Big Blue Huddle

With the late start 8:45 here in Sconin I got home from the rink got my dinner and turned it on just as the puck was dropped. I will be honest Calgary set the tone for this game with fast high paced, high energy game; I wasn't sure the Rangers would match them. 

Shesty gave up the first shot of the game on a turn over 7' in front of the net.  Starting looking like the game last season. 
Igor put it behind him and just keep building from there, he looked real good.  He made 3-4 sick beautiful saves through the game. 

Rangers really just kept coming at the Flames. Beating the Flames and their best penalty kill