared. There isn't one of us who wouldn't kill to save their child, if we were certain there was no other way. You can lie to yourself if you want but survival is a cold taskmaster. All it needs is the threat of death tied with the opportunity that killing another eliminates that threat. Ask any vet that saw combat. Kill or be killed. We, as a species, have been killing one another since day one and its still going on. Hate Negan all you want. He is pretty mild compared to many who are alive and killing/ordering the killing today.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on December 27, 2016, 06:34:17 PM
I think Negan was a School teacher. theres rumors of a flashback episode that shows his past coming up perhaps this second half.
 still think that by the storyline someone would've killed him the first time he showed up at ALex> but hey Ill roll with the story line. After all this guy may be in for a few seasons.
 hey Happy New Year yall. for 2017 you should all plan on going to the Giants at Tampa game!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on December 29, 2016, 01:12:46 PM
If it all goes to s**t, we would all be Negan or we would be dead. How different is Rick? Murder for hire isn't moral, period. Sure, he, and we, can claim it was only to survive. Any Negan you met throughout history would tell you the same. We are all capable of doing horrific things. We just need our family and/or group to be hungry, cold, and scared. There isn't one of us who wouldn't kill to save their child, if we were certain there was no other way. You can lie to yourself if you want but survival is a cold taskmaster. All it needs is the threat of death tied with the opportunity that killing another eliminates that threat. Ask any vet that saw combat. Kill or be killed. We, as a species, have been killing one another since day one and its still going on. Hate Negan all you want. He is pretty mild compared to many who are alive and killing/ordering the killing today.

I can't argue with a thing you said, all God's honest truth. BUT, Negan kills for enjoyment, not to save his anything. Negan, like MANY thru out history, needs to feel the power over others and will kill at a whim to get that power and/or retain it. Anyone who he even thinks may be a threat to his power, is a goner. PLUS, he also kills to make a point for anyone. I just feel that is a lot different than killing to save their family. For Negan it is sport and he relishes in it. Rick, at least in my opinion, hasn't slunk down to that level yet.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on December 31, 2016, 12:50:44 AM
I can't argue with a thing you said, all God's honest truth. BUT, Negan kills for enjoyment, not to save his anything. Negan, like MANY thru out history, needs to feel the power over others and will kill at a whim to get that power and/or retain it. Anyone who he even thinks may be a threat to his power, is a goner. PLUS, he also kills to make a point for anyone. I just feel that is a lot different than killing to save their family. For Negan it is sport and he relishes in it. Rick, at least in my opinion, hasn't slunk down to that level yet.

Having been a cameraman for a number of jailhouse interviews, many different cons, in different jails, have said the first murder is the hard one. After that, it gets easier and easier and the "reasons" you use to justify it get smaller and smaller. Some said, after the first one, they realized they liked it. It's a consistent theme. And, imo, a very, very slippery slope.

I'm sure Rick felt that his murder for hire plot was a necessary evil. But given that we have seen the people from the Kingdom round up feral hogs in the city, you really do need to question whether Rick, and all the others, really looked for food everywhere they could prior to taking on a hit job. Certainty, no Alexandria residents were getting ill from malnutrition when the decision was made.

Negan is well suited for his environment. Maybe Negan truly believes he is keeping people safe from the walkers and deserves payment for that service. Just like Rick probably believes his murder for hire plot was justified. Each man has a very different perspective on the situation. Those who benefit from Negan's system probably think Negan's critical to their survival much like many of our group think Rick is critical to their's. In a dystopian world, I think the sense of "morality" is very much tied to who it is that puts food on your plate and prevents you from getting eaten alive in the night.

Under horrific conditions, people do horrific things to survive. If they don't, they die. None of us can imagine what living in a world where the dead walk, try to eat you alive, outnumber the living dramatically, and society has completely collapsed would do to us. But based on real, modern horrors, like the Holocaust, the Killing Fields in Cambodia, Rwanda, etc. etc., you do whatever you can to survive. Because if you don't, or you no longer physically can, you never see another day.

We have seen the impact of Negan's actions on the survivors. But we rarely see the impact of Rick's, beyond the group, which, honestly, have trusted Rick's judgement for far too long seeing how often it ends in misery. Maybe if we saw one of the widows of Rick's murder for hire plan was pregnant and deeply in love, just like Maggie and Glen, we would feel a little bit different about Rick. And we have seen quite a few deaths in the group, over all the seasons, that were a result of Rick's actions and decisions.

Maggie believes Negan to be a monster. Who do you think one of the widows of Rick's hit job believes is the real monster? Perspective, Lenn, perspective. It changes so much of what we believe to be "true". Good thing it's just a TV show.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on December 31, 2016, 11:36:15 AM
Once again, many of the things you say are well said and the truth. We all just cannot know what we would do in those circumstances, as much as we might think we do, we really don't.

Since you mentioned the Holocaust, I just wanted to chime in on that. Over the years, I have met many survivors and have done extensive research into the Holocaust. Biggest main theme, AFTER, was why the Jews didn't fight, why they didn't rebel? And it IS a good question.  No one really knows for a fact why, but the ones that did survive always said that they believed they WERE doing what they felt was best to survive. Fighting back meant instant death, submitting meant, at least, a bit more life, so they chose the later. As we sit here afterwards, we know that wasn't the right way, so maybe Rick has also figured that out.

In you comparisons Rick to Negan, I still see a dramatic difference in their personalities and why they kill. Yes Rick killed just for the sake of killing, but he felt he was accomplishing something, for his group. Negan, on the other hand, just likes killing. Can you say that of Rick? It may be easier and will be done more and more, but I just do not see Rick as enjoying it, killing with a smile on his face, as we see from Negan. Negan gets a rush from killing, Rick doesn't. Rick still has some human elements left in him, Negan has none, he is an animal who kills, not for food, but for the joy of just killing some one. Not even by himself, as when he ordered his girl henchman to just 'kill' some one' Why????????/ To make those fear him more?, to assert more power?? Or just for the joy of seeing some one else die?? Rick, and the rest of Alexandrians (and probably the Hilltopers, Oceansiders and others out there, just haven't gotten to that level yet.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on December 31, 2016, 04:03:09 PM
Great insight guys! Terrific!


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on December 31, 2016, 06:14:46 PM
Tucker, that's great stuff about your camera experience. Thanks for sharing!

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on December 31, 2016, 06:19:07 PM
Some of my favorite books, potray evil that seems unimaginable. Yet, history shows it happened. The Nazis are the most prevalent ex. Yet there are the Mongols, Romans, Persians, it really is endless. We have a violent history with fascinating and horrible stories.

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on December 31, 2016, 07:31:11 PM

Since you mentioned the Holocaust, I just wanted to chime in on that. Over the years, I have met many survivors and have done extensive research into the Holocaust. Biggest main theme, AFTER, was why the Jews didn't fight, why they didn't rebel? And it IS a good question.  No one really knows for a fact why, but the ones that did survive always said that they believed they WERE doing what they felt was best to survive. Fighting back meant instant death, submitting meant, at least, a bit more life, so they chose the later. As we sit here afterwards, we know that wasn't the right way, so maybe Rick has also figured that out.


Lenn,

It a was privilege, and an honor, to play a very, very tiny role in the Shoah Foundation's quest to get survivor's stories on tape to be preserved for future generations. The call went out for camera ops willing to volunteer some of their time to get these stories recorded before the last of the survivors die. I recorded interviews of four different survivors. At that time, I had done live TV so many times, being live didn't even phase me anymore. I knew I could do my part flawlessly because I had done so many times before. But this...this was different. All four survivors were telling their stories for the first time. If I made a mistake, I screwed up the historical record. I was forcing people who went through unspeakable horror to recall it yet again. This first house was a husband and wife who had both been survivors and met in a refugee camp after the war. Every kid was there. Every grandchild. Close friends. The rabbi!!! They had never told their story before and everyone wanted to be there for it. I excused myself and went outside and almost threw up. I had never felt such pressure to get every shot right, the lightning perfect, the focus crystal clear. Their stories, and thousands others, are now preserved on digital format for anyone to reference. It was the most emotionally draining day of my life and it was absolutely remarkable.

The depth of suffering, the life and death decisions, it was so overwhelming. When the woman spoke of how her older sister pushed her out of one line, and took her place, and the women's realization, much too late, that her sister took her place in the line led to the ovens, there was not a dry eye in the house. If you have the stomach to look real horror in the face - and I do not mean that to be insulting. I mean that as a warning that there is a level of brutality that can be described by these victims that makes you want to shut down. View these interviews and know horror. And, most upsetting of all, know what we are all capable of becoming when we chose to hate the "other".

Finally, Lenn, correct me if I am wrong but I believe many groups of Jews did form an active resistance in various ghettos of Poland and Russia. They were just so badly outnumbered and out gunned, they never had a chance. The Warsaw uprising is the most well known because it was the most "successful" in the sense that it took the Germans almost a month to put it down. The Jews fought, but because they were not one unified well armed force, it was almost always a suicidal act of final defiance. Had we been willing/able to arm the Jews and supply them, like we did the Soviets, I think they would have been able to do a hell of lot more damage. But when it's a few Jews with hunting rifles against Panzers, what chance did they have? I also believe there were a few revolts inside the camps. Unfortunately, even with arms, how much resistance can people who have beaten and starved offer? And for how long? The Jews fought. Anyone who says otherwise is mistaken. The issue was how unfair and one sided the fight was.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on December 31, 2016, 07:46:26 PM
Tucker, can we access these interviews?  Phenomenal stuff.

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on December 31, 2016, 09:10:02 PM
Tucker, can we access these interviews?  Phenomenal stuff.

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You should be able to. We are having storms here and my wifi is acting a little buggy. I cannot access the site now. I don't know if that's my wifi or their website. If you follow this link, that's the main site. They should have a section labeled testimonies. Sorry I can't give you a direct link at the moment. If my ISP issues get resolved, I'll update the link.

https://sfi.usc.edu/
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on December 31, 2016, 09:24:49 PM
Not ideal, but in lieu of being able to access the website, here are YouTube clips from a few testimonies. These are just clips, not the full interviews. And it is a very small representation of all the testimonies that were recorded.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEB019EC0423846C0 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEB019EC0423846C0)

Here's Spielberg and others explaining the project

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQpYuMVkEU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQpYuMVkEU)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on December 31, 2016, 10:38:54 PM
Thank you!  I'll check em out first thing next year!

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on January 01, 2017, 11:57:34 AM
I really hate to hijack this thread into a Holocaust thread, so let's just end it on this. My career in life was a carpet cleaning business that I owned and ran. I did a lot of work in the Orthodox Communittee in Boro Park, Brooklyn. In my travels, I met several people who also participated in recordings for Spielberg's The Shoah. One women, in particular, who was just an upbeat lady about 90 years old told me so many amazing stories, even how Spielberg himself came to her house to record her story. She just had a upbeat personality and always had a sort of upbeat approach to her stories. I used to set aside an extra 2 hours every time I went to clean her carpets, just to chat and listen to her,  and never charged her anything. She was an absolute joy to talk to. If we want to move this in another direction, I'll try and relate some stories. Things like this are history lessons that you will never get in school.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on January 01, 2017, 01:13:46 PM
I would appreciate hearing more, Lenn. But as you said, do not want to completely hijack the thread. I have to accept the responsibility for already sending this off topic. My apologies to all. Sounds like an important new thread, Lenn, if you feel up to taking it on.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on January 01, 2017, 02:53:22 PM
It's worth it's own thread. Wether on front porch, or main page after the play offs. Thanks guys!

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on January 18, 2017, 04:14:43 PM
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The Walking Dead’ Producers Toned Down Violence After Season Premiere Backlash
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/%e2%80%98the-walking-dead%e2%80%99-producers-toned-down-violence-after-season-premiere-backlash/ar-AAlZrBJ?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout (http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/%e2%80%98the-walking-dead%e2%80%99-producers-toned-down-violence-after-season-premiere-backlash/ar-AAlZrBJ?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout)


I guess the public doesn't really want just plain violence for the sake of TV.    =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


GOOD
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on January 19, 2017, 03:17:39 AM


http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/%e2%80%98the-walking-dead%e2%80%99-producers-toned-down-violence-after-season-premiere-backlash/ar-AAlZrBJ?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout (http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/%e2%80%98the-walking-dead%e2%80%99-producers-toned-down-violence-after-season-premiere-backlash/ar-AAlZrBJ?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout)


I guess the public doesn't really want just plain violence for the sake of TV.    =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


GOOD

I felt it was part of the story line. They needed to establish just how ruthless this new enemy was. It's clear many people didn't care for it. Certainly, I would not allow my kids to watch it. It's not the kind of thing I watch daily and I hope no one else does either. But, I did not feel it was violence for the sake of TV. I felt it was violence to explain an ongoing plot line in an adult show about a fictional dystopian society. Would it be believable to see Rick so cowed before Neegan if not for the violence? In a world where small groups of humanity routinely assault one another for supplies and shelter, would it be believable that three separate small societies would ban together to try to oust the tyrant w/o the violence? Why not have the tyrant in your debt and tell him what's coming? Neegan would certainly reward such loyalty. The group that snitched may not need to make payments for months! You may not have cared for the violence and that's totally understandable. I would worry about you if you said you thoroughly enjoyed it. But I do believe it served a purpose to the story and was presented as such.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on January 19, 2017, 03:44:12 PM
Im against censoring anyone. TWD , in my opinion, went too far . I like the description of what was it? "Violence porn"? The whole deal of cutting off your sons arm or hes gonna have everyone shot in the head? Really? Isnt real life violent enuff over there in the middle east? do we need this type of torturous activity? I say no but that's just me and I seem to be in the minority. I think age may have a big thing to do with it. younger people don't seem to be as fazed by it as much as we old farts are. Is it because we are still the first generation of the people that shut down the camps? maybe.
 It is what it is.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on January 19, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
Maybe it is generational.

I've told this story several times thru the years, as to violence between today's movies and yester-years. For more years than I can count, in our home, Friday nite was always movie night. Either as a family and later on just my DW and I, . When my kids were becoming teens but just not there yet, movie time wise, we were in the middle of all those slasher movies, Friday the 13th, Freddie, Halloweens etc. There was a surge in them, probably just for the violence that they brought into your home that could not be seen on regular TV. Myself, since I am a huge, huge fan of 'older' movie, violence was intended but never really seen. Anyway, we were watching Lawrence of Arabia (I subject my kids to all types of movies). In this movie, at a point, Lawrence has been betrayed and the betrayer has to be killed. Lawrence says he will do it and he takes the offender off screen and you hear a shot. I immediately asked my kids what happened and they replied that Lawrence killed the guy. I asked, "Are you sure, you didn't see him get killed?". If course they answered that they were sure, even if they didn't actually see it.
AND, my replay was, 'So why do they have to have blood coming out of every part of a human body, to make the same point. They sat for a moment and agreed. Violence for them was just a shock thing, but the meaning was still the same. They still watched their slasher movies, but with a different mindset and to this day, they all never really like those movies--Violence just for the sake of violence.

After the opening episode this season, I commented that, yes it was shocking but I didn't think it was THAT honorific, and they could have made it a lot worse. I still believe that, but they also could have made the same points with a flash and then a look a way shot and  show the victim on the ground, dead. But this is TWD we are talking about where then NEVER shied away from gruesome violence. Gosh they showed the beheading of Hershel for God's sake, and Bob's face being torn off his head, so why should this years opener be lesser violent. We are addicted to this show exactly the way it is, maybe for the utter violence without thoughts of mercy or leniency, so why get upset now.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on January 20, 2017, 01:42:37 AM
Lenn & weeze - You fine gentlemen are forgetting your classical literature! Do you not recognize our modern day Odysseus, the one they call "Rick"? Rick offended the "gods" with his "murder for hire" slaughter of men in their sleep. Then, he committed that all too human crime - hubris!!! Rick told a group of Neegan's men, when they were taking Maggie to get medical care, something along the lines of "act like it's your last day on earth". Neegan's man laughed and told Rick to remember that. He knew the gods always enacted their revenge.

Odysseus had condemned all his men to death by telling the cyclops, that Odysseus had blinded (by driving a wooden stake thru his eye!), his name. The cyclops called upon his father, Poseidon, to seek revenge against Odysseus and the fate of Odysseus and his men were sealed! The first of his men died as the cyclops threw half a mountain towards their fleeing ships. Odysseus would be condemned to be lost at sea for ten years as each of his men died. The Odyssey was a bloodbath if you think about. All of Odysseus' crew killed (remember Odysseus had MULTIPLE ships!) and then when Odysseus finally reaches home, he slaughters all of his wife's suitors (Odysseus had been gone for 20 years and was presumed dead). It's hard to keep track of the body count in the Odyssey. And most deaths were grizzly.

Our modern day Odyssey needs to be brutal, too. How else does the common man see the ravages of hubris? The foolishness in offending the gods? These are epic myths. They define cultures and values. They speak to who we are. Of course, Abraham and Glenn had to die! How else would our modern Odysseus, Rick, learn to kneel before the gods? To understand the price of such flippant arrogance? The hero in the epic myth must go through unimaginable suffering to cleanse his soul so he comes out of it a better man. Since story telling began, our heroes had to be tested by ordeal. They had to understand real loss. They had to pay for their sins. Rick, our modern Odysseus, had to face the wrath of Neegan, our modern Poseidon, for assault on the cyclops. He had to be humbled to learn the true cost of hubris. The question that remains is who will be Rick's Athena and plea for Rick's survival before Zeus?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on January 20, 2017, 08:28:46 AM
well TUCK, you are entitled to your opinion but with your analogy this would make Negan the ultimate mythological God of Gods.
 to me hes weak and vulnerable. His fraking bat stopped 9mm or he might be dead already.
  But its a good thought whether I agree or not.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on January 20, 2017, 09:10:01 AM
Weeze - you are forgetting how "human" the Greek gods were! You're thinking capital "G" God and they were lower case "g" gods all the way! Remember, Odysseus' great grandfather was Hermes himself! The gods of Mount Olympus were a lusty, petty, vindictive lot!  They were often more flawed than the human beings they took great pleasure in tormenting - when they weren't seducing or even raping them. As Neegan has his Lucille, Poseidon had his trident (long before that was a brand name 😉).
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on January 20, 2017, 11:11:15 AM
Lenn & weeze - You fine gentlemen are forgetting your classical literature! Do you not recognize our modern day Odysseus, the one they call "Rick"? Rick offended the "gods" with his "murder for hire" slaughter of men in their sleep. Then, he committed that all too human crime - hubris!!! Rick told a group of Neegan's men, when they were taking Maggie to get medical care, something along the lines of "act like it's your last day on earth". Neegan's man laughed and told Rick to remember that. He knew the gods always enacted their revenge.

Odysseus had condemned all his men to death by telling the cyclops, that Odysseus had blinded (by driving a wooden stake thru his eye!), his name. The cyclops called upon his father, Poseidon, to seek revenge against Odysseus and the fate of Odysseus and his men were sealed! The first of his men died as the cyclops threw half a mountain towards their fleeing ships. Odysseus would be condemned to be lost at sea for ten years as each of his men died. The Odyssey was a bloodbath if you think about. All of Odysseus' crew killed (remember Odysseus had MULTIPLE ships!) and then when Odysseus finally reaches home, he slaughters all of his wife's suitors (Odysseus had been gone for 20 years and was presumed dead). It's hard to keep track of the body count in the Odyssey. And most deaths were grizzly.

Our modern day Odyssey needs to be brutal, too. How else does the common man see the ravages of hubris? The foolishness in offending the gods? These are epic myths. They define cultures and values. They speak to who we are. Of course, Abraham and Glenn had to die! How else would our modern Odysseus, Rick, learn to kneel before the gods? To understand the price of such flippant arrogance? The hero in the epic myth must go through unimaginable suffering to cleanse his soul so he comes out of it a better man. Since story telling began, our heroes had to be tested by ordeal. They had to understand real loss. They had to pay for their sins. Rick, our modern Odysseus, had to face the wrath of Neegan, our modern Poseidon, for assault on the cyclops. He had to be humbled to learn the true cost of hubris. The question that remains is who will be Rick's Athena and plea for Rick's survival before Zeus?

Points all well presented and understood. BUT, I don't think what was originally said was that people had to die, like Glenn and Abraham, it was just the showing of all that violence in the manner they were killed that was disturbing. That is why I wrote what I did in my last post, or maybe I was misreading what others wrote?

We know Rick, and many others, are involved in this 'kill or die' world they live in. Maybe one day, people like Morgan and his way, will be the right way, but for now, he is alone in his thinking. Killing and the violent way it is shown is part of TWD and it is probably what made it such a huge hit, but in the world of TV and the 'what have you done for me lately' mentality, the writers and producers have to keep trying to top last years, last weeks, shows so the violence will always continue. To what degree has to be shown, I believe, THAT is the question right now. Could TWD survive by eliminating a lot of it's more violent scenes? Maybe, but I really believe that the show is an adult show, geared towards adults and while the violence may be subdued because of this 'outcry', it will never leave this show,a s that is the world where they now live.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on January 20, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
Lenn - Whatever it says about us as a nation, we have always been much more comfortable with the portrayal of violence than with sex. Having studied in London, I was shocked that The Sun featured a very large picture of a topless woman everyday on page 3. No one thought anything about. Germans love to be nude around water. The Danes, too. European views on nudity and sex are close to indifferent. I wonder how the vast influx of Muslim refugees will react to it. Here, violence has always been a dominant theme in our entertainment. Why, and what are its effects, are certainly debatable. But, whether we like it, or not, it is our cultural norm.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on January 20, 2017, 02:35:57 PM
Lenn - Whatever it says about us as a nation, we have always been much more comfortable with the portrayal of violence than with sex. Having studied in London, I was shocked that The Sun featured a very large picture of a topless woman everyday on page 3. No one thought anything about. Germans love to be nude around water. The Danes, too. European views on nudity and sex are close to indifferent. I wonder how the vast influx of Muslim refugees will react to it. Here, violence has always been a dominant theme in our entertainment. Why, and what are its effects, are certainly debatable. But, whether we like it, or not, it is our cultural norm.

agree   =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on January 20, 2017, 06:11:41 PM
The comments about comfort of a society with sex led me to see how it related to Rape cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on January 20, 2017, 06:55:16 PM
from what I know about it, the "home" countrys of Germany and for sure Ireland are really not accepting of the refugees. not at all. as a matter of facr there is frequent violent acts involved. with the different religions involved its a volatile situation. England also. For whatever its worth.
 Major problems , that suck.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on January 20, 2017, 08:43:51 PM
The comments about comfort of a society with sex led me to see how it related to Rape cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Rape is seriously under reported everywhere, so statistics really do not tell the true story. Also, how broadly is raped defined? Most people would NOT say a prostitute is being raped when she is with a john or her pimp. Yet, the often horrific amount of violence these women have endured is often the only reason they do what they do. Pimps use tremendous amounts of physical and psychological abuse to get compliance. We don't define that as rape, yet we should. Rape is not about sex. Rape is about violence. Can a husband rape his wife? Absolutely. But ten years ago, it would have been tough to get a jury to agree. So, exactly what the legal system says is rape, often does not begin to cover how often the crime is committed. America's jails are basically rape factories. These men are forced to join gangs just to try to prevent themselves being passed around as the flavor of the day. Yet, not only is that grossly under reported, its also very rarely prosecuted. When adults victimize children, its called molestation, but it should be called rape, as well.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on January 21, 2017, 03:00:19 PM
***************SPOILER TALK********************

Just some info on the coming season starting Fab 12, so if you have no desire to even know, or suspect, anything, just stop reading here.

I get a magazine called Entertainment Weekly, and this week they ahd a great story about the upcoming season, basically admitting that the last part of this season was very hard and dreary for the fans, and the cast. They said you basically have to really hit bottom, before you can start to fight back, and starting Feb 12, the "War on Negan' will begin. The hows and whys are not available so things can only be guessed at, bu7t they do say that Daryl is in 'Kill Mode' and wonder of wonders, we will get to see Rick smile.  :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:

Here is a link to some of the article
http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/18/walking-dead-season-7-new-character-location-photo/ (http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/18/walking-dead-season-7-new-character-location-photo/)

Again, it doesn't say what is going to happen as no one knows, but it does go as far as saying that this half of this season will be a lot more 'uplifting' than the last half, with some EPIC battles and they will definitely get out of that 'dark' place the show was was in.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on January 21, 2017, 03:04:51 PM
Lenn - I told you they were copying The Odyssey!  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 08, 2017, 04:47:29 PM
Gear it up guys, the 'battle' begins this Sunday.

You know I am really looking forward to this next 1/2 season. We may well lose people we like, but this should be a much more uplifting second half than that ultra gloomy first 1/2.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 11, 2017, 10:03:57 PM
ONLY 24 HOURS TO GO!
 been sitting here all day watching the reruns. ive enjoyed it and when you got a broken leg what else you going to do but read and watch tv? oh and eat stuff you are not supposed to too!
,I,m hoping somehow someway someone just shoots Negan, I know it wont happen for a couple of years but Im already sick of him. But I can still enjoy the great acting, etc, Didn't care too much for the first half episodes, Im hoping the second half is move better which Nicotero said it will be so who knows.A bad episode of The walking dead is better then almost anything else's best episode of the year most of the time anyway!
 meanwhile over on Starz network were in the final season of Black Sails with the rising of Long John Silver! also some actor with very attractive ta tas!
Nothing worng with that!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 13, 2017, 07:49:31 PM
I was disappointed. Felt like a mid-season episode, not an opener. I guess the negative reaction to last year's opener meant we had to put up with a snore-fest to "balance" it out. Interesting how the body count swung completely and totally back to the walkers. I'm found the episode lacking the conviction of why Rick has so dramatically changed his tune. His son is still very much a target and Neegan has held Rick's daughter in his arms. Why would Rick be so gung-ho for war when he HAS to know that Neegan will seek Carl out in any forthcoming battle? If Carl is expendable, why submit to Neegan in the first place? Certainly, Spencer's death could not have meant much to Rick. Not sure it meant much to anyone. I just don't see the rationale behind the transition from compliant to defiant. And how ridiculous is it that Daryl's escape didn't cost anyone their life? Neegan and his people kill for far, far less! Sorry, I don't buy into the "we are going to take a looksee and if we don't find Daryl, we'll just drive off" reaction to the escape. Completely goes against character. As disappointed as many of you were with last season's opener, due to the gore, I am disappointed with this season's opener due to the writing.  :boooo:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on February 14, 2017, 07:52:38 AM
I was disappointed. Felt like a mid-season episode, not an opener. I guess the negative reaction to last year's opener meant we had to put up with a snore-fest to "balance" it out. Interesting how the body count swung completely and totally back to the walkers. I'm found the episode lacking the conviction of why Rick has so dramatically changed his tune. His son is still very much a target and Neegan has held Rick's daughter in his arms. Why would Rick be so gung-ho for war when he HAS to know that Neegan will seek Carl out in any forthcoming battle? If Carl is expendable, why submit to Neegan in the first place? Certainly, Spencer's death could not have meant much to Rick. Not sure it meant much to anyone. I just don't see the rationale behind the transition from compliant to defiant. And how ridiculous is it that Daryl's escape didn't cost anyone their life? Neegan and his people kill for far, far less! Sorry, I don't buy into the "we are going to take a looksee and if we don't find Daryl, we'll just drive off" reaction to the escape. Completely goes against character. As disappointed as many of you were with last season's opener, due to the gore, I am disappointed with this season's opener due to the writing.  :boooo:

Rick learned from his mistakes.  Last time they went up against the Saviors he went in guns blazing no intel and no preparation.   As a result, good people died.   Rick isn't going to make the same mistake twice.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 14, 2017, 12:36:48 PM
I really liked the episode. They had a lot of 'guts and gore"=violence, that wasn't over the top where it was sick as I stated about the whole Negan thing.
  Forming up with the old 'team", finding new help such as the "junk yard survivors"  and looking like they are going to make themselves into a militia to go take on the , oops, whatever Negan's group is called. Pretty sure Negan is supposed to be around for a few YEARS though. Maybe they will stray from the comic book line, I hope so.
 Anyway, I really enjoyed it.
 Glad to see the show return to the characters and the great acting over just plain violence.
 Let's GO Rays!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 14, 2017, 01:14:23 PM
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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 14, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
Rick learned from his mistakes.  Last time they went up against the Saviors he went in guns blazing no intel and no preparation.   As a result, good people died.   Rick isn't going to make the same mistake twice.

Rick NEVER learns from his mistakes. And he keeps making the same ones!!! Rick's arrogance, his belief that his way is the right way, has resulted in nearly every death in the group since the series began!!! The list starts from season one. Rick's insistence that he go back in Atlanta led to the group being under armed and under manned when a mini-herd attacked the camp. Showing the Rick that was to come, he insisted they go back in Atlanta AGAIN to try the CDC!!! Honestly, Rich, if Rick was in MY group, I would have long ago put a bullet in the base of his skull. He's an arrogant ass. Morgan warned him not to get into the murder for hire business and Rick's insistence that he was right has cost Glenn, Abraham, and Spencer their lives. Meanwhile, Daryl has been tortured, Aaron nearly beaten to death, and Eugene is Neegan's captive. Somebody take Lucille to Rick's head and stop the carnage!!

You mention intel. Awesome. Perfect. Let's look at how stupid Rick is being - again! How many satellite posts do the Saviors have? We know Rick and the gang killed the occupants of one of them. Has that been repopulated with Saviors? What about the spot they took Carol and Maggie to? That was once an outpost. Is it still empty or are there Saviors there? How many men does Neegan have? How many weapons? What kind of weapons? Rick didn't even know about the Kingdom. Had no idea they existed. He knows Neegan's main base and that's it! Does he even know whether or not Neegan is there EVERY day? What if Neegan checks the outposts once, twice, three times a month? What days does he do that? Is it a set schedule or does it vary? Intel? He's got damn close to none and he's gearing up for war. When I discussed TWD and The Odyssey it is because of the Greek's insistence of driving home the point of the dangers of hubris. And the one thing Rick is NOT lacking is hubris. Brains, planning, savvy, concern for others, respect for people he knows and cares for - that's what he's lacking and that's why they keep dying. Make the same mistake twice? Hell, people need to grateful when he doesn't make the same mistake twice in the same episode!!!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 21, 2017, 11:52:18 AM
I was away last week and have now, just got caught up.

First last weeks opener. Tucker, I think you are thinking TOO logically. It's easy to sit back and blame Rick for every death, but we have never walked in his shoes. He is not a perfect leader, or character, none of them are, and he makes mistakes that maybe, have caused the deaths of people. But he also has brought his people to this point. Where would any of them be without Rick and/or, the entire group? Most likely they all would be dead or squirreled away some where, or maybe even part of groups like the Saviors under the misguided leadership of people like Negan. Some one has to lead and I believe there have been times when Rick would have gladly given over leadership to any one else who wanted it. Rick, after all, was a policeman who is usually 'in charge' in emergencies. I believe that is the mentality of people in that sort of profession.
Now, don't get me wrong, I have said several times, the group would probably survive is Rick was killed off. I could have seen Carol as a leader, even Maggie right now. Daryl is no leader or is anyone else that is part of the group now, or in the last few seasons. Maybe Hershel was the last person who could have lead the group, I don't know. It's Rick's job by default.

Now on to the episode. Sure this was a real quiet start from the opener last season, but I didn't find it boring. It was almost 90 minutes, but it was more a strategy thing, setting things up for the rest of the season. These guys have to start some where, and it is taking us step by step to see how they are going to rally the troops to take on Negan. It was pretty mild, even the Zombie massacre was pretty tame overall. Remember, the Walkers aren't really threats anymore, it is the people. I kind of knew Gregory and the Hilltoppers weren't going to be much help, but I though 'The Kingdom' would get in on the action right away. I was wrong. They will come around, they have to. it will take something extraordinary, like Benjamin getting killed to make them see the light to take on the Saviors. I don't know. Morgan is still being a wimp.
 The thing that gets me is we don't know time frames here. The Saviors came to find Daryl, yet there was no mention of what the Alexandrian s were supposed to give them for supplies? Yet Rick and crew are wandering around the countryside not seeming to worry what or if the Saviors come back to Alexandria and find nothing.
I am willing to wait to see how this 'new' action by Rick and crew is going to play out. It has to build to a big showdown this season or this season will fall flat.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 21, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Watched episode 2 this AM and we get introduced to the Scavengers led buyJanid (SP). Where these people came from, I have no idea but new groups are popping up faster than I can keep track of. For 3-4 years, our group wandered around, finding small colonies of survivors, now we get entire groups of people who are out there. Soon people may outnumber the Walkers  :laugh:

So what did we find out? Rick's group has found an ally and it is a good start. But they have to get guns. The 'old' Rick is now probably kicking himself for giving away all Alexandria's weapons to Negan, but that is old thinking now. Can they raid some of the Satellite places and get arms that way?. I can see that Oceansider's group getting into the fray somewhere pretty soon as they have hidden weapons and just women there. Who was it that knows about them--Tara--right? The fight between Rick and Winslow was pretty good, Reminded me a lot of one old Star Trek episode where Kirk had to fight this alien dragon. anyway Rick now has an ally.

What did surprise me was Daryl's refusal to tell carol about what has happened to the group. I guess he still does have compassion left in him as he just didn't want to cause Carol any pain. I still see her in action by the season's end. It does bother me that Ezikeal still doesn't get it. As I said before, there will be something dramatic that will sway him. Either some one very close to him will be killed or maybe even the Tiger taken or killed, but they will move to join Rick. Morgan is really pissing me off though. Let's say it has been 2 years into the Apocalypse and Morgan and Ezikeal still have the belief that passiveness is better than standing up for yourself. This is a kill or be killed world now and their way may sound good on paper, but it is just not the world they live in. What will it take to get them to take action?

Again, I found this episode quietly building to a big time conclusion. It may have lacked a lot of action and killing, but I still found it very entertaining.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on February 21, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
When I saw this:

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I was thinking, "seriously?!?  who does something like this????"
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 21, 2017, 01:31:01 PM
I think Carol knows that Daryl was keeping the truth from her. When she thinks about it she comes out of seclusion. I think Tara goes back to the Oceansiders and tries to recruit them. Richard is going to do something stupid. Rosita is either going to to get her head bashed in or become another of Negan's wives. She feels responsible for Eugene and she's going after him. I think Maggie takes over the Hilltop Group and Ezekiel comes around after Jerry gets killed. Everyone loves Jerry like he has a Red Sweater and he's gotta go. Just my take at this point.   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 21, 2017, 05:11:21 PM

It's easy to sit back and blame Rick for every death, but we have never walked in his shoes. He is not a perfect leader, or character, none of them are, and he makes mistakes that maybe, have caused the deaths of people. But he also has brought his people to this point. Where would any of them be without Rick and/or, the entire group?


My guess? They would all be living in the jail safe and happy. The issue with Rick is his arrogance. NO ONE was excited, or even mildly interested, by the idea of murder for hire but Rick. Rick had been through so much with so many of them. If the entire group, including people you , literally, trust with your life, think something is a bad idea, that's the time when a competent leader takes notice and pauses. That's when you gather your most trusted and discuss pros and cons. Had Rick NOT been such an insufferable ass, that killing the Saviors was the ONLY way, I'm pretty sure that Glenn and Michone would have opted for trying to scout for food for, at least, another week before killing off every person in the Savior's outpost. As I said before, they were getting low on food, they were NOT at the point where they didn't have any. Rick's not a leader. Rick's a bully. It's his way or the highway and if you disagree, you feel his wrath.

Again, I still fail to believe the turn in Rick's attitude. Carl is still in the same, if not more, danger as he was when Rick capitulated to Negan. If Negan put Rick "on a leash" by threatening Carl's life, what changed? Why the shift in perspective? This is where I feel the writers really let the fans down. At minimum, there should have some seismic event, or at least, a genuine heart to heart between Rick and Carl to get us to this place. It was just terribly sloppy writing. 

As for this week, all I can say is, again, horrible writing!!! Nothing has changed re: intel about the Saviors. So, they are still woefully under prepared for war. As for the Scavengers 1) no indication they can be trusted 2) no compelling. long term reason to fight. First signs of casualties, they would not have any reason to continue to fight and would flee 3) They don't fight!!!! They told Rick they had been waiting a long, long time for someone to get the supplies off the boat. What was the line? "We take, we don't bother.". Outside of cannon fodder (see reason #1 & #2 for the problem with that), what value do they bring to the battle - if they have any intention of battling at all? They want guns first and even that's a limited time offer. Once they have said guns, who knows whether they will hold up their end of the bargain? Remember, Negan has NOT caused them ANY pain. Not done them wrong. As far as any of them know, Rick is the sociopath and Negan is a great guy! They only have Rick's words to go on.

Look, accepting the entire premise of the show requires that we suspend a significant amount of logic to even watch the show. But, for me, this is exactly like Glen surviving the herd attack by "hiding" under the dumpster for hours. It insults my intelligence. For me, when this show is truly enjoyable is when the subplot is somewhat believable. Yes,, the main theme will always be ridiculous. The dead cannot rise and, even if they did, they certainly could not coordinate an attack on anything living. We won't even get into the completely illogical thought of the dead eating the living, digesting and internally processing the meat, and how a dead body would then void the waste. That's just mind numbing stupid. But, when the show ventures into exploring the "real world" dilemmas of the cast, PLEASE make those moments somewhat plausible. When that becomes as hard to believe as the dead eating the living, that's when the show is a huge disappointment.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 22, 2017, 06:57:08 PM
Sorry Tucker, I just don't agree. Yes, Rick can be pig headed at times, but who else could have led this group. I went to my weekly discussion group and this question was brought up. In the entire series, who could have done a better job leading our group. Names like Shane came up, also Hershel, maybe Carol, but she was never able to lead thru the first 3 years. So right from the get go, maybe Shane and that's about it. Later on, as I said, Hershel could have led the group, and MAYBE Carol, by default, so it was basically Rick's job all along. Has he done a good job, I guess, it's how you what to look at it.

As for the writing, I feel it is quite good. As we have said several times, every episode can't be chucked full of excitement, but, for me, there is plenty there to grasp on to and make me yearn for more.

Questions asked--how will carol find out about what has really happened to the group and her friends?
Tara is around some where, and I didn't realize that she also knows nothing of the deaths of several from the group. Will she break her promise and reveal the Oceansiders to Rick?
What will make Ezikeal and the Kingdom, finally join Rick to fight the Saviors?
And will Negan make it to next season alive?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 22, 2017, 08:19:54 PM
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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on February 23, 2017, 10:12:11 AM
Sorry Tucker, I just don't agree. Yes, Rick can be pig headed at times, but who else could have led this group. I went to my weekly discussion group and this question was brought up. In the entire series, who could have done a better job leading our group. Names like Shane came up, also Hershel, maybe Carol, but she was never able to lead thru the first 3 years. So right from the get go, maybe Shane and that's about it. Later on, as I said, Hershel could have led the group, and MAYBE Carol, by default, so it was basically Rick's job all along. Has he done a good job, I guess, it's how you what to look at it.

As for the writing, I feel it is quite good. As we have said several times, every episode can't be chucked full of excitement, but, for me, there is plenty there to grasp on to and make me yearn for more.

Questions asked--how will carol find out about what has really happened to the group and her friends?
Tara is around some where, and I didn't realize that she also knows nothing of the deaths of several from the group. Will she break her promise and reveal the Oceansiders to Rick?
What will make Ezikeal and the Kingdom, finally join Rick to fight the Saviors?
And will Negan make it to next season alive?

I think Dale could have been a good leader if he could have set up Rick or Shane as his sergeant at arms.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 23, 2017, 12:16:50 PM
yeah Tuck, Im not sure I agree with all u say there but I do give you credit for a well thought out opinion.
 I thin Rick has done a very good job except twice, and I blame the writing on these,
first one is I don't think  almost giving up one of his group to the governor to "trade" for the gov not attacking? he wouldn't do that.
 and the second is when they attacked the outpost, when Daryl and RIck said 'hell yeah we will kill them all". they never killed before except when attacked. that I felt didn't fit their personalities that we all actually DO have a handle on because the writing is so good and consistent.
 it just didn't fit, it really didn't.
 But hey that just my 2 cents
 Since this thread is made up of people that are my friends Give yall a update:
 had the cat scan. no operation and no cast. Have to wear this really fancy sci fi NFL style brace until march 17 and then we will go from there. still hurts occasionally and sleep time really does suck, you know 3 am and your knee wakes you up with apin and you don't dare take a pill cuz then youll end up taking them every night.
 gave up all my spring season baseball tickets as I wont be able to maneuver for those. I SAY THIS HERE NOT TO HIJACK THE THREAD BUT TO LET MY FRIENDS KNOW WITHOUT POSTING A WHOLE DEAL TO EXPLAIN IT. this way the appropriate people know with out making a big deal out of anything.
 NO TO HIJACK THE THREAD SO PLEASE..LETS STAY ON TOPIC.......THANKS FOR THE UNDERSTANDING
 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 23, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
I also think Negan is going to be around for a few seasons, maybe not with the power he has now , but still in the equation
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 23, 2017, 02:03:27 PM
To continue 'not the hijack' part of this thread, glad you do not need to go under the knife Weeze. That is always a positive. Also, you have loads of friends here, you should post an update on the main board (find your old thread). On this board you have all of about 6-7 people looking at it.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 23, 2017, 02:07:50 PM
I think Dale could have been a good leader if he could have set up Rick or Shane as his sergeant at arms.

Fu7nny thing is, Dale's name did come up. Myself, personally, I never felt Dale was a group leader. To me  he was more a buddy then to take on the responsibility of leading an entire group of people. Maybe with that 'strong-armed' sidekick, but I just didn't see that.

Daryl's brother (I forgot his name) might have been a leader, but he certainly wouldn't have taken the group the way Rick did.

I really should go back and watch that entire first season, it probably would be an entirely different way of thinking compared to today's series.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 24, 2017, 08:13:21 AM
for gods sake, yall here all the brew ha ha over the "eeney meeny miney" shirt? are people nutz?
what do they do, just peruse every comment, every statement every every thing ti yell RACIST?????
damn, what has happened to this world? it never stops!

Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 24, 2017, 09:59:38 AM
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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 24, 2017, 12:02:31 PM
hey by season 25, Daryl looks like he could be a member of the Rolling Stones!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 24, 2017, 02:06:32 PM
hey by season 25, Daryl looks like he could be a member of the Rolling Stones!

Weeze--you are on a roll. That 'nurse' must be doing wonders for you.     =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 25, 2017, 01:32:22 AM
Just for the record, you guys are endorsing the leadership of a guy who just made a critical military (well, as military as it gets on the show) alliance with people he interacted with for less than 15 minutes. And, that includes a around 5 minutes spent battling porcupine walker. I like you guys, but if the zombie apocalypse ever rolls around, I ain't hanging with you.  :no: :no: :no: I may grab my old baseball bat and some barbed wire from the garage before hitting the road, tho.  :P
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 25, 2017, 08:39:55 AM
don't worry Tuck. I have a extra handgun zI can lend you. we will go kill all the walkers on Sanibel Island and then blow the bridge up! then your biggest choice will be which  mansion to live in
 and I do agree with you altho I blame the writers for getting sloppy. drafting the "junkies" into the all survivor army wouldn't be a almost on the spot immediate decision he would make.
 I think the "junkies" don't exist in the comics and if so, that means the writers are open to send the show off in a seriously different direction then the comics.
 {graphic novels] takes longer to type}
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 25, 2017, 08:55:51 AM
Every one of these community leaders was and is flawed in some way. From sociopaths, to the wackadoos to the clueless. Unfortunately there is nobody who would make good leader out of this group. Someone needs to come along and lead all of these factions with under bosses.

With the Saviors, the key is taking out the leadership and putting someone else in their place. I can see Carol taking over this group. The Kingdom has it's merits but although Ezekiel has developed a great community, he's not the one to usher in a new world order. Alexandria is a great community that needed to be self sustaining and better protected. In a climate like Georgia, to not have farm communities and more solar energy and shops with trades by this time is the sadness of it all.

It makes me wonder what the rest of the world is like and if this small sample segment is the norm or just an aberration.

True leaders would be building for the future and a new world order. One that is sustainable and thriving, with a self sustaining infrastructure, a military in place and an educational system. Of course very boring and nobody would watch it.     
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 25, 2017, 11:48:05 AM
um Vette, they aren't in Georgia, they are in Alexandria, Virginia, Speaking of which , I don't think ALexandria is anything BUT a urban environment with parks and such , but not like all the open countryside thay have on the show. Doesn't bother me at all that they misrepresent the area at all, Im just making the point is all.
and for YOU Vette, when the zombie apocalypse comes, Ill give tuck my bersa .380 but YOU ge the 12 gauge Ithaca pump shotgun. see we are all gonna move to sanible island and live out our lives there. wont have to worry about any zombies getting to the island after we blow up its one bridge, the gators will take care of that. we can live off fish and the occasional run to the mainland by boat!
 I get it all figgerrred out eh?  :what:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 25, 2017, 11:55:51 AM
um Vette, they aren't in Georgia, they are in Alexandria, Virginia, Speaking of which , I don't think ALexandria is anything BUT a urban environment with parks and such , but not like all the open countryside thay have on the show. Doesn't bother me at all that they misrepresent the area at all, Im just making the point is all.
and for YOU Vette, when the zombie apocalypse comes, Ill give tuck my bersa .380 but YOU ge the 12 gauge Ithaca pump shotgun. see we are all gonna move to sanible island and live out our lives there. wont have to worry about any zombies getting to the island after we blow up its one bridge, the gators will take care of that. we can live off fish and the occasional run to the mainland by boat!
 I get it all figgerrred out eh?  :what:

We gotta put in water mines to keep the riff raff out. We can have a gator farm too and have gator steaks. Man cannot live on Perch alone. If we bring Whales, he can make us Snappy Gator Grillers. Ok, now I'm hungry!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 25, 2017, 02:02:16 PM
um Vette, they aren't in Georgia, they are in Alexandria, Virginia, Speaking of which , I don't think ALexandria is anything BUT a urban environment with parks and such , but not like all the open countryside thay have on the show. Doesn't bother me at all that they misrepresent the area at all, Im just making the point is all.
and for YOU Vette, when the zombie apocalypse comes, Ill give tuck my bersa .380 but YOU ge the 12 gauge Ithaca pump shotgun. see we are all gonna move to sanible island and live out our lives there. wont have to worry about any zombies getting to the island after we blow up its one bridge, the gators will take care of that. we can live off fish and the occasional run to the mainland by boat!
 I get it all figgerrred out eh?  :what:

Weeze - you're a dead man! Need a winter where you can clear out the frozen walkers!!!

My choice spot is Plum Brook Station in North Ohio. It's a big nature reserve because it was a World War II munitions factory and the government bought up lots of land around it to make sure if it all went "boom" one day, it would not wipe out the civilian population. They also have a large number of steel reinforced concrete bunkers scattered around the facility for the same reason. Now, it's a NASA research facility. Here's a list of their "toys" that could easily be weaponized to hold off attacks - walker or human

The Space Power Facility (SPF) houses the world’s largest and most powerful space environment simulation facilities including the Space Simulation Vacuum Chamber measuring 100 ft. in diameter by 122 ft. high. The Reverberant Acoustic Test Facility is the world's most powerful spacecraft acoustic test chamber, which can simulate the noise of a spacecraft launch up to 166 decibels or as loud as the thrust of 20 jet engines. The Mechanical Vibration Facility is the world's highest capacity and most powerful spacecraft shaker system, subjecting test articles to the rigorous conditions of launch.

The Spacecraft Propulsion Research Facility (B-2) is the world's only facility capable of testing full-scale, upper-stage launch vehicles and rocket engines under simulated high-altitude conditions. The engine or vehicle can be exposed for indefinite periods to low ambient pressures, low-background temperatures and dynamic solar heating to simulate the environment of orbital or interplanetary travel.

The Cryogenic Components Laboratory (CCL) is a state-of-the-art facility for research, development and qualification of cryogenic materials, components and systems. CCL specializes in testing materials at very low temperatures by using liquid hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen


Acoustics could bring any human force to their knees. Cryo - walker popsicles!!! Plus, the bunkers would require a significant amount of TNT to even breech the door. If they had that much TNT - highly unlikely under the circumstances - the doorways are narrow and only one, maybe two people could get in at a time. It would be a canned hunt.

I imagine in one winter we would be able to decimate the walker population, but just in case, remember the shark researchers Ron and Valerie Taylor? They made diving suits out of chain mail and sharks could NOT bite through. Well, a shark bite is much more powerful than a human's. So, if sharks can't bite you, walkers sure as hell can't.
http://neptunic.com/products/sharksuits (http://neptunic.com/products/sharksuits)

The group would all carry semi-auto ARs. Easy to fix and clean. Readily available ammo and parts. They don't call it "America's gun" for nothing. It's popularity and availability is undeniable. But, the primary weapon would be the Halbert. Yeah, going medieval! Take a look at why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxWnnE3PzrE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxWnnE3PzrE)

As for food and water, two words - Lake Erie. There are more deer in Ohio than should be because politicians use hunting revenues, specially out of state, to balance the books. Sandusky river has the walleye migration in the spring. The best rivers for steelhead in the winter are by Cleveland. Far enough away that I would very leery of going there. High chance of surviors there and I am not counting on any one being friendly. But the Vermilion is very close by and it always gets some steelhead. Now, to be fair, the steelhead are being stocked. So, post zombie apocalypse, they might not be sustainable. So, I will categorize them as merely a possible food source. Travel in winter should be easy on any day below freezing. Walkers become a non issue. So hunting parties would really only have to focus on hunting and any potential living humans. As for the other three seasons, Lake Erie and the rivers have plenty of fish, ducks, geese, and the woods are full of deer, and other mammals. However, due to how Ohio has been developed , it is NOT a good state for predators. There just is not enough continuous green space for anything bigger than a coyote to thrive long term. So, watching for bears, cougars, or wolves is not likely to be concern until the forest reclaims the developed land. Plenty of farm land available all around. Corn, soybeans, and tomatoes all grow really well here. There is also a fish hatchery nearby. Would hopefully be able to secure that and have access to more rainbow trout that we would know what to do with.

Head north, weeze!! A guy with a bum knee needs the cold to slow the walkers down!  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 25, 2017, 02:47:01 PM
Thanks guys, I've been with you all along and now get left for gator bait while you all relax on that island.  :boooo: :boooo: :boooo: :boooo: :boooo:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 25, 2017, 03:39:55 PM
First rule of the zombie apocalypse, Lenn. I don't have to be faster than the herd. I just have to be faster than you.  :P
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 25, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
yeah but what about keeping warm? at least on the gulf coast ya might get a bit warm in the summer but youll never freeze. few things better for you then fish, plenty of fruit around two.
 we can put lenn in charge of making sure no rattlers flourish, don't have to worry bout the moccasins as the gators eat them first.
 and for lenn I can arm him with my Crossman pellet rifle. we all must be armed after all!  :what: :what: :what: :what: :what:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 25, 2017, 07:51:20 PM
yeah but what about keeping warm? at least on the gulf coast ya might get a bit warm in the summer but youll never freeze. few things better for you then fish, plenty of fruit around two.
 we can put lenn in charge of making sure no rattlers flourish, don't have to worry bout the moccasins as the gators eat them first.
 and for lenn I can arm him with my Crossman pellet rifle. we all must be armed after all!  :what: :what: :what: :what: :what:

Too many predators - alive and dead! Warm just leads to hot. Which means you sweat, which means your reliance on potable water becomes even more critical. Besides, the underground bunkers will warm a little just from body heat. We'll be completely sheltered from the wind. There are plenty of trees, firewood is plentiful. The Native Americans survived and thrived using hides. I don't have a problem with a buckskin jacket and pants. Granted, not my first fashion choice, but survival ain't about looking pretty. Assuming the bird hunting goes well, all the duck and geese feathers can be put to use. I might end up looking like the Michelin tire man in my homemade down jacket!!!
Also, weeze, what do you think the over/under is until the first case of malaria hits your southern island paradise? I'm guessing you've got a year, or two, tops.
Lenn served his country. He deserves some dignity! I'll give him my Ruger 10/22. And if he shows he's responsible, I'll give him the 25 round magazines. ;) 
Since the repetitive freeze/thaw cycle should weaken the walkers body structure dramatically, it should be pretty easy to crack skulls after the first winter. We'll be cleaning up the last few walkers that spring just as you and Ed are remembering that the problem with islands off the coast is there's tons of water all around you. You just can't drink any of it because it's salt water.  :o  Either of you guys know how to build a desalination plant?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 25, 2017, 08:26:05 PM
Plenty of rain water to filter and boil for drinking. I have a friend in the Keys that has a completely self sustaining house and property. Weeze and I will be setting up windmills and solar power and a farm with 365 operation.  Lots of orange trees so we won't get scurvy like the northern outposts.


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on February 26, 2017, 12:53:01 AM
Plenty of rain water to filter and boil for drinking. I have a friend in the Keys that has a completely self sustaining house and property. Weeze and I will be setting up windmills and solar power and a farm with 365 operation.  Lots of orange trees so we won't get scurvy like the northern outposts.


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One cold night and it's bye bye orange trees. You guys won't be able to set up heaters like orange growers do now. Those babies cannot handle a frost. Besides, tomatoes, which grow like crazy here, are chock full of vitamin C! And, unlike oranges, are easily canned and made into sauce for long term storage. I will give you guys solar. No question, you crush us there. Even in the summer, Ohio is cloudy. But, between wind, hydro, and natural gas, we should be more than fine. A large number of streams and rivers had mills on them in the 1800s, so it's already been proven to work. And, if we ever get into a jam, we do have access to 3000 gallons of liquid oxygen, 1300 gallons of liquid hydrogen, liquid nitrogen; gaseous nitrogen and helium, and other storable fuels/gases plus a quartz infrared heating system that can be programmed to radiate a sinusoidal distribution, simulating rotational solar heating.  Can't believe I almost forgot this, we also have 400 kW solar simulator. In case we want to work on our tans.  =))

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/Facilities/ext/spf/capabilities.html (https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/Facilities/ext/spf/capabilities.html)

All kidding aside, with what's out there, why settle for Alexandria?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 27, 2017, 09:22:35 AM
Who else thinks Negan set up Eugene with the wives and the sleeping pills to test him? They never discussed that aspect in TD.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on February 27, 2017, 10:44:35 AM
Test him for what? Just curious as to your line of thinking here?

Loyalty,  Sex. the girts spying on him?

Personally, I do think Eugene is playing with him a bit. Sure he must be scared out of his mind. He knows what Negan is capable of, but in reality, he is still a little mouse and will not stand up to anyone. He had the chance with the never made pills, to maybe, end this, but he chose to remain neutral. I still have to beleive his loyalties remain with Alexandria, but you do have to wonder?

Still not sure of that last scene between Eugene and Dwight. Thoughts on that?????????
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: gregf on February 27, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
I liked the Eugene epidode, makes you wonder where he is heading. I agree with Tucker, the scavenger alliance is tenuous, but hey, desperate times. The scavengers and river people aren't in the comics, so it's a fresh twist to keep us guessing. I love the violence and creativity on creapy stuff; but the Carol and Daryll reunion, and Dwight dropping off beer and pretzels makes great character attachment.

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 27, 2017, 04:13:12 PM
Test him for what? Just curious as to your line of thinking here?

Loyalty,  Sex. the girts spying on him?

Personally, I do think Eugene is playing with him a bit. Sure he must be scared out of his mind. He knows what Negan is capable of, but in reality, he is still a little mouse and will not stand up to anyone. He had the chance with the never made pills, to maybe, end this, but he chose to remain neutral. I still have to beleive his loyalties remain with Alexandria, but you do have to wonder?

Still not sure of that last scene between Eugene and Dwight. Thoughts on that?????????

He has had trouble with Daryl running away after not being broken and other issues with the group. So testing him to see his loyalty and if he's really to be trusted. Also, he had one wife bail on him too so maybe he's looking at the wives also. That last wife left the room and said nothing so I'm wondering if she's the one who's a mole.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 27, 2017, 05:59:10 PM
I believe Eugene is still loyal to our group of heroes but hes just not going to show it.
 I found the episode a little confusing, Im going to have to watch it again. I think I was half awake last night watching it.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 28, 2017, 05:49:51 AM
watched it on the computer again last night. Jeeze Im bored with negan's character. I mean Jeffrey dean morgan is a good actor and all but the character he plays just doesn't seem credible to me. sorry for all the all the Negan worshippers out there, and there are a lot. Somebody would just shoot him in the head. one shot, end of him and watch the power struggle. whole set up would fall apart from within I think.
Title: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 28, 2017, 09:50:54 AM
Here's how it ends for Negan...This guy with a pony tail walks up to Negan on crutches with a wrapped up knee. Struggling to get there and in obvious pain he mumbles something like "gator bait"...The man then raises one cane up to Negan's midsection and a 12 inch blade shoots out piercing Negan through the heart. Negan smiles with blood coming out of the edges of his mouth and says, "LOOK At YOU!!! Finally someone with balls!" As Negan drops to the ground on his knees, the man pulls the blade out as he swings it left to right severing the head of Negan. He drops the crutch and picks up the head by the scalp, turns to the crowd and says, Bitches!!!..Who are you??? The crowd gets down on one knee and they shout..."I AM WEEZE!!!!


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on February 28, 2017, 11:42:52 AM
DAMN! I like that! cept no pony tail, I cut it off, 16 inchs worth, in October to donate it.
 cane sword in the crutchs, way cool!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on February 28, 2017, 12:27:17 PM
And the name of the crutch is Betsy.


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 05, 2017, 05:01:04 PM
Hey the reruns start at 5 something leading up to this weeks episode. I like this, no football, stuck here with BOTH crutches, tweedle dee and tweedle dum might as well watch a bunch of walking dead. altho the second half of this season hasn't been great in my opinion.
 Actually, it hasn't be as great since Negan showed up in spite of all the hoopla. Best thing this year was MAGGIE RUNNING OVER A WELDED UP AMC gremlin!!!!!! 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 06, 2017, 09:16:13 AM
last nights episode was the first time I actually thought  'wow, this is so slow."
when they went on the roof, I KNEW theyd fall through it.
 it was almost like I had read the script.
 so now we will get set up for a war and........end of season!
 every time I see negan I find him more boring, overhyped, whatever.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 06, 2017, 01:08:08 PM
Sorry you are not enjoying this season Weeze. Overall, there hasn't been loads of action, but I still find it well done. This particular episode had lots of action, so why the frustration?

Rick and Mishone are off, having some fun. As they mentioned in Talking Dead, it is the first time we see these people smile, for what seems like ages. Are they not allowed to enjoy their brief time, before the battle begins. As Rick says, once the battle starts, people will die, good people, maybe even them. They know Negan will be a calling very soon and now they are getting prepared. We see in the coming attractions Carol is back and ready for action, we see Tara ready to tell people about Oceanside. While we suffered thru an agonizing first half of this season, where every episode was doom and more doom, now there is hope. Why can't you be glad for them.

And just think, Negan's reign as top dog is slowing coming to an end.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 06, 2017, 03:24:37 PM
Unless something major changes, I will NOT be a happy camper until Maggie sticks a chainsaw in negans mouth!
 But I get it, if you eliminate the boogeyman there is no story. but jeeze does he half to be such a dork? not one person in his tribe will just shoot him in the face and spare the audience this torture? plenty of folks in his tribe with weapons that don't like him.
Im gonna order 1000 rounds of 7.62/39 from a online store and stock up so when they come around here I can AK them to the face! That's right, and Im gonna take that goon side kick of his out too altho I might let Eugene bite his pecker off. then that third guy, the one with the stash? feed him to the walkers.
 Ive got it all planned out. now if I can just get off the crutchs ill be on my way to virginny to put them out of business permanently!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 06, 2017, 03:28:14 PM
I thought this was the worst episode of the entire series. Like John said it was very predictable and from my perspective, I just don't feel the chemistry between Rick and Mishone. The two idiots looking to take out Negan is a bad plot line. The scavengers are just annoyingly ridiculous with their speech.

Last season was much better written and even the last episode with Eugene and Negan was good. It's not about the action or the gore for me, it's about the unexpected and interesting story lines.

They would be crazy to kill off Negan. He's the most interesting character on the show right now and JDM is slam dunking the role. Google the first name Jeffrey and see what comes up first. He has a huge fan following. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 06, 2017, 04:08:06 PM
You what did bother me from this episode--I don't hear as well as I should, so I put on the captions to make sure I know what is being said. When you have this on, they tell you about other sounds that one MIGHT hear or not. All thru this episode, they kept putting up--'birds chirping' insects humming, or something like that. My question is, where the hell did all these birds come from, and now the deer are out, just nibbling along. For 4 years we didn't see or hear any animal, not even a darn dog, now the birds are out chirping away, insects are doing what insects do and deer, for God's sake. If all this 'food' is out there for the walkers why are they starving themselves?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 06, 2017, 04:24:26 PM
The other thing is that they never sent out a team to another state or location out of that area to see if there was something better with the possibility of leaving Alexandria. Like Weeze's island in the sun.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 06, 2017, 07:55:51 PM
.......and when im done with them ill sic my killer dawg on negan and let her pee on his remains! there! thatll get him!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 07, 2017, 12:44:08 PM
I am actually liking the show again.  It's nice to see Rick and Michonne have a little fun.  It's all about love and war.   Rick and Michonne are in the honeymoon phase of the relationship and they were feeling invincible and enjoying themselves.   The accident brought into harsh focus the realities of the war they will be waging.  That people will die and odds are good it will be people they are close to.

As for the scavengers speaking oddly, that's a nice touch of detail.   No doubt with the isolation you would witness people start to develop different dialects and accents. 

I really enjoyed the Eugene episode and last nights was nearly as good.   I think the mistakes made by Rick and Michonne also reminded everyone that the dead are still very much a real threat and not something to be taken lightly.

I think the Michonne's comments to Rick about how he should be in charge were also very interesting.

Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 07, 2017, 10:00:20 PM
An interesting question was asked at my weekly WD discussion group.

Where were Rick and Mishonne when all this 'action' took place? We thought it was a sort of carnival, so why were there so many military men, with guns there? Was it a military base, as they seemed to have rations there, and maybe a carnival on the base, yet there was no perimeter. They ahd to know about the Walkers, yet there was no protection from anyone. Why would there be a carnival on a base with men walking around with loaded guns and no outer perimeter?
Maybe the writers had some sort of brain freeze?

We are also in disagreement as to how many of the Scavengers there are supposed to be? When they surrounded Rick and his group, there sure seemed a lot of them, but when we see them again, they are less, maybe by 1/2. So they gave them 40 something guns yet they want more, so how many are they? And also, if there is to be a battle, yet we, or Rick knows nothing of the strength of the Kingdom either? Do they have weapons enough for everyone?

And one final point, how come it hasn't rained on these people since the series began. it is ALWAYS sunny and hot, yet they are in Alexandria Virginia, where it definitely rains and maybe even snows. Our group is ill prepared, they don't even have jackets.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 07, 2017, 10:28:48 PM
they got rained on in the episode they spent a night in a barn and got hit by a tornado.
  even rick asked, "what happened here" cuz there were so many army dudes with rifles still slung over their shoulders and spent shells everywhere.
by scavengers are you referring to the junkies? the ones thqt live in the dumP? think there might be as many as a 100 of them but its hard to tell
  did I do good? did I asnserw your questions? did inquiring minds that wanted to know, know?
you know the war aint agonna happen this season. we will be bitching about FEAR before you know it!
 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 08, 2017, 09:25:14 AM
I'm with Ed. Zero chemistry. Worse writing. Michonne is the ultimate survivor. She made her way, alone, in the beginning of the zombie apocalypse with her walker fiance/husband as one of her "pets". So, when she - and everyone else - is adjusting to the new reality, she's tough as nails. Blocks out all feelings to survive. Now, years in, after surviving alone, after surviving so many tragedies and deaths, she thinks Rick has been killed and drops her sword? She loves Carl as if he is her own and no thought of she must survive to protect the kid? Not to mention, Michonne was against the murder for hire plot. Why would a woman be drawn to a man that got them into so much trouble, ESPECIALLY against her wishes? What's YOUR wife's reaction when you go directly against her wishes and it blows up in your face? Is she ready to have sex with you every moment she can? I usually get, "You made this mess. You clean it up." with the real possibility of a four letter word mumbled under breath!  :hurt: :hurt: :hurt:

I laughed out loud at Rick picking up a spent shell casing that has been on the ground since the "fierce battle" that happened at the fairground and it's in perfect condition. Apparently, tarnish and rust are no longer a thing. To give credit, I was overjoyed at Rick telling the Scavengers that they needed to clean the guns. At last! Gun maintenance is mentioned!

As for Lenn's point about the animals, Lenn, Carl got shot by one of Hershel's people while he was hunting a deer!!! Otherwise, our group would have never stumbled across Hershel's farm!!! Daryl's been seen with squirrel and rabbit kills a number of times. Plus, remember our group being confronted by a pack of dogs and making a tasty dinner out of them pre-Alexandria? It does make sense that as humanity starts to establish settlements, the walker numbers goes down. As the walker numbers go down, prey numbers should go up. As we saw with the walker herd being cut in half by the cars and the wire, even herds are much easier to cope with when the security of walls exist. You can take chances you wouldn't dare if there were no walls to flee to. It's not tiny groups trying to scrape by in the wilderness anymore. It's big groups of humanity, well armed, and behind high walls.

Lenn's reference to rain is correct. No way it rains that little. Especially when we see Rick and Michonne standing on a roof of a building and it's covered in standing water!!! Where did that water come from if it has not rained in a season, or three? Even more importantly, why is food a pressing concern and water is not? If you send me into the woods with a gun and I have to chose between water or food, I'm going water all the way. Especially, if I'm in the South and it's summer!!! I might dehydrate and be well into dying before the day is over w/o potable water, but I can go much, much longer w/o food.  ~X(

Again, kudos to Ed finding the Rosita story line weak. Another ultimate survivor acting weak and stupid because a man - with whom she never seemed to have much more than a sexual relationship with - was killed? Not buying it. Found the whole "wounded animal" syndrome Rosita has been displaying ever since Abraham and Sasha got together woefully out of character. Rosita is smarter and tougher than this. Surprised more people aren't up in arms about how weak Michonne, Rosita, and Carol are being portrayed as. These are the three ladies you want to have around when it all goes bad and, now, they seem more like over emotional Middle School girls than the bad ass women we knew them as.

Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 08, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
I'm with Ed. Zero chemistry. Worse writing. Michonne is the ultimate survivor. She made her way, alone, in the beginning of the zombie apocalypse with her walker fiance/husband as one of her "pets". So, when she - and everyone else - is adjusting to the new reality, she's tough as nails. Blocks out all feelings to survive. Now, years in, after surviving alone, after surviving so many tragedies and deaths, she thinks Rick has been killed and drops her sword? She loves Carl as if he is her own and no thought of she must survive to protect the kid? Not to mention, Michonne was against the murder for hire plot. Why would a woman be drawn to a man that got them into so much trouble, ESPECIALLY against her wishes? What's YOUR wife's reaction when you go directly against her wishes and it blows up in your face? Is she ready to have sex with you every moment she can? I usually get, "You made this mess. You clean it up." with the real possibility of a four letter word mumbled under breath!  :hurt: :hurt: :hurt:

I laughed out loud at Rick picking up a spent shell casing that has been on the ground since the "fierce battle" that happened at the fairground and it's in perfect condition. Apparently, tarnish and rust are no longer a thing. To give credit, I was overjoyed at Rick telling the Scavengers that they needed to clean the guns. At last! Gun maintenance is mentioned!

As for Lenn's point about the animals, Lenn, Carl got shot by one of Hershel's people while he was hunting a deer!!! Otherwise, our group would have never stumbled across Hershel's farm!!! Daryl's been seen with squirrel and rabbit kills a number of times. Plus, remember our group being confronted by a pack of dogs and making a tasty dinner out of them pre-Alexandria? It does make sense that as humanity starts to establish settlements, the walker numbers goes down. As the walker numbers go down, prey numbers should go up. As we saw with the walker herd being cut in half by the cars and the wire, even herds are much easier to cope with when the security of walls exist. You can take chances you wouldn't dare if there were no walls to flee to. It's not tiny groups trying to scrape by in the wilderness anymore. It's big groups of humanity, well armed, and behind high walls.

Lenn's reference to rain is correct. No way it rains that little. Especially when we see Rick and Michonne standing on a roof of a building and it's covered in standing water!!! Where did that water come from if it has not rained in a season, or three? Even more importantly, why is food a pressing concern and water is not? If you send me into the woods with a gun and I have to chose between water or food, I'm going water all the way. Especially, if I'm in the South and it's summer!!! I might dehydrate and be well into dying before the day is over w/o potable water, but I can go much, much longer w/o food.  ~X(

Again, kudos to Ed finding the Rosita story line weak. Another ultimate survivor acting weak and stupid because a man - with whom she never seemed to have much more than a sexual relationship with - was killed? Not buying it. Found the whole "wounded animal" syndrome Rosita has been displaying ever since Abraham and Sasha got together woefully out of character. Rosita is smarter and tougher than this. Surprised more people aren't up in arms about how weak Michonne, Rosita, and Carol are being portrayed as. These are the three ladies you want to have around when it all goes bad and, now, they seem more like over emotional Middle School girls than the bad ass women we knew them as.

Tuck,

Michonne's survival skill was to keep people at a distance.  You don't get close to anyone and you can't be hurt.   She let herself become vurnerable when she fell for Rick.   Now she learned the downside of being in love in the world they live in.

Just my take.

Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 08, 2017, 12:03:42 PM
Tuck,

Michonne's survival skill was to keep people at a distance.  You don't get close to anyone and you can't be hurt.   She let herself become vurnerable when she fell for Rick.   Now she learned the downside of being in love in the world they live in.

Just my take.

Rich,

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you implying Michonne wasn't close to her fiancee/husband when she cut off his arms and jaw and made him a "pet"? Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought her back story was she and her fiancee/husband - sorry, forget if she was married or not - were in a protected camp when people started to turn, her fiancee/husband got bit, and she did what she had to do to survive. Why would Rick's death, after she has been through so much, be more traumatic/immobilizing than that of her fiancee/husband? Why would anyone be so quick to not only forgive, but forget, Rick's huge mistake over the murder for hire plan? They HAVE to go to war to get themselves out of the mess Rick got them into! No murder for hire, no Negan. I'm not finding Michonne's nor our group's attitude towards Rick plausible at all. He s**t the bed and everyone - now that Spencer has been killed - seem to be perfectly okay with that? As much as Spencer was an a**, everything he said about Rick was true.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 08, 2017, 12:13:44 PM
Rich,

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you implying Michonne wasn't close to her fiancee/husband when she cut off his arms and jaw and made him a "pet"? Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought her back story was she and her fiancee/husband - sorry, forget if she was married or not - were in a protected camp when people started to turn, her fiancee/husband got bit, and she did what she had to do to survive. Why would Rick's death, after she has been through so much, be more traumatic/immobilizing than that of her fiancee/husband? Why would anyone be so quick to not only forgive, but forget, Rick's huge mistake over the murder for hire plan? They HAVE to go to war to get themselves out of the mess Rick got them into! No murder for hire, no Negan. I'm not finding Michonne's nor our group's attitude towards Rick plausible at all. He s**t the bed and everyone - now that Spencer has been killed - seem to be perfectly okay with that? As much as Spencer was an a**, everything he said about Rick was true.

She suffered a great tragedy and as a result she socially isolated herself.  As you pointed out she spent quite some time all alone.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 08, 2017, 02:38:57 PM
Tucker

 As we have said so many times, the way WE think about things has really no impact, as we have not been thru what these people have. We can only imagine.
So when you try and compare her feelings for Rick, opposed to her feelings for her husband, they are like apples and oranges. Mishonne watched her loved ones die, from something she knew nothing about. Now, after being a hardened person for say 2 years, she has dropped her guard for a short time to be able to feel love, or closeness with some one she cares about. It can't be easy to be so hard, and only trusting yourself, and then to ease up a bit and let some one in, to be close to. I would assume all the survivors who did lose loved ones, would want nothing better than to be able to feel love and closeness to some one else right about now. So Mishonne, all at once, thinks that her new thinking has abruptly come to an end when she thought Rick was being eaten. After all that time of fighting, she finally allows herself to be her old self, and then, in the flash of an eye, it may all be gone AGAIN. So why wouldn't she drop her sword in utter disbelief that her new love might be  gone.
I fully see your side, but I still believe her reaction to be believable.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 08, 2017, 03:36:54 PM
This link has the ratings of each show and who the writer was. Interesting to compare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_(season_7)#Episodes
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 08, 2017, 03:53:48 PM
Tucker

 As we have said so many times, the way WE think about things has really no impact, as we have not been thru what these people have. We can only imagine.
So when you try and compare her feelings for Rick, opposed to her feelings for her husband, they are like apples and oranges. Mishonne watched her loved ones die, from something she knew nothing about. Now, after being a hardened person for say 2 years, she has dropped her guard for a short time to be able to feel love, or closeness with some one she cares about. It can't be easy to be so hard, and only trusting yourself, and then to ease up a bit and let some one in, to be close to. I would assume all the survivors who did lose loved ones, would want nothing better than to be able to feel love and closeness to some one else right about now. So Mishonne, all at once, thinks that her new thinking has abruptly come to an end when she thought Rick was being eaten. After all that time of fighting, she finally allows herself to be her old self, and then, in the flash of an eye, it may all be gone AGAIN. So why wouldn't she drop her sword in utter disbelief that her new love might be  gone.
I fully see your side, but I still believe her reaction to be believable.

Lenn,

We actually do know a bit about how people react to severe trauma. Between our combat veterans, people who have survived genocide, victims of violent child abuse, etc., etc., we have a pretty firm knowledge of what PTSD and, more than likely, subsequent disassociation, looks like and how most people react to these kind of horrors. One of the symptoms of disassociation, which Michonne was the walking definition of in her "wilderness" days, is a sense of detachment from your emotions, or emotional numbness. This is to "protect" the mind from absorbing the full impact of the trauma. I would expect Michonne, based on all her past behaviors, to "shut down" her feelings at that moment and become a numbed out killing machine, Why drop your sword? If she was ready to give up on living, she was much weaker back at the camp when she turned her husband(?) into a "pet". She is a proven combat vet. Now, that does not mean she will not mourn. The loss will effect her profoundly and deeply. The shock will eventually fade and she will have to decide whether it is something she can deal with or not. But think of all the men and woman that have been in combat. What would happen if they all dropped their guns when one of their comrade in arms gets killed? Many combat vets describe it as the deepest bond they have ever known. Not surprising when you are totally dependent on others to survive and they are totally dependent on you. What we know of Michonne, and what we know of people that have faced trauma along the lines of what she has faced, dropping the sword isn't consistent with her zombie apocalypse personality. Not until all those that stole what she loved have paid for their transgression would she put down that sword. Rick's loss might break her, but that would happen after she had time to reflect, not in the heat of battle. Plus, long before one walker could even take a bite out of Rick, I still stand by there's no way they would have this kind of relationship when they never worked out Rick going against her wishes with the murder for hire fiasco. How can she forgive when there's been NO acknowledgement of the mistake? Rick even said he was upset because Glen saved him and he couldn't save Glen. Save Glen?!?!? Rick is the one that put Glen in harm's way!!! The way Rick could have saved Glen was if he listened to Glen, Michonne, and Morgan and NOT attacked the outpost!!!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 08, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Maybe, but even if they had not attacked the outpost, how long be fore t he Saviors would have come calling at Alexandria? In this post apocalyptic world, no one lives in peace for very long. The Wolves attacked Alexandria and before long, the saviors would have also. Their point is to dominate, so even if Rick listened, at some point down the line they would have had to face Negan and his crew.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 08, 2017, 11:45:14 PM
Maybe, but even if they had not attacked the outpost, how long be fore t he Saviors would have come calling at Alexandria? In this post apocalyptic world, no one lives in peace for very long. The Wolves attacked Alexandria and before long, the saviors would have also. Their point is to dominate, so even if Rick listened, at some point down the line they would have had to face Negan and his crew.

I agree 100%. Discovery was inevitable. Hell, the jerk who runs Hilltop might have drawn a map for the Saviors! But, if they are discovered, Rick is blameless. He didn't bring the Saviors down on Alexandria, it was just fate. Whoever died, from that moment on, died because of the Saviors, not because of Rick's plan.

Plus, given the fire power our group had, the lack of firepower the Saviors had vs numbers of men, and the fact that Alexandria was somewhat fortified, it is possible that Rick and the group would have been offered a significantly better deal by Negan than what they have now so Negan could avoid losing many men in a frontal assault. The Kingdom seems to have the best deal out of the three, even though they are the largest group, so it does seem like some terms can be arranged.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 09, 2017, 09:28:28 AM
Interesting how Negan doesn't take out the leaders of the Hilltop and the Kingdom and put his own person in place. Of course the reason is because their won't be any rebellion and they would work together very hard to keep everyone alive but it would expand his empire if he did do it. I wonder how many outposts he has.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 09, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Neagan is using the recipe for success that ancient Rome used.  Conquer but allow local leadership and tax heavily for the benefit of Rome

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 09, 2017, 10:58:36 AM
I agree 100%. Discovery was inevitable. Hell, the jerk who runs Hilltop might have drawn a map for the Saviors! But, if they are discovered, Rick is blameless. He didn't bring the Saviors down on Alexandria, it was just fate. Whoever died, from that moment on, died because of the Saviors, not because of Rick's plan.

Plus, given the fire power our group had, the lack of firepower the Saviors had vs numbers of men, and the fact that Alexandria was somewhat fortified, it is possible that Rick and the group would have been offered a significantly better deal by Negan than what they have now so Negan could avoid losing many men in a frontal assault. The Kingdom seems to have the best deal out of the three, even though they are the largest group, so it does seem like some terms can be arranged.

Since all this Negan/Saviors thing started, Rick giving up their weapons was the biggest disaster I could think of. As I said when it happened, Alexandria was well fortified and they had a stockpile of weapons including rocket launchers. Giving all that to an enemy was just ridiculous. For THAT, I do blame Rick.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 10, 2017, 06:53:44 AM
being a sci fi show there really hasn't been a lot of things that have happened that bugged me. One scenario that did was when Negan showed up for the weapons cache, we never saw it but  they talked about a leger and how there was a glock model 26 {I think that's what it was cuz they said 9mm} and a beretta "bobcat' real little pistol, ,.22 or .25. Now why did they own up to having the ledger and why didn't they stash say half the AKs and ARs?
 Come on, traumatized or not, who is so stupid they don't know the history of "governments" confiscating weapons from the "people"? and Rick was a cop!
 I just didn't go along with that big time. Rick and the group KNOW that without weapons you're xxxx outta luck in that world. UNLESS they stashed some in Maggie's phoney grave, maybe?
 Sorry that really bugs me.
 Oh by the way, did you know there is a website, its kept up to date, at east it was, called 'the weapons of the walking dead" that lists every weapon seen on screen? Its pretty cool, even if there are a LOT of weapons that have been mysteriously converted to full automatic somehow, certainly more then one would expect like the governors "steyr" I believe its called. I had spotted it buy when they had the fire trucj Maggie had a Russian ww1 and ww2 bolt action "mosin nagant"? I had spotted that at the time.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 13, 2017, 02:51:22 PM
I liked this episode a lot. As I said, maybe  2 pages back, what would get King Ezekiel and The Kingdom involved with Rick, was the death of some one close, most likely Benjamin. BAM. Right on the nose and no cheating  :laugh: :laugh:

So what does Morgan do, take revenge on the Saviors, no, he kills Richard with his bare hands. I love it.
Carol is now in the know and I'm sure, primed for battle, Morgan seems to have come around and King Ezekiel will be ready also. The battle is shaping up but will it be this season with only 3 episodes left. I doubt it. There is still so much they need to cover with the guns, the Oceansiders, Eugene and his role, Maggie and her role.
(I don't think we have seen Maggie or Carl since the first episode).
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 13, 2017, 04:52:15 PM
The battle may be the next season opener.


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 13, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
oh undoubtably Vette.
 It was like you knew the final show of the season was going to be a skirmish, a shoot out that will leave us waiting for season 8
 I think last nights episode was the best of the whole season. Great to see the group lining up , even Morgan back to warrior status after have a almost psychological breakdown, Carol back to warrior princess.
 tripping over that big supply stash was a bit too convient but ok, we have to accept a little bit of showmanship.. I have to be even more diligent about NOT reading the comments on TREVs CHANNEL 2....Thats a GREAT utube channel on TWD.
 So what did all you guys think? good episode? Best of the year? 2nd best?
 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 13, 2017, 08:44:59 PM
Good episode. Actually I liked the Eugene episode a lot. Hey do you think anyone was smart enough to bury guns and rocket launchers in Maggie's grave? Someone mentioned it. I can't see them being stupid enough to hand them all over.


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 13, 2017, 09:48:19 PM
Good episode. Actually I liked the Eugene episode a lot. Hey do you think anyone was smart enough to bury guns and rocket launchers in Maggie's grave? Someone mentioned it. I can't see them being stupid enough to hand them all over.


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Don't know, I've seen some pretty stupid things done, on this show, some really stupid things.  :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 14, 2017, 03:11:08 AM
Good episode. Actually I liked the Eugene episode a lot. Hey do you think anyone was smart enough to bury guns and rocket launchers in Maggie's grave? Someone mentioned it. I can't see them being stupid enough to hand them all over.


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Per Negan, they got every gun on the list. So, one has to assume that any gun they get, they will have take from someone else.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 14, 2017, 03:49:20 AM
I think there's so many plot holes and trying to fill them in - illogically - is just being sloppy. Richard had set up Carol. Daryl doesn't warn Morgan about that? C'mon! He doesn't tell Carol that Richard is a threat? How does everyone get out of the truck, start marching towards the grocery carts, and Richard - while calling out orders - turns around, goes back to the truck, and gets the melon? When someone is walking behind you, it's difficult to hear them unless they yell, Your ears face forward for a reason. The moment Richard turns to get back to the truck, his voice would change so dramatically, that certainly someone would have turned around to see why there was a huge shift in volume and tone. Remember, Richard is the only one who knows this is NOT a setup or a trap. Everyone else would have their adrenal glands going into overdrive. Absolutely NO question you're checking your six. You have that gun up and you're taking a 360 view because there are stores and cars everywhere. The threat could come from any direction. And Richard places the melon under a box in the road? Never tries to go back to destroy the evidence? And, amazingly, that's the box Morgan kicks? As I said before, I understand it's science fiction and we need to suspend belief. I'm not looking for perfection. But show some craftsmanship when writing the script and not make things so damn convenient. Give us something reasonably intelligent. I feel like the fans extremely upset reactions to the episode where Glen and Abraham died has negatively influenced the script writing into being vanilla and simplistic. They tried to get "real" and people freaked out. So, let's craft a fairytale land where no one holds Rick accountable, he's sleeping with the woman who warned him not to go "murder for hire", and let's kill the kid to make sure the Kingdom joins the fight. So,what if it doesn't make any sense and bears no resemblance to how things would go in real life? The fans want a war and we're running out of episodes to assemble the "cavalry" to come to rescue! Man, I'm starting to root for Negan! At least, he's somewhat believable. But his survival would mean repercussions from the attack on the group and that would traumatize the fan base, so, of course, he must die at Rick's hand,or Carol's, Carl's, Daryl's, Maggie's, or- what drama - Morgan. I'm guessing we will also see the Savior that killed Benjamin, about to kill the king when the CGI tiger attacks and fishes him off. That will have twitter humming all night long. I feel like if they had just edited that shot of Glen's eye bulging out, the outcry would have been significantly less, and the writing would be tighter. But, ratings is what pays the bills, so gotta give the fans what they want.  :surrender:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 14, 2017, 10:19:08 AM
I think there's so many plot holes and trying to fill them in - illogically - is just being sloppy. Richard had set up Carol. Daryl doesn't warn Morgan about that? C'mon! He doesn't tell Carol that Richard is a threat? How does everyone get out of the truck, start marching towards the grocery carts, and Richard - while calling out orders - turns around, goes back to the truck, and gets the melon? When someone is walking behind you, it's difficult to hear them unless they yell, Your ears face forward for a reason. The moment Richard turns to get back to the truck, his voice would change so dramatically, that certainly someone would have turned around to see why there was a huge shift in volume and tone. Remember, Richard is the only one who knows this is NOT a setup or a trap. Everyone else would have their adrenal glands going into overdrive. Absolutely NO question you're checking your six. You have that gun up and you're taking a 360 view because there are stores and cars everywhere. The threat could come from any direction. And Richard places the melon under a box in the road? Never tries to go back to destroy the evidence? And, amazingly, that's the box Morgan kicks? As I said before, I understand it's science fiction and we need to suspend belief. I'm not looking for perfection. But show some craftsmanship when writing the script and not make things so damn convenient. Give us something reasonably intelligent. I feel like the fans extremely upset reactions to the episode where Glen and Abraham died has negatively influenced the script writing into being vanilla and simplistic. They tried to get "real" and people freaked out. So, let's craft a fairytale land where no one holds Rick accountable, he's sleeping with the woman who warned him not to go "murder for hire", and let's kill the kid to make sure the Kingdom joins the fight. So,what if it doesn't make any sense and bears no resemblance to how things would go in real life? The fans want a war and we're running out of episodes to assemble the "cavalry" to come to rescue! Man, I'm starting to root for Negan! At least, he's somewhat believable. But his survival would mean repercussions from the attack on the group and that would traumatize the fan base, so, of course, he must die at Rick's hand,or Carol's, Carl's, Daryl's, Maggie's, or- what drama - Morgan. I'm guessing we will also see the Savior that killed Benjamin, about to kill the king when the CGI tiger attacks and fishes him off. That will have twitter humming all night long. I feel like if they had just edited that shot of Glen's eye bulging out, the outcry would have been significantly less, and the writing would be tighter. But, ratings is what pays the bills, so gotta give the fans what they want.  :surrender:

I don't know Tucker. As I said, I kinda liked this episode and you know what, if that tiger did 'eat' the guy that shot Benjamin, it would make me very happy.  :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

Sorry.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 14, 2017, 03:22:35 PM
I don't know Tucker. As I said, I kinda liked this episode and you know what, if that tiger did 'eat' the guy that shot Benjamin, it would make me very happy.  :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

Sorry.  ;) ;) ;)

They would have loved you in ancient Rome, Lenn. Hopefully, you would have had season tickets, front row seats!!! Wonder if it would feel strange wearing a Lion's jersey, even though Detroit didn't exist yet?  ;)  :P
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 14, 2017, 03:51:00 PM
I don't know about that. Now if those lions were going to eat Saviors, yes, I would love a front row seat, even a cool beverage also.  :yes: :yes: :yes:
But if it were two gladiators fighting it out, YOU BET. Where do I sign up.    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 15, 2017, 02:50:56 PM
What Carol is planning now

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 15, 2017, 08:01:59 PM
whats the saying about? Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned? Negan and his cohorts better watch their asses if they run into a Carol scorned, thats for sure
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 20, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
well we KNOW you cant assassinate Negan so someones gonna get bumped off for the season finale would be my guess.
 Pretty good episode last night, now when they gonna go liberate that group living by cheseapeak bay? plus they have a arsenal.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on March 20, 2017, 09:07:57 PM
I thought this was mostly a letdown episode, and I remain frustrated in this series, (but I still watch). First off, I don't understand *at all* the Rosita/Sasha thing. Their plan made no sense, as did the fact that their "plan" didn't even really even have any plan to it. I guess if Rick and everybody were still saying they had no intention to go after Negan, then perhaps Rosita and Sasha's mission would have made some sense, (although still very unlikely to succeed). But Rosita and Sasha both knew that Rick and everybody is going to attack Negan. So why did they really need to jump the gun so close to a legit counterattack being launched? It's not only selfish it's dumb.

The underlying idea makes no sense, and their lack of planning or ability makes the whole thing laughable. They sneak out of the Hilltop, start trying to hotwire some cars, and only then do they start discussing even the basics of what they plan to do? Really?

And it's a big deal they aren't telling Maggie. Why? The writers haven't provided any logical reason for Sasha and Rosita to do what they're doing, so why should we even care if they let Maggie know or not. I guess I'm glad they didn't, because then we'd just get a third person involved in a stupid idea.

They've been doing dumb, illogical stuff on this show for years, and what really frustrates me is when the writers clearly want us to *feel* for these characters, even when they do dumb selfish stuff. This weird thing people do on this show is where they're kind of selfishly selfless and just want to sacrifice themselves for no good reason. It really tends to get old and is unrealistic, and it doesn't help to build interesting characters.

But.......I will say that the "Vegetables - say the whole word, we have time..." guy delivered one of the best lines on this show in YEARS, and perhaps ever. An instant classic.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 20, 2017, 09:29:53 PM
While I don't think this was a 'classic' episode, it was OL. Steve, trying to make this sensible would defy anything we have ever watched on TV. It is fiction and it is from a comic book series. It is entertainment, and I feel it is still entertaining me, so I want more and more. You can take most series and find fault with it. If we took the time to analysis Breaking Bad, maybe the best TV show ever, we could find many silly and stupid things the writers made Jessie and Walt do. We just ahve to sit back and let it happen, suspend reality,a s this show is just not a reality show.

I have a short memory, but do Rosita and Sasha really know what Rick is planning. Has he made his intentions known to the entire group? But I do understand the girls need to want their own vengeance on Negan. Rosita was in love with Abraham and he was killed, so her Latin temperament wants to extract her own vengeance. Pausable--maybe, entertaining, I think so.

For me, I really don't think Sasha is going to get all the way to Negan and kill him. She may be doomed. I kind of figured Eugene becoming a turncoat now, as he has an important 'job' as part of the Saviors, but I do believe if he is pushed to a certain extreme, he will revert back. Like if Sasha is caught and he has the ability to help her, I believe he will.

What I don't get is we keep getting bits and pieces of Jesus, and we like what we see, yet he continues to remain in the background , even though his character could be a winner. Why they don't sort of 'promote' him to 'star' status, I don't know,

Did I miss something or did he admit he was gay? Didn't he say something like he has boyfriends?

Over all, as I said, not the best episode, but it still piques my interest enough to want more. I agree with Weeze that there will be no battle this season, but maybe the opener next year.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 20, 2017, 09:55:55 PM
I thought this was mostly a letdown episode, and I remain frustrated in this series, (but I still watch). First off, I don't understand *at all* the Rosita/Sasha thing. Their plan made no sense, as did the fact that their "plan" didn't even really even have any plan to it. I guess if Rick and everybody were still saying they had no intention to go after Negan, then perhaps Rosita and Sasha's mission would have made some sense, (although still very unlikely to succeed). But Rosita and Sasha both knew that Rick and everybody is going to attack Negan. So why did they really need to jump the gun so close to a legit counterattack being launched? It's not only selfish it's dumb.

The underlying idea makes no sense, and their lack of planning or ability makes the whole thing laughable. They sneak out of the Hilltop, start trying to hotwire some cars, and only then do they start discussing even the basics of what they plan to do? Really?

And it's a big deal they aren't telling Maggie. Why? The writers haven't provided any logical reason for Sasha and Rosita to do what they're doing, so why should we even care if they let Maggie know or not. I guess I'm glad they didn't, because then we'd just get a third person involved in a stupid idea.

They've been doing dumb, illogical stuff on this show for years, and what really frustrates me is when the writers clearly want us to *feel* for these characters, even when they do dumb selfish stuff. This weird thing people do on this show is where they're kind of selfishly selfless and just want to sacrifice themselves for no good reason. It really tends to get old and is unrealistic, and it doesn't help to build interesting characters.

But.......I will say that the "Vegetables - say the whole word, we have time..." guy delivered one of the best lines on this show in YEARS, and perhaps ever. An instant classic.
They're idiots, that's why.


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 20, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
The cast is outstanding and they do a superb job with their roles.


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 21, 2017, 09:35:53 AM
I thought this was mostly a letdown episode, and I remain frustrated in this series, (but I still watch). First off, I don't understand *at all* the Rosita/Sasha thing. Their plan made no sense, as did the fact that their "plan" didn't even really even have any plan to it. I guess if Rick and everybody were still saying they had no intention to go after Negan, then perhaps Rosita and Sasha's mission would have made some sense, (although still very unlikely to succeed). But Rosita and Sasha both knew that Rick and everybody is going to attack Negan. So why did they really need to jump the gun so close to a legit counterattack being launched? It's not only selfish it's dumb.

The underlying idea makes no sense, and their lack of planning or ability makes the whole thing laughable. They sneak out of the Hilltop, start trying to hotwire some cars, and only then do they start discussing even the basics of what they plan to do? Really?

And it's a big deal they aren't telling Maggie. Why? The writers haven't provided any logical reason for Sasha and Rosita to do what they're doing, so why should we even care if they let Maggie know or not. I guess I'm glad they didn't, because then we'd just get a third person involved in a stupid idea.

They've been doing dumb, illogical stuff on this show for years, and what really frustrates me is when the writers clearly want us to *feel* for these characters, even when they do dumb selfish stuff. This weird thing people do on this show is where they're kind of selfishly selfless and just want to sacrifice themselves for no good reason. It really tends to get old and is unrealistic, and it doesn't help to build interesting characters.

But.......I will say that the "Vegetables - say the whole word, we have time..." guy delivered one of the best lines on this show in YEARS, and perhaps ever. An instant classic.

THANK YOU!!!!!  :ok:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 21, 2017, 10:07:21 AM
They're idiots, that's why.


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Did you watch the episode Ed? Because there was a long dialogue explaining how Rosita hated not being to take care of herself in this new world. So, she went from man to man, picking up whatever survival skills he happened to be well versed in, until she was better at it than he was. She made herself into the ultimate apocalypse survivor. Why would any show give such a backstory to an "idiot'? Maybe the problem is NOT that the characters have been written to come across as "idiots", thus making this suicide mission more understandable, but rather that the writers have taken so many shortcuts, told so many contradictions, and - to be honest - had to deal with withering repercussions from an opening episode that was, in fact, gore filled, but also more true to the world our characters inhabit than any episode since. Bad writing doesn't make a character an "idiot". It does call into question how closely the audience has been watching since the characters first appeared. Sasha and Rosita idiots? Sure, if you want to discount every episode that they appeared in before this one. Then it makes perfect sense. Otherwise, find fault with those that wrote a script that simply makes little to no sense based on everything that has gone on before.

Also, pre-Neegan, Sasha had to be all but dragged down from the Alexandria tower, she was so determined to protect the group. So, now, even though she believes that Maggie is "the future" of Hilltop, she assigns Maggie's protection to a teen that has shown herself to disappear at the first sign of trouble? That same teen, remarkably, Sasha also believes to the future of Hilltop? Two such critical women and, yet, Sasha decides this is the opportune time to go on a suicide mission? Sasha discusses, very sensibly, taking Neegan out from a sniper position, but completely abandons the idea when the FIRST time Neegan comes outside, she doesn't have a clean shot?(which she actually did - bad editing!) Sasha and Rosita are sheltered, face no danger from walkers, and Sasha gives up after one try? Why would Sasha give up the high ground when there was no threat forcing the women to leave that spot?   ~X( ~X( ~X(
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on March 21, 2017, 02:26:16 PM
I think the most interesting thing was Eugene's reaction to a rescue attempt.  I think he is the ultimate pragmatists and he saw that under Neagan he could enjoy safety, have a level of authority and enjoy perhaps the best he could hope for in terms of creature comforts.  While Rick's group may be slightly better in terms of morals, they didn't have anything near what Neagan could offer. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 21, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
I think the most interesting thing was Eugene's reaction to a rescue attempt.  I think he is the ultimate pragmatists and he saw that under Neagan he could enjoy safety, have a level of authority and enjoy perhaps the best he could hope for in terms of creature comforts.  While Rick's group may be slightly better in terms of morals, they didn't have anything near what Neagan could offer.

A sad reality is that those who were bullied - for whatever reason - can become horrific bullies themselves when thrust into power. Whether it is intentional on part of the writers, or not, I find it interesting that Eugene "Neegan" struts the yard barking orders with his stuffed animal always by his side. The tough facade betrayed by the little child's need for his security blanket. When you are made to feel powerless, for so long, being given power can feel absolutely liberating and intoxicating. It becomes all too easy to abuse it. Not that it excuses the monster he became, but Stalin was bullied by family, "friends", and the state long before he became one of history's worse dictators.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 21, 2017, 04:22:10 PM

Did I miss something or did he admit he was gay? Didn't he say something like he has boyfriends?


I thought he said boyfriends, as well, Lenn. Unfortunately, I dvr'd the episode and my recording seemed to have a bit of an audio dropout during that scene. If I had to bet, I would bet "boyfriends", but I can't say with 100% certainty.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 21, 2017, 05:48:57 PM
I thought he said boyfriends, as well, Lenn. Unfortunately, I dvr'd the episode and my recording seemed to have a bit of an audio dropout during that scene. If I had to bet, I would bet "boyfriends", but I can't say with 100% certainty.

After watching the Talking Dead, he did, in fact, admit to being gay and having boyfriends.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 21, 2017, 05:58:11 PM
I mean this with no disrespect because everyone here is my friend. But  each week I come here and find that some just aren't enjoying this series the way I, and others, are, so why are you watching?
Personally, as I said in a prior post, this isn't a reality show. Writers are writing for what they feel the majority of people MIGHT like. If we want to nitpick every line in every scene, we can do that with EVERY TV show ever made. Breaking Bad, which I consider the best written show ever on TV, had many writing blimps and every show wasn't a gem, but overall it was exciting,. well written  and though provoking. I feel the same way about TWD. Every show can't be a giant winner, but if we are going to nit pick every character and every line, why bother to watch. They are following a comic book for gosh sake.
I feel the series is still exciting, still very much well written and superbly acted. Gosh, the scene with Daryl and Maggie was just great on all accounts, acting, writing, and right to the point.
Sure there are things that maybe we might have liked to see go a different way, and the writers can't make every episode a 10, but overall, we are watching, we are talking about it, and we can't wait for the next episode. If that isn't good enough why bother to watch?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 21, 2017, 06:37:29 PM
I mean this with no disrespect because everyone here is my friend. But  each week I come here and find that some just aren't enjoying this series the way I, and others, are, so why are you watching?
Personally, as I said in a prior post, this isn't a reality show. Writers are writing for what they feel the majority of people MIGHT like. If we want to nitpick every line in every scene, we can do that with EVERY TV show ever made. Breaking Bad, which I consider the best written show ever on TV, had many writing blimps and every show wasn't a gem, but overall it was exciting,. well written  and though provoking. I feel the same way about TWD. Every show can't be a giant winner, but if we are going to nit pick every character and every line, why bother to watch. They are following a comic book for gosh sake.
I feel the series is still exciting, still very much well written and superbly acted. Gosh, the scene with Daryl and Maggie was just great on all accounts, acting, writing, and right to the point.
Sure there are things that maybe we might have liked to see go a different way, and the writers can't make every episode a 10, but overall, we are watching, we are talking about it, and we can't wait for the next episode. If that isn't good enough why bother to watch?

I think I have addressed that numerous times, Lenn. When the show is done well, it is a lot of fun and engaging. And we are hardly nitpicking over every line. We are pointing out plot flaws you could drive a convoy of trucks through. If I was remarking that Rosita was trying to cross the wrong wires when hot-wiring a car, your criticism would be valid. What I am pointing out is how does one rationalize extremely intelligent, competent, and proven survivors, such as Sasha and Rosita, doing something so irrational and w/o any planning whatsoever? Sasha practically lived in the Alexandria tower because she understood it's strategic advantage. Here, she has an even better strategic advantage and she throws it away. Why? What would prompt such an irrational decision? The writers give us no explanation at all. I gave up on the spinoff show because I felt the plot line and the characters were insulting to my intelligence - which I consider a pretty low bar, btw.  ;) I hope I don't reach that point here, but I am starting to think I might. I am beginning to feel like the show "jumped the shark" after the opening episode drew such criticism and the ratings tanked. It left, imho, the writers scrambling to give the audience the happy ever after ending they apparently crave. Since the show is taped in advance, reasonable scripts, that would have shown intelligent plot lines, had to be abandoned at the last minute to try to "catch up" with audience demands that zombie apocalypse be somewhat "sanitized" for their heroes.
Title: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 21, 2017, 11:11:43 PM
Did you watch the episode Ed? Because there was a long dialogue explaining how Rosita hated not being to take care of herself in this new world. So, she went from man to man, picking up whatever survival skills he happened to be well versed in, until she was better at it than he was. She made herself into the ultimate apocalypse survivor. Why would any show give such a backstory to an "idiot'? Maybe the problem is NOT that the characters have been written to come across as "idiots", thus making this suicide mission more understandable, but rather that the writers have taken so many shortcuts, told so many contradictions, and - to be honest - had to deal with withering repercussions from an opening episode that was, in fact, gore filled, but also more true to the world our characters inhabit than any episode since. Bad writing doesn't make a character an "idiot". It does call into question how closely the audience has been watching since the characters first appeared. Sasha and Rosita idiots? Sure, if you want to discount every episode that they appeared in before this one. Then it makes perfect sense. Otherwise, find fault with those that wrote a script that simply makes little to no sense based on everything that has gone on before.

Also, pre-Neegan, Sasha had to be all but dragged down from the Alexandria tower, she was so determined to protect the group. So, now, even though she believes that Maggie is "the future" of Hilltop, she assigns Maggie's protection to a teen that has shown herself to disappear at the first sign of trouble? That same teen, remarkably, Sasha also believes to the future of Hilltop? Two such critical women and, yet, Sasha decides this is the opportune time to go on a suicide mission? Sasha discusses, very sensibly, taking Neegan out from a sniper position, but completely abandons the idea when the FIRST time Neegan comes outside, she doesn't have a clean shot?(which she actually did - bad editing!) Sasha and Rosita are sheltered, face no danger from walkers, and Sasha gives up after one try? Why would Sasha give up the high ground when there was no threat forcing the women to leave that spot?   ~X( ~X( ~X(

They know there is a plan in place to be prepared to get this done right. Instead they decide to take matters into their own hands because they have a vendetta to serve. Putting not only themselves in danger but others as well. If they succeed, someone else takes over and people die. If they fail, people die. The idiot Rosita failed once already and got someone killed and got Eugene taken away. Eugene is smart enough to know they would be hunted down and he would have to live in fear and that others would die if he escaped leaving a dead body.

You're right, Rick is no leader. Negan is a leader. He delegates and stays on top of everything and keeps everyone close to the vest. Rick leaves and doesn't control the soldiers to go on a honeymoon while searching for guns. Meanwhile the group gets fragmented and other agendas get served. They need to all be on the same page.

Tuck, if I were Rick, I would know what these two had planned and if they decided to be loose cannons after a serious sit down, I would have to put a bullet in their heads because they are a serious liability and put others in grave danger. Unless another alternative could be figured out other than locking them in a room. Kicking them out would still lead to consequences.

I have no confidence in these fragmented groups forming an alliance with each having their own needs to be served and not knowing how many outposts they have. Each leader is uncontrollable and Rick is hoping for cooperation. He's not the head.




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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on March 22, 2017, 12:36:02 AM
I mean this with no disrespect because everyone here is my friend. But  each week I come here and find that some just aren't enjoying this series the way I, and others, are, so why are you watching?
Personally, as I said in a prior post, this isn't a reality show. Writers are writing for what they feel the majority of people MIGHT like. If we want to nitpick every line in every scene, we can do that with EVERY TV show ever made. Breaking Bad, which I consider the best written show ever on TV, had many writing blimps and every show wasn't a gem, but overall it was exciting,. well written  and though provoking. I feel the same way about TWD. Every show can't be a giant winner, but if we are going to nit pick every character and every line, why bother to watch. They are following a comic book for gosh sake.
I feel the series is still exciting, still very much well written and superbly acted. Gosh, the scene with Daryl and Maggie was just great on all accounts, acting, writing, and right to the point.
Sure there are things that maybe we might have liked to see go a different way, and the writers can't make every episode a 10, but overall, we are watching, we are talking about it, and we can't wait for the next episode. If that isn't good enough why bother to watch?

Lenn, I hear what you're saying, but I just don't consider it nitpicking when the writers are so obviously being lazy and taking shortcuts. It too often looks patchy and thrown together as if the writer's didn't give a **** about what the viewers might think. For that reason I just can't invest myself in the characters as deeply as I'd like. I've been watching this series from the beginning, (unlike Fear the Walking Dead which I bailed on pretty early), so I do like it at some level. Interesting that you bring up Breaking Bad, another fictional series, which I would agree is one of the, if not the, best series ever. But even though that show often put the characters in quite unbelievable situations, I cared more about it, as well as the characters. I think it's because the show was so well written, and the acting so top notch, that I became emotionally invested in almost every character, every plot twist. That show never wasted anything...dialog, acting, plot, color/shading, sound, etc. Everything was perfectly thought out. Perhaps too high a standard by which to compare other shows, (except maybe Better Call Saul  ;) ). I guess bottom line, I loved Breaking Bad, I enjoy The Walking Dead when it's at its best, but all too often I do get frustrated when when I see so many missed opportunities along the way. I keep watching though.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 22, 2017, 08:06:38 AM
Lenn, I hear what you're saying, but I just don't consider it nitpicking when the writers are so obviously being lazy and taking shortcuts. It too often looks patchy and thrown together as if the writer's didn't give a **** about what the viewers might think. For that reason I just can't invest myself in the characters as deeply as I'd like. I've been watching this series from the beginning, (unlike Fear the Walking Dead which I bailed on pretty early), so I do like it at some level. Interesting that you bring up Breaking Bad, another fictional series, which I would agree is one of the, if not the, best series ever. But even though that show often put the characters in quite unbelievable situations, I cared more about it, as well as the characters. I think it's because the show was so well written, and the acting so top notch, that I became emotionally invested in almost every character, every plot twist. That show never wasted anything...dialog, acting, plot, color/shading, sound, etc. Everything was perfectly thought out. Perhaps too high a standard by which to compare other shows, (except maybe Better Call Saul  ;) ). I guess bottom line, I loved Breaking Bad, I enjoy The Walking Dead when it's at its best, but all too often I do get frustrated when when I see so many missed opportunities along the way. I keep watching though.

I've never read the comic so I wouldn't know how this show is tied into it. Perhaps that is why things don't seem to fit well, are incomplete or fail to make sense. It's almost as if they know where they want to get to in a conclusion and then force things into the package to get there. It makes no logical sense that these groups so fragmented and enigmatic will be able to pull together to take down a fairly well organized machine. It looks as though they will do it by script and forced into a package to get it done. It's a matter of suspending reality further to continue to enjoy the show.

I think people watch this show for different reasons. Someone added me to a very large Facebook group called the Talking Dead Club with over 53,000 members. Some watch it for the gore, some for the action, some because of their love for the characters and watch it for the personal storyline and the character development. It's about the human struggle and man's inhumanity against man in an outrageous setting where law and rules don't exist so everyone has to figure out and then redefine who they are and how they decide to live life on their terms.

After this season's opening premier there was a drop in the ratings and the producers and writers reacted with a reversal from the direction they were taking things. Fans were depressed and they felt they had to tone it down. I think it's this and trying to stay somewhat close to the comic line has resulted in some questionable writing. The actors and actresses and the special effects/stunt and makeup team are holding the show together right now. As I see it.

I think they failed to get into the storyline of some of these characters and groups to bring them closer to the plot. More flashbacks into how they were started or in previous lives. All these groups are so close in proximity with a limited amount of supplies feeding off each other just doesn't seem believable that it took so long to discover each other. None of these groups have formed any type of organized government with a constitution and laws and a plan for the future. That perhaps would kill the show and 53,000 people wouldn't be posting on a Facebook group about who should die first or who you hate more or who's group you would join or if Michonne and Rick make a good couple. Some of these people are outrageous fanatics.

The more reasonable fans like us seem to watch the show because of a connection to the characters. Maybe that's why you still hang in there even though you feel the show insults your intelligence. Sorry for the long post and the rambling.     
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 23, 2017, 03:36:03 AM
I think you're spot on, Ed. As I said before, I can't help but wonder would we be having this same discussion if they edited out the scene where Glen's eyeball was hanging out. I tend to think not. Rating is everything and I cannot blame the producers for being hypersensitive to it. A ratings plunge can, and often does, spell a show's death. Sometimes you find another show and you're fine. Sometimes you don't. It's not unheard of in television for someone being on top of the food chain one year and struggling to find work the next. Does Scott Gimble or Greg Nicotero find another gig after this show? Maybe, maybe not. Shooting in Georgia saves them money but it's no help in networking for your next job. Is Greg Nicotero going to be the head of makeup for CNN or the Weather Channel? That's what's down there. There's certainly no guarantee that he can/will make the jump into films.
These guys are keenly aware that they are riding a phenomenon. They also know that if the fans turn on them, it's over. I think we are witnessing the "cleanup" from Glen's eye. It's a shame, but we have seen in almost all walks of life, the way to fame and fortune in America today is appealing to the lowest common denominator. Chris Hartwick talks all the time on the Talking Dead about these people that can't seem to differentiate between the actor and the character they play. That's what gets to dictate what we get to see on TV. Our foundering fathers were afraid of the power of the mob. If only they knew...
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 23, 2017, 07:45:15 AM
I cant give a response cuz it would take too long to type.
Personally I live by "sic semper tyrannis" which Im sure you all know where I get that from. Seems proper considering where they are.  If it was me I'd try and assassinate negan. Lets remember that Sasha can shoot the eye out of a fly at a1000 yds with the proper weapon. she used to pop them from the belfry in alexandria.
 It fun to watch you guys go back and forth on your opinions on the show, fact is tho, we all watch it cuz its the best show on TV , at least I think it is bar none.
 Oh and they are currently filming a sequel to SONS OF ANARCHY about the Mayans with james olmos {?} as the leader. kid you not
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 23, 2017, 02:10:03 PM

Lets remember that Sasha can shoot the eye out of a fly at a1000 yds with the proper weapon. she used to pop them from the belfry in alexandria.
 

Which, as I stated before, begs the question of why she gave up a sheltered and secure sniper position to do a full frontal assault/suicide mission? Weeze, as a man who clearly knows his way around guns, does Sasha's behavior make any sense at all given her past behavior and attitude towards guns and killing? If she "used to pop them from the belfry", then why didn't she simply wait for the "clean shot"? She had position! She is armed for a sniper mission. Not close quarter combat!

To demonstrate how easy it would be to fix this - Imagine if you will... Sasha had that piece of jewelry that Rosita made for Abraham hanging out front, because it slid from under her shirt when she leaned down to get the gun. Neegan sees a flash of light from the window and instructs his men to check it out. Their position compromised, Sasha and Rosita have to make a run for a hiding spot until the search is over and then they make their attack! So, a few additional lines in the script and you have plausibility for Sasha's behavior. But, without it, you have none. Whether you chose to call it lazy, sloppy, or just plain bad writing, we now have a character that is acting completely out of character when she did not need to be.  ~X(
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 23, 2017, 03:23:56 PM
oh I completely agree bout why youd jump the fence when you a nice 30.06 with a kick ass scope versus hanging out and shooting from a distance. Her hopping the fence was I believe a set up for the seasons finale, SASHA is NOT gonna make it.
 But really, if you wanted to kill negan you could've stocked up the building at Alexandria with weapons [when you get them}, wait for negan and crew to come vist and shoot the whole lot of them. guess tht doesn't elongate the story.
 I doubt very much negans is gonna get killed anytime soon. I think hes good for a whole season at lest more.
 Tiy kill Negan and there is gonna be a revolt amongst the masses in negan land , theres a lot of people there that would prefer a less , whats the word, oppressive regime.
 I still think the show is the best on TV, way better then anything else ive seen, Its weird , TV has pretty much sucked for a long time, and then starting with the SOPRANOS, intelligent shows, ones that get people like us to discuss them?, are getting more common.
 BLACK SAILS is almost done and man, its gotten so confusing. I mean really. HELL ON WHEELS ended, I liked that one a lot. I was never a fan of BREAKING BAD but its spinoff is still around.
 still these shows are so much better then the never ending stupid sit-coms, cop, and hospital shows since the end of the 60s.
 just my 2 cents.
 still love me some WALKING DEAD
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 24, 2017, 03:05:03 PM
Sorry I haven't been able to answer some of the excellent replies, been away for a couple of days.

As I said, I meant no disrespect in what I said last time. I'd be the first to agree that the writing hasn't been what it has been in the past. Maybe it is a fallout from the opening episode of the season, or just people are starting to tire of the show in general. We have had years when we have gone thru these 'slow' periods, mainly character development, like when the group was split up after the prison was destroyed. We spent an entire year then just watching bits and pieces of stuff but nothing to really sink your teeth into. I know I was bored to death on some of those shows.

I. like Weeze, will not stop watching the show because I still find even the 'slow' episodes, so much better than ,many of the things that are on TV these days, so it really doesn't get me upset.

I agree and that Sasha never should have given up her high position to do a one women charge into the Savior camp. It is stupid (but so was the Charge of the Light Brigade). All she needed to do was wait, maybe another day. And I also agree that the Carnival theme was utterly stupid, as we still don't know why or where the military men were there for? What I may disagree 'some' is that we sit here and criticize Rick for not doing this or that, like him giving up all the guns to the Saviors, but isn't that sort of like criticizing Eli for make a dumb pass while he is under a full blitz? It's easy to criticize from the sidelines as we never walked in Rick's shoes or even know what may go on in any of these 'survivor's' minds. I tried. I think Rick witnessed the death of 2 of his close friends. They were just not killed but annihilated. He had to beg to save his son's arm, his son who is already blinded in one eye and has already been shot once. How can we say he didn't act logically, when we have never been thru what he has been thru, what any of these guys have been thru. Look, Carol killed two people 'in her own group' because she thought something was amiss. Was that logical? I also watch and say, why the F**k did he/she/they do that? Just stupidity. but I also say the same thing while watching football games. That's just human nature--brain farts or whatever.

Again, I do think the writing isn't as good as it could be and characters do silly or stupid things, but overall it is still a well written show. The scene between Daryl and Maggie, where he cries to her for some sort of forgiveness--was that not well written, well acted and really some of the best stuff I have seen on this show in a long time?.  Even the way Morgan killed Richard, with his bare hands, showed lots of emotion and you could feel the hate just oozing out of him. But then again, why didn't anyone try and stop him. Richard was one of King Ezekiel's upper echelon men, yet when Morgan is killing Richard, which must have went on for a good 2-3 minutes, not one person tried to even intercede--WHY???

This season the ratings have dipped, dramatically. Personally they need more of Negan on the screen. He is the one dynamic character right now, and what have we seen of him this 1/2 season, one full time and maybe a glimpse here and there? He really needs to be in most episodes. What I see as wrong this season, is not so much the writing, is that the group is spread too thin. Some of our favorite characters sort of disappear for weeks on end. When the group is together and most characters are in most of the shows, the story is much better. We lose track of what each section is doing. And I just do not understand why they do not make better use if Jesus. He could really contribute to the show, yet he continues to be basically a back ground guy.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on March 26, 2017, 04:20:37 PM
think I rather watch a rerun of a "bad" WD episode then a "good" syndicated prime time show anytime!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on March 26, 2017, 05:59:47 PM
think I rather watch a rerun of a "bad" WD episode then a "good" syndicated prime time show anytime!

I think I'd agree Weeze. But I'm not sure if that says more about The Walking Dead or the state of Network TV nowadays. That said, I'll be watching TWD tonight.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 27, 2017, 09:35:33 AM
So who ratted out Rick? Was it the Doctor they took from Hill Top? Was it recon? Are the Scavengers really just an outpost of the Saviors taking half their guns? What will Stupid Sasha do with the Kill Pill that Eugene gave her? Is Dwight a mole and when will Rick put a bullet in Idiot Rosita's head?

IDK but I'm becoming more and more of a fan of Negan as a leader than a sociopath. Every time he's one step ahead of Rick and the clueless. Did they really need to blow off explosives to alert anyone in earshot what is there?

I think next week we get put off until next season...   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 27, 2017, 01:47:30 PM
I don't know, in the coming attractions, it seems as if they are all ready for battle, the tiger included.

As for yesterday's show, I thought it was one of the better shows this season. We got glimpses of everyone and all seem ready to do battle.

Sasha wanted some sort of weapon to use on Negan, not to commit suicide like she told Eugene. You see that on her reaction to the pill she was given. Even a piece of glass would provide her with something. What she will do now is sit and wait. Personally I don't see her surviving the awaiting battle.

As for Dwight, I see him coming over to the 'good' guys, if that's what we can still call Rick's group. He basically hates Negan, and he will turn on him. Problem is I don't think Daryl will ever forgive him for what he did to him, as well as many others in our group who hate him. But he is a valuable source of info for the coming battle.

Eugene is a puzzle for me. I know, if push comes to shove, he will side with his original group over Negan and the Saviors, but as of now he is living high on the hog. He gives orders, people listen, but still Negan cannot be trusted even as he spews all this garbage about how he 'cares'. He is still a ruthless killer who only leads by intimidation. Cross him and you are, in the least--scarred for life, or just dead. His character is very impressive and he will not be killed off in the battle. Even the Governor lasted a couple of years. I like his character. Not for what he is, but he brings excitement to the show whenever he is on the screen.

My one question from this last show is why didn't Rich want to accept the help of the Oceansiders who wanted to help? For me, the more bodies the better.

PS--I still hope Simon is the one eaten by that tiger.    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 27, 2017, 06:31:06 PM
Negan is the best part of the show right now. It would be a bad move to kill him off. What does anyone think happens at the end of this war? They certainly aren't going to kill off everyone. Are the numbers reduced and everyone goes home licking their wounds and the stranglehold by the saviors is eliminated or is Negan driven off and someone takes over the group? Or...is one community put together with mutual cooperation (which is the least likely to happen).
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 27, 2017, 07:10:48 PM
In the comics, Negan is captured, and not killed. That's all I know, but that is the comics and the TV series has altered the comics very much. Just no way they kill him off.

Gosh it seems as if he has been here for quite a while, yet is is only 1 year since he made his appearance.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on March 27, 2017, 09:05:12 PM
In the comics, Negan is captured, and not killed. That's all I know, but that is the comics and the TV series has altered the comics very much. Just no way they kill him off.

Gosh it seems as if he has been here for quite a while, yet is is only 1 year since he made his appearance.

Lenn, (and anyone really), can I respectably ask that you don't mention what's in the comics? Or, put a *spoiler* tag on your post and skip a few lines so that those of us who don't want to know can avoid reading this. I've heard that the show doesn't always follow the arc of the comics, but still....  And if that's an unreasonable request no worries, I'll do my best to try not to read that part. Thanks.

Overall I thought last night's episode was ok. A few things I thought were silly, which I won't go into. You mentioned Eugene earlier, I'd say he'll do what he's always done - do or say anything that will keep him safe and alive. It's what he's always done. Despite his meek appearance he's very calculating and will do whatever it takes to live another day. He's a survivor. It's how he hooked up with, and was allowed to stay with, Abraham before meeting Rick and Co. I question whether or not he has ANY loyalties at all, other than to himself.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on March 27, 2017, 09:23:01 PM
I agree on Eugene. You nailed him. Although he accepts he's a coward he hates himself for it and in a moment of judgement he may surprise.


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on March 27, 2017, 09:34:55 PM
No problem Steve. Sorry I mentioned it.

As for Eugene, at my weekly discussion group, it was mentioned that if and when Negan finally meets his maker, who MIGHT step up and lead the Saviors. You know, I mentioned Eugene. Not because he has leadership qualities, but in a weird way, I can see him standing up and giving the Saviors his spiel. He is very, very intelligent and he can talk his way into or out of most anything. He convinced Abraham and Sasha to take him to Washington saying he knew how to reverse the plague. Of course he was full of s**T, but he WAS convincing. He could get up in front to the Saviors and talk them into following him, as long as he made it very convincing. I really don't think it would ever happen, but Eugene has that capability.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 28, 2017, 07:48:45 PM
No problem Steve. Sorry I mentioned it.

As for Eugene, at my weekly discussion group, it was mentioned that if and when Negan finally meets his maker, who MIGHT step up and lead the Saviors. You know, I mentioned Eugene. Not because he has leadership qualities, but in a weird way, I can see him standing up and giving the Saviors his spiel. He is very, very intelligent and he can talk his way into or out of most anything. He convinced Abraham and Sasha to take him to Washington saying he knew how to reverse the plague. Of course he was full of s**T, but he WAS convincing. He could get up in front to the Saviors and talk them into following him, as long as he made it very convincing. I really don't think it would ever happen, but Eugene has that capability.

OMG, if that happens, I would never watch the show again. Eugene a leader? The guy practically wets himself regularly. A right hand man, if he's extraordinarily fortunate. Never a leader. I still think the whole plot line about going to Washington DC to create the cure was ridiculous. Nothing that came out of his mouth led me to believe he had ANY idea what he was doing. Not to mention, quite a few of the group had been inside the CDC walls and we know how that turned out. Why wasn't Rick more critical of Eugene claims? All Rick had to say was, "Well, we were inside the CDC talking to one of their top scientists..." and Eugene would have needed new pants. Eugene "has that capability" only because it's a TV show and the writers toss out some serious bulls**t from time to time. In real life, the guy doesn't last an hour.

BTW - I've got $10 on Eugene told Neegan about Rick. Maybe not directly, but he gets real diarrhea of the mouth when he's scared and Neegan, literally, scares the piss out of him.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 28, 2017, 08:13:49 PM

IDK but I'm becoming more and more of a fan of Negan as a leader than a sociopath. Every time he's one step ahead of Rick and the clueless. Did they really need to blow off explosives to alert anyone in earshot what is there?

I think next week we get put off until next season...

Staying one step of Rick is a pretty low bar to clear. You're absolutely right. Neegan is a leader. Rick is not. Neegan understands you don't immediately kill talent. He's knows Sasha's value better than Rick does. BTW - Nice shooting from the tree Michonne!!! In fairness, a true leader would never have let his top sniper wander off to the Hilltop in time of war and have his sword slashing, ninja woman up in a tree. Anyone else find that "raid" completely unbelievable? I thought it was absolutely asinine.

My apologies if I offend anyone by mentioning Israel. That's not my goal here. I am most CERTAINLY NOT making light of the Holocaust by discussing Israel and TWD. Israel is just best example I can think of. My sincere apologies to any who take offense.

Oceanside is TWD's Israel. It was formed because a people were massacred brutally and no one came to help. The survivors knew that they had to defend themselves going forward. They are heavily armed and the perimeter is constantly under surveillance. They shoot to kill. No apologies needed. It's survival. Tara only live through her first run in with Oceanside because the leader's daughter saved her life. These people only trust their own because only their own know what was lost.

On her first "visit", Tara comes under fire before making it into Oceanside and, now, Rick's army marches up in the open without a care in the world? What's wrong with this picture besides everything? Setting off explosives would have gotten EVERY Oceanside woman, who was not already armed, scrambling for their gun. All Rick did with the explosives is remove the element of surprise. There's simply no way ANYONE walks into Oceanside, takes their guns, and it's bloodless. That's NOT the same place Tara was!!! BTW - Given their lack of guns, their lack of access to explosives, why the hell would Rick not save those for the coming war?!? In real life, Rick might have condemned them all to death because explosives that may be needed to breech a fortified position are now gone. I'm just an Army brat, never spent a day in the uniform. But even I KNOW you don't waste firepower and you don't announce your arrival to an enemy that isn't expecting you!!! I'm not sure I can think of a way for Rick to have done that raid worse. Sure, the writers made sure it was clean and sweet. Unfortunately, by doing that, they also made it completely unbelievable and completely contradictory to what we know about Oceanside from before.  ~X(
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 28, 2017, 08:27:16 PM

PS--I still hope Simon is the one eaten by that tiger.    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

Lenn,

Just remember I called it before this episode ever aired! BTW - Tigers often turn on their handlers. The don't form "bonds" with human beings. So, the whole Ezekiel saved the tiger's life and now the tiger loves Ezekiel is BS. But here's the really ridiculous part, tigers are ambush killers, so a war would not be playing to it's strengths. Ignoring that, how does the tiger distinguish between a Savior (bad, kill kitty!!!) and an Alexandrian, a Hilltoper, or a Scavenger? To a tiger, meat is meat. And once a tiger gets a taste of human flesh, well, you've got yourself a certified man eater on your hands!!! To tigers, we apparently taste pretty good. We are certainly, under ideal tiger conditions of high grass and woods, ridiculously easy to kill.



Ron Magill, a spokesman for Zoo Miami, said a skilled zookeeper such as Konwiser would never knowingly walk into an enclosure a tiger had access to. He compared walking into an alpha male tiger's enclosure to walking in front of a car going 55 mph on the highway.

"There is no gray or blurry area around this," he said. "When working with a tiger you never put yourself in a position where the tiger could have access to you."


Tigers are recorded to have killed more people than any other big cat, and tigers have been responsible for more human deaths through direct attack than any other wild mammal.[2] About 1,000 people were reportedly killed each year in India during the early 1900s, with one individual tiger killing 430 people in India.[2] Tigers killed 129 people in the Sundarbans mangrove forest from 1969–71.[2] Unlike leopards and lions, man-eating tigers rarely enter human habitations in order to acquire prey. The majority of victims are reportedly in the tiger's territory when the attack takes place.[3] Additionally, tiger attacks mostly occur during daylight hours, unlike those committed by leopards and lions.[3] The Sundarbans are home to approximately 600 royal Bengal tigers[4] who before modern times used to "regularly kill fifty or sixty people a year".
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on March 28, 2017, 08:50:13 PM
What does anyone think happens at the end of this war? They certainly aren't going to kill off everyone. Are the numbers reduced and everyone goes home licking their wounds and the stranglehold by the saviors is eliminated or is Negan driven off and someone takes over the group? Or...is one community put together with mutual cooperation (which is the least likely to happen).

Here's what I think makes sense and would be compelling. Which means there's zero chance of it happening.  =))

It becomes a war of attrition that all sides realize needs to stop or they are essentially committing suicide by continuing to weaken themselves. Since Rick cannot be killed, Carl is. Rick becomes very withdrawn and he and Michonne still "live" in Alexandria, but for intents and purposes they live alone. Michonne raises Rick's daughter as her own and a new ninja woman warrior is born. Maggie rises to run Alexandria. Neegan escapes, which means another war will be coming. Simon leaves to join Neegan. Dwight takes over the Saviors. The king is killed and Morgan refuses to take over. Morgan is leaving the area for good, too much death, so Jerry takes over. Carol is an "advisor" to Maggie and Jerry. Aaron's boyfriend just announced that he "finally understands why we must fight". Those are last words. Jesus and Aaron run Hilltop, since Aaron's grief is too much for him to stay in Alexandria. The Scavengers fight well, lose many, and decide they prefer isolation. The Scavengers will trade with the other places, but the Scavengers will come to them. They must not come to the Scavengers. That would be viewed as an act of war. All four locations try to rebuild, bury their dead, and try to survive a very lean year since the war has eaten up so many resources. It is a very bleak and harsh time and the threat of Neegan casts a shadow over all that still live.

Now, when NONE of that happens, you can all have a good laugh at my expense! I won't mind. At least, I called the tiger before anyone else did!  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on April 01, 2017, 08:11:33 PM
recently the people who are in charge so to speak of the writers said again, they have enough material to write the tv show for 20 seasons.
 I would think that story wise its been what a year and a half? look at how degraded the dead have become. In a couple more years they will have broken legs and be really not a problem. the only "problem" walkers are those that survived the initial outbreak and died later.
 Gotta wonder what they are going to do with the walkers in say , 2 years? will they still be as mobile? shouldn't be but it IS a tv show, even now they are showing up more and more broken down.
  Kind of wish there would be more walker problems then there are now. I also think they have to pipe down Negan if they are gonna continue to use him as a major character. we will see tho. last one for the year tomorrow. FEAR starts in June I think. Tomorrow is also the last one of BALCK SAILS which has been great but this is going to be the ending of the show. Ill have to catch a rerun, its on STARZ.
 I need to find another show to become loyal to, think that may be hard considering what I get on DSS and the fact its hard to find a show as well written.
   OK UPDATE: I walked my dawg BETSY all the way around the block this morning!!!!! no crutches! My kneecap is sore but I think iM beginning to heal. Maybe I WILL lose the brace on the 14th. just to keep u guys up to date, if you.re not interested I understand and I apologize for being boring. One thing is for sure, since I turned 58 I have broken a vertebrae and a leg. I guess I just have to be more careful, I kinda thought I already was. all I can say is at this age, breaking bones take a LOOOOOOOOONG time to heal
 Ok see you guys after tomorrow night show, lets hope its a good one, this season needs a great ending as I think it started off ion the wrong foot and has had some pretty slow episode this season even if I am watching the reruns right now!
Happy Spring everyone!
 oh and Dwight doesn't deserve to survive, Im sorry, I don't care if he wants to join up, he killed Denise and shot Daryl.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on April 02, 2017, 06:08:10 AM
got up early this morning because:
A my kneehurt
B dawg was wanting breakfast
and C Walking dead was on
lo and behold I get up just in time to see Negan bash in Abrahams and Glenns heads in. Hated it. Still think it was too much and still say they went too far, used their "license: to film what ever they want. Look I have never been in the service but my whole damn family has. Real combat, real horror, I understand as much as possible without experiencing it myself what it is. Opening of Saving Private Ryan had some pretty ruff shot but the people there were fighting a war, fighting for their country and that doesn't bother me at all. I still say the whole think with Negan and his bat was cheap and show a lack of class on the writers part. I do realize In in the minority tho, younger people then I liked "slasher films also , they certainly never appealed to my generation. we wanted Peace and Love and Jerry Garcia so..........................
 when the sun comes up I gonna try and walk my dawggie around the block again,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on April 02, 2017, 06:13:35 AM
and we are back on easy street....................
 you know he can try and "wise up" daryl but I STILL SAY :SiC SEMPER TYRRANIS" to Dwight. hell with him, he crossed the good guys, kill em.
  I like that, motto for the State of Virginia, maybe Ill get that tattoed under my Giants helmet!. What do ya think? it would be a honest tattoo.....
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on April 02, 2017, 08:13:09 AM
Do they leave us hanging for the next season? I'll be annoyed if they don't have some resolution.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on April 02, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
of course they are gonna leave us hangin, they do every year!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on April 02, 2017, 06:53:37 PM
Glad you are up and about Weeze, if only on a limited basis--you know you gotta start some where.   :yes: :yes: :yes:

Don't know what you can get on your system, but have you ever watched shows like Justified--a great series which only ran 3/4 years and really went under the radar, but a great watch.

What about Breaking Bad, from the get go.

And if you can get Dexter, that is about 6/7 years worth of excellent TV watching. All, I highly recommend.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on April 03, 2017, 08:18:45 AM
Spoiler Alert if you haven't watched the season finale!

I had a feeling the garbage queen couldn't be trusted. Too bad she survived. How is Rick and all them so naive to trust them? What's up with Dwight?

They need a lot more hands on deck and they need the ladies from the Beach resort to step up.

Does Michonne survive? 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on April 03, 2017, 09:18:26 AM
Spoiler Alert if you haven't watched the season finale!

How is Rick and all them so naive to trust them? What's up with Dwight?

Does Michonne survive?

Rick's an awful leader!!! Everything Neegan said about Rick outside the gate was spot on! Dwight couldn't make a move. Would have been instant death. I think Dwight was as surprised by the garbage queen's betrayal as Rick was. Imo, in the "hospital bed" scene at the end, Michonne looked like she was resting comfortably and was - at minimum - stable . I didn't get a sense of her being at risk there.

To me, the much bigger question is why didn't she have another weapon - or two - on the roof? It's completely unrealistic to believe that a sniper position - in that environment - could remain static. The muzzle flash would be seen and she would have to move or face heavy incoming fire. In fact, given that everyone is aware a battle is going to occur, why doesn't everyone have a knife or sword. People die in battles. They will NOT all be shot in the head. They WILL turn. So, anyone preparing for battle would be foolish not to prepare for having to have to fight the dead that have turned. Since the amount of time it takes to "turn" on the show varies tremendously, it is very likely that the walker "problem" would last, at least 30 to 60 minutes after the battle ends.

Ok, Rick's murder for hire mishap got them into this mess. Now, Rick has HEAVILY armed a large group that has turned on Alexandria, betrayed them all, and killed Alexandrians. How has NO ONE put a bullet in Rick's head? At best, he's an absolute moron. At worst, he's worse than Neegan, because the body count keeps going up while Rick destroys what little safety Alexandrians do have!! Killing Rick would be a sensible act of self defense.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on April 03, 2017, 08:12:18 PM
Here's to a GREAT season ender. One of the good episodes and 'good' has prevailed over 'evil'.

It really took me completely by surprise when the garbage people turned on Rick. So Negan has his hands in that also. But kudos to the Army of The Kingdom and the Hilltoppers. I sort of knew they would be coming to the rescue, but I really didn't know if it would be in time to save Carl. We have debated a few times if Carl could be killed off, but just not yesterday.  :yes: :yes: :yes: That's what makes this show so great, you just never know who will be around after the battle is done.

I also kinda knew Sasha was not going to survive, but was again completely surprised by the way she chose to end it and hopefully get her revenge on Negan. GREAT job here by the writers. And another Kudo to Rick for not giving in when Negan was going to knock Carl's head in. I LOVED the fact that he was hard time and told Negan that no matter what, he was going to kill him. I also loved that they were going to blow Eugene up with the rest of the Saviors. He is still really a puzzle. I think next season Negan will tire of him, or get something on him, and he will have to come crawling back to Alexandria. As for Dwight, I felt he was sincere in wanting Negan out of the way and he will eventually work with Rick and the rest to help the Allies win over the Axis of Power--the Saviors and the garbage people.

So no real cliffhangers, just sort of a happier ending. The good guys triumph.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on April 04, 2017, 03:20:46 AM
And another Kudo to Rick for not giving in when Negan was going to knock Carl's head in.

Kudos? Rick IS the reason Negan was going to knock Carl's head in!!!! C'mon, Lenn! I know you've been very humble about your service during the Vietnam War, but, honestly, given all the mistakes Rick has made, and continues to make, would you have wanted to be patrolling the jungle with Rick as your 2nd Lt.?!??!? Been at Khe Sanh with Rick in charge? He probably would have supplied air support to NVA!!! The more seasons that pass, the more I marvel that Rick was only shot once when he was a cop! Honestly, I can't see Rick lasting two years as a cop. Rick should have been the pizza delivery guy, not Glen.  ~X(
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on April 04, 2017, 07:06:11 AM
Kudos? Rick IS the reason Negan was going to knock Carl's head in!!!!

That's a very unfair assessment seeing how the other kingdoms under Negan's rule all turned against him, with the exception of the aptly named garbage people and the cowards by the sea (who would if they leader wasn't so scared)


Ed,

It was foolish to trust the garbage people, but desperate times call for desperate measures.  Besides, who predicted they would throw in their lot with Negan.


As for Sasha I knew all season she was a goner because she is going to be on the new CBS reboot series of Star Trek.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on April 04, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
I hate to sound like a broken record because I still feel I'm emotionally invested in it, but this show continues to disappoint me. I thought there were some interesting moments in the finale, but mostly it left me feeling let down. Sasha coming out of the coffin was a cool twist, though not a surprise she'd be killed off. I knew she was going to die once it was announced she's off to star in the latest Star Trek series about to kick off.

How do they train a tiger to just kill just the bad guys?

I wonder if the dvd will have bloopers. Like all the times Negan fell over when he leaned a tad too far!!

Kind of strange there wasn't a single scene where Rick confronted Rosita about her STUPID plan. All we got was a quick explanation from Rosita that they had Sasha.

Someone should tell the producers to invest more than a few dollars in the battle scenes, stupid behaviors and bad choreography made them the lamest I've seen so far.

Speaking of the "gun battle" scene, it was a little confusing. We see Rick on his knees with Carl, but right before that scene we see Daryl grab a weapon (It looked as if he was near the front gate), still shooting it out with whoever was left. Wouldn't Negan want to make sure that everyone was apprehended or dead before he started his "on your knees" ritual. At any rate, looking back, the gun battle scene with the Governor was better executed and filmed.

So we got to see another impotent Rick, "I'm gonna kill yew, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow..." speech, (cue Bogey from Casablanca), as he gave the same speech at the beginning of the season only to see numerous people killed and numerous opportunities squandered. As viewers, we know they'll have to do a "back and forth" and Rick will be victorious at some point. But the actual characters in this show *should* be laughing at Rick by now.

I think it's hilarious that Rick was ready to let Negan kill Carl, and without knowing Negan was about to be stopped short, and he was not even going to give Carl a quick "I love you" or anything. He never even looked at Carl. Mind boggling.

What was with the toy soldier anyway?

I'll be back for the next season, as I said I'm invested in this series. I like the premise of the show. I like the actors for the most part. I just wish that with all the success this show is enjoying, all the money it's making for AMC, that they put more resources into the writing. It's, at times, sophomoric.

Anyway, it's off to Better Call Saul, a series that realizes the importance of good writing.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on April 04, 2017, 09:08:52 AM
Here's to a GREAT season ender. One of the good episodes and 'good' has prevailed over 'evil'.

It really took me completely by surprise when the garbage people turned on Rick. So Negan has his hands in that also. But kudos to the Army of The Kingdom and the Hilltoppers. I sort of knew they would be coming to the rescue, but I really didn't know if it would be in time to save Carl. We have debated a few times if Carl could be killed off, but just not yesterday.  :yes: :yes: :yes: That's what makes this show so great, you just never know who will be around after the battle is done.

I also kinda knew Sasha was not going to survive, but was again completely surprised by the way she chose to end it and hopefully get her revenge on Negan. GREAT job here by the writers. And another Kudo to Rick for not giving in when Negan was going to knock Carl's head in. I LOVED the fact that he was hard time and told Negan that no matter what, he was going to kill him. I also loved that they were going to blow Eugene up with the rest of the Saviors. He is still really a puzzle. I think next season Negan will tire of him, or get something on him, and he will have to come crawling back to Alexandria. As for Dwight, I felt he was sincere in wanting Negan out of the way and he will eventually work with Rick and the rest to help the Allies win over the Axis of Power--the Saviors and the garbage people.

So no real cliffhangers, just sort of a happier ending. The good guys triumph.

It was a great season ender but the larger battle is coming and it brings a lot of what ifs into the conversation. Btw, did anyone notice who Dwight shot at in the battle or did he just run? Does Negan know what he did and take Lucille to his head? Does he figure out what Eugene did or will one of the wives squeal on him? Will there be an undercurrent within the Survivor ranks? Will the Beach babies join the fight? Will Rick go after the Garbage Queen and take their guns back? I certainly would attack them first and take them out of the equation with explosives in those garbage piles and level the place. Will this prompt Weeze and the Floridians to march up and join the cause?   
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on April 04, 2017, 11:15:52 AM
the little toy soldier figurine was left by Dwight, the guy who got the iron to his face, had come to warn them Negan was on his way. it said "didn't know" on it, meaning he didn't know the junkies had been paid of by Negan to turn on our heros. He still wants to destroy negan because of his wife. So hes a "inside" spy so to speak.
 the tiger and the gun battle stuff had a very comic book feel to it which WE, all of us , have to remember the writers and Director are attempting to make a TV version of the comic. you get these things form time to time, I do not look at these as something to be questioned onn how real it is, because it IS a comic. You need to remember that when watching ,but I get it because we all become so absorbed,
 Whether  or not  Rick has ever read "the art of war" I don't know but he should. he sure doesn't understand tactics when you are on the  disadvantaged side of a war. However , I thibk hes done a good job as a leader, no one else has wanted the job since the start of the show and its not like he hasn't discussed his leadership with the other characters. think back about that, he has talked about it with pretty much every single major character since the show started.
 I thought the episode was a little choppy, Nicotero directed , he likes to shuffle time a lot.
 I thought it was great ending.
 Hilltop and Kingdom cannot continue on their own as they are undermanned and undergunned. they all move in to Alexandria would be my guess.
  Love to see all the different views here, but  SEM> I think yo look for too much realistic scenarios on a tv show based in a comic.I mean to each his own but if you looked at the show like it was the original Star Trek youight enjoy it more. I still think its the best show on tv and rates as perhaps the best drama ever done on TV.
 still hate that Negan shithead, cant wait for him to get shot in the face by Maggie or Rick. of course that may be 4 years from now........
 
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on April 04, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
That's a very unfair assessment seeing how the other kingdoms under Negan's rule all turned against him, with the exception of the aptly named garbage people and the cowards by the sea (who would if they leader wasn't so scared)


Ed,

It was foolish to trust the garbage people, but desperate times call for desperate measures.  Besides, who predicted they would throw in their lot with Negan.


As for Sasha I knew all season she was a goner because she is going to be on the new CBS reboot series of Star Trek.

Rich,

Wow! I don't think I've ever been more surprised by one of your posts. Please tell me you're joking. Unfair assessment? Who decided on the murder for hire fiasco that brought Alexandria to Negan's attention? Rick. Who went against the advice of Michonne, Glen, and Morgan and proceeded with the murder for hire plan? Rick. Who gave away ALL of Alexandria's arms and allowed Alexandria to be enslaved? Rick. Who decided to trust and HEAVILY arm the garbage people after they kidnapped Gabriel and then forced Rick to fight porcupine walker to survive? Rick. "It was foolish to trust the garbage people" - yes, yes it was. Extremely foolish. But that's Rick's MO. He does crap like that all the time. As for the "cowards" by the sea, they're all alive and NOT serving Negan. How are they "cowards"? I, very clearly, pointed out how the Alexandrians NEVER would have gotten the Oceanside guns in real life without a massive loss of life. Even throwing all sense of reality out the window, simply based on the previous episodes with Tara at Oceanside, that raid made zero sense. "Cowards"? You have a very strange definition of that word. Rick makes huge strategic mistakes, gets his people slaughtered and enslaved and the Oceanside leader is the "coward"? :no: :no: Me? I'd stick with the "coward". I would live a LOT longer and happier life that way.

I have to say, it fascinates me away that you like Sem's post when Sem is saying pretty much the same things I am saying, and have been for awhile. Obviously, I agree with Sem, because he and I are seeing it the same way. Sloppy writing, with huge plot holes, that really do not need to be there at all. Just tightening up the script a little would make a huge difference. Where did all that dynamite to blow up the Saviors come from when they used all that dynamite on their raid at Oceanside? Did dynamite all of sudden become readily available? I pointed out all the tiger battle issues before the episode ever aired. Google tigers, read 5 minutes of info, and you realize it all would make no sense. You do not have to be a tiger "expert" to know just how ridiculous those scenes are. That's sloppy writing, by any definition of the word, and it doesn't need to be there.


Finally, my apologies to Lenn that the tiger didn't get Jared. I know you wanted that end for Jared, but, unless I am mistaken, I did not see Jared at the battle, so he may end up tiger chow yet.  :ok:
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on April 04, 2017, 12:19:03 PM

 Hilltop and Kingdom cannot continue on their own as they are undermanned and undergunned. they all move in to Alexandria would be my guess.
 

My impression, and I freely admit that I could be 100% wrong here, was that the Kingdom was geographically, and population wise, the largest of the three. Obviously, I do not have a land survey or population census to back that up. Just my impression from watching the shows and little bits of info we get from the characters.

Unless there is a significant loss of life to come, I do not believe Alexandria could physically support all three and - we do know, because Rick took on the Hilltop's murder for hire job - that out of the three, Alexandria is the one that still cannot produce enough food for it's own population. although, post wolves and Negan, that's probably no longer an issue. By my count, Alexandria's losses have crossed into double digits and counting. So, food should be somewhat less of an issue going forward.

The Kingdom and Hilltop seem to be producing enough food for themselves and Negan, so without needing to pay "tribute" to Negan, I would imagine the Kingdom might actually have a surplus available for trade and we know Hilltop already does have a surplus because the murder for hire plot was payable in food.

Outstanding call on the toy soldier. I missed what was written on it, so much thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on April 04, 2017, 03:30:11 PM
really?
ok see I thought alex was the largest.
I guess I just assumed that
 well one thing is that all together I don't think they have as many as Negan so somebodys home or homes are no longer defendable.
 
 we may never hear form the junkies again, well, heres to season 8!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on April 04, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Rich,

Wow! I don't think I've ever been more surprised by one of your posts. Please tell me you're joking. Unfair assessment? Who decided on the murder for hire fiasco that brought Alexandria to Negan's attention? Rick. Who went against the advice of Michonne, Glen, and Morgan and proceeded with the murder for hire plan? Rick. Who gave away ALL of Alexandria's arms and allowed Alexandria to be enslaved? Rick. Who decided to trust and HEAVILY arm the garbage people after they kidnapped Gabriel and then forced Rick to fight porcupine walker to survive? Rick. "It was foolish to trust the garbage people" - yes, yes it was. Extremely foolish. But that's Rick's MO. He does crap like that all the time. As for the "cowards" by the sea, they're all alive and NOT serving Negan. How are they "cowards"? I, very clearly, pointed out how the Alexandrians NEVER would have gotten the Oceanside guns in real life without a massive loss of life. Even throwing all sense of reality out the window, simply based on the previous episodes with Tara at Oceanside, that raid made zero sense. "Cowards"? You have a very strange definition of that word. Rick makes huge strategic mistakes, gets his people slaughtered and enslaved and the Oceanside leader is the "coward"? :no: :no: Me? I'd stick with the "coward". I would live a LOT longer and happier life that way.

I have to say, it fascinates me away that you like Sem's post when Sem is saying pretty much the same things I am saying, and have been for awhile. Obviously, I agree with Sem, because he and I are seeing it the same way. Sloppy writing, with huge plot holes, that really do not need to be there at all. Just tightening up the script a little would make a huge difference. Where did all that dynamite to blow up the Saviors come from when they used all that dynamite on their raid at Oceanside? Did dynamite all of sudden become readily available? I pointed out all the tiger battle issues before the episode ever aired. Google tigers, read 5 minutes of info, and you realize it all would make no sense. You do not have to be a tiger "expert" to know just how ridiculous those scenes are. That's sloppy writing, by any definition of the word, and it doesn't need to be there.


Finally, my apologies to Lenn that the tiger didn't get Jared. I know you wanted that end for Jared, but, unless I am mistaken, I did not see Jared at the battle, so he may end up tiger chow yet.  :ok:

Tucker,

Let me see, the woman you are defending at the seaside let Rick take all her guns but you attack Rick for letting Negan taking all of his guns.

I think you would be better served by considering how the other "leaders" have made out in the world of the walking dead.   The Gov is dead and his followers either dead or with Rick.   The family patriarch at the farm Rick encountered is dead and his family nearly all dead.   The wolves are dead.  The little Hospital community is still going on presumably, but their leader is dead and some of their people as well.   The initial trailer park community is dead other than the ones that followed Rick.   The CDC guy is dead.   That messed up group that ate people are all dead.   The group that was all about calling dibs is all dead.   I suspect the Saviors are not going to be doing all that well.    The seaside community lost all their men before going into hiding.  The leader of Hilltop was a weasel and now one of Rick's group is leading them.  The garbage people's future is starting to look a bit bleak (not that living in a garbage dump ever seems sunny) About the only leader who seems to have done a better job than Rick is the king with a tiger for a sidekick. 

It's a rough situation that Rick is faced with.  All in all he seems to be handling better than most and he has not turned into the sick psychopath like Negan.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on April 04, 2017, 05:07:50 PM
Tucker

Sure not meaning to 'pile on' but you mentioned Viet Nam and any war for that matter. When has Rick been trained in the 'Art Of War'? He was a cop, and probably a lowly guy who drove around making sure no one was urinating in the street. He is learning 'on the fly' as we say. Sure makes mistakes but I give him kudos for trying not to make the same mistake twice. He allowed Negan and company to basically do what they wanted, now he stood up to him. We know you don't like him, but seems you are being overly critical on some one who has NO EXPERIENCE doing what he is doing and as Rich said, basically all the other leaders from season's past are dead, yet Rick and company are still around. Sure things could have been done differently, but I try and put myself in Rick's shoes sometimes. He attacked the Satellite because he wanted to be able to work a deal with the Hill toppers. At the time, without any knowledge of Negan and the Saviors, I really didn't think it was that bad a plan. Again, Rick is not major, colonel, general, skilled in warfare or even leadership for that matter.
 You are watching this, looking for mistakes instead of just sitting back and trying to enjoy what may not be as believable as you like, but still enjoyable. I watch WWE wrestling ever week. I love it. I know it's fixed. I know it is all scripted but I still love it. Do I blame the writers for what I perceive as bad, hell no. It is all soap opera stuff and I love it.
As I said before, if we want, we can take maybe the best written show on TV, Breaking Bad and find many faults in that show also. Gosh think of the many things they put Jesse thru, come on when have you ever seen a turtle walking with a head on it? It is all fiction and as Weeze said, taken from comic books.

 Over all, this wasn't the best season, maybe even the worst, but still, it is one of the best things on TV and I still enjoy watching it.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: MightyGiants on April 04, 2017, 05:36:43 PM
Tucker,

I will go even further.  Of all the groups, only the Kingdom would be a greater choice than following Rick.   Alexandria seemed great, but they would have been wiped out when the wolves attacked (which they would have) or would have been overrun by the massive zombie hoard Rick diverted.

The Gov's town seemed pretty nice.  As a man odds are he would have killed you than let you join.  Plus there is something about being lead by a seriously disturbed evil individual.   I will pass on the whole the food is people group.   I didn't like the nomad existence of the dibs group.  The hospital group may have had a degree of safety but it seemed like hell on earth.  The farm was nice, but I suspect they all would have been killed by the zombie hoard (had Rick not shown up).   The Hilltop seems to be a precarious group with their weasel leader but now seem better with Maggie.   I don't think I would enjoy life under Negan either.   So I would be happy to be with Rick where the group is like family.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on April 04, 2017, 07:22:41 PM
Tucker,

Let me see, the woman you are defending at the seaside let Rick take all her guns but you attack Rick for letting Negan taking all of his guns.

I think you would be better served by considering how the other "leaders" have made out in the world of the walking dead.   The Gov is dead and his followers either dead or with Rick.   The family patriarch at the farm Rick encountered is dead and his family nearly all dead.   The wolves are dead.  The little Hospital community is still going on presumably, but their leader is dead and some of their people as well.   The initial trailer park community is dead other than the ones that followed Rick.   The CDC guy is dead.   That messed up group that ate people are all dead.   The group that was all about calling dibs is all dead.   I suspect the Saviors are not going to be doing all that well.    The seaside community lost all their men before going into hiding.  The leader of Hilltop was a weasel and now one of Rick's group is leading them.  The garbage people's future is starting to look a bit bleak (not that living in a garbage dump ever seems sunny) About the only leader who seems to have done a better job than Rick is the king with a tiger for a sidekick. 

It's a rough situation that Rick is faced with.  All in all he seems to be handling better than most and he has not turned into the sick psychopath like Negan.

I already pointed out how completely ridiculous and totally unbelievable the raid on Oceanside was. Again, her people are free and alive. Rick can't say the same. As for "letting" Rick take their guns, well, as long as people give the writers a free pass to directly contradict their own scripts, not much I can do about that. The Oceanside we saw with Tara bears no resemblance to the Oceanside we saw with Rick. As for the other leaders, you do realize that's just the people the group has gotten into conflicts with, right? As we all saw, by Rick and the group's total lack of awareness of the existence of the Kingdom, lots of groups out there that our group has yet to encounter. So, comparing Rick to the people that Rick often was the direct, or indirect, cause of the group coming into conflict with is a very biased sample population, to say the least.

I remind you that Rick insisted on going to the CDC despite warnings not to. And it cost people their lives.
I remind you that Rick caused a great deal of conflict on Hershel's farm by bringing the wounded kid back to the farm, despite warnings not to. Instead of preparing for the day when a herd might come through, the infighting escalated to the point where many died. Hard to believe the group would not have been better prepared for the herd had Rick left the young guy impaled on the fence.

As for the Governor, well, there's no way to have a discussion about that w/o bringing up the comics. And since some here did not read the comics, I am going too respect the request that the comics not be discussed. Imho, the comics presented the Governor/jail story in a much more cohesive and understandable fashion. Rick paid a very heavy price for his mistakes in the comic that he did not pay on the show and I'll leave it at that. I have more respect for the comic based Rick because the comics - at least the ones I have read so far, I try to stay well behind the TV show - call Rick to task for his mistakes in a way the show never does.

Wolves dead? My impression was that the threat is still out there. If I missed an episode, I apologize, but when did all the wolves get killed? Was the ever an established, named leader of the wolves? BTW - I think the majority of the credit for subduing the wolves goes to Carol. W/O her leadership, I think that has a very different ending.

Terminus!!! Seems to me Rick led the group right into that ambush. No advance scouting. No staking it out to see what's going on. Again, Carol has to save the day or Rick is hamburger.

The group that called "dibs" is primarily a Daryl story and, clearly, were just a roving gang using violence to survive. I fail to see how you can compare them to a walled community. The Oceansiders did lose their men, you're right. And if we watch the "Tara only" episodes, they learned their lesson well, and did not repeat their past mistakes. Hilltop seems to have a very bright future under Maggie's leadership. She has shown a measured approach and maturity to leadership that we have yet to see Rick display. I'm not sure why you think the garbage people future is so bleak. Sure, they suffered some casualties, but they are very heavily armed, their base is immense, and easily defended because of it's maze like quality. I do agree about living amongst garbage not being at the top of my list - not to mention it's inviting a pandemic - but I think they are pretty secure going forward.

Finally, a number of you always say, at least Rick is better than Negan. How so? Did Negan attack Alexandria, out of nowhere and slaughter every single person there - most of them in their sleep? Because that's what Rick did to their outpost. You say Negan is a sick psychopath, yet Rick killing dozens - under contract - is okay by you? Those are some mighty flexible morals!!! Seems to me, so far in this plotline, the main difference between Rick and Negan is 1) Negan is better at what he does 2) Negan kills less people than Rick does. Yes, a baseball bat seems a nastier way to die than a knife into your skull, but Lucille would not have shown up had Rick not struck first.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on April 04, 2017, 07:47:51 PM
really?
ok see I thought alex was the largest.
I guess I just assumed that
 well one thing is that all together I don't think they have as many as Negan so somebodys home or homes are no longer defendable.
 
 we may never hear form the junkies again, well, heres to season 8!

And you may be 100% right, weeze. Again, I have no map, no inside info regarding community size. It just seemed to me, in the earlier episodes, when we see Carol recovering, that there are more people in the Kingdom. Could that be wrong? Absolutely!

The issue with Negan's numbers vs the others is we still have no idea how many outposts there are and how many Saviors man the outposts. In the preview, when Negan states to a group of Saviors that they are going to war, that group did not look anywhere as large as I had expected. If the Kingdom brings in more fighters, the numbers may be close. A potential wildcard is can Negan offer the junkies enough to convince them to join in on the attack?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: sooners56 on April 04, 2017, 07:48:01 PM
I think you guys are taking this
Made up TV Show too serious


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on April 04, 2017, 10:01:55 PM
gotta agree with you on that. I also thought the group Negan preached to was a LOT smaller then I thought he ruled over. I was thinking he had a group of several hundred, like 4 or 5 hundred but they are scattered around a lot.
 as far as screwing with any sort of realism, Alexandria is right across the river from D.C> there is NO freaking way there is this much open country in that part of Virginia. don't know why the comic picked Alexandria, could've been any small town in Virginia.
 I wonder if any of the mail order sites I order from have full size NEGAN targets I could take to the range????? Ill have to look around for those, Ill bet somebody makes them,
I figger all you guys have read ART OF WAR right? couple thousand years old supposedly, can teach yu a lot about corporate life, plus you can read it in a couple of hours!
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Ed Vette on April 04, 2017, 10:08:04 PM
Ratings for the season finale are down 20%. http://screenrant.com/walking-dead-season-7-finale-ratings/?utm_source=SR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=SR-FB-P&view=list


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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: Sem on April 04, 2017, 10:38:22 PM
the little toy soldier figurine was left by Dwight, the guy who got the iron to his face, had come to warn them Negan was on his way. it said "didn't know" on it, meaning he didn't know the junkies had been paid of by Negan to turn on our heros.

Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear. I knew it was supposed to be from Dwight, I just couldn't figure out the impetus for him bringing it in the first place. And then, having brought it what's he (Dwight) do with it? Apparently just toss it arbitrarily on the ground because he's so certain only Daryl will able to find it?? Does that make any sense at all? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: tucker115 on April 04, 2017, 11:38:45 PM
Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear. I knew it was supposed to be from Dwight, I just couldn't figure out the impetus for him bringing it in the first place. And then, having brought it what's he (Dwight) do with it? Apparently just toss it arbitrarily on the ground because he's so certain only Daryl will able to find it?? Does that make any sense at all? Am I missing something?

You're spot on and, again, it's not too difficult to fix. When Rick and Carl are on their knees, Dwight puts his hand on Daryl's shoulder and pushes him to the ground. Dwight then carefully hands the soldier off to Daryl when the tiger appears. Not completely plausible, granted, but certainly more sensible then tossing it to the ground in a tucked away crevice and Daryl conveniently finds it in the midst of a gun battle! That's what bothers me. Some of these things really are not that hard to fix in the script and make a bit more realistic. It just feels lazy to me. As I said before, the whole Sasha leaving the high ground and charging the base could be easily explained by the Saviors searching the building she and Rosita were in. Then, Sasha's hand was forced. Just tighten it up a little and it works better.
Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: LennG on April 08, 2017, 11:49:47 AM
11 Questions to be answered for next season

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Title: Re: Let's talk Walking Dead
Post by: weeze on April 08, 2017, 05:26:09 PM
the little figurine was a handcarved chess piece I believe, just to be a little more accurate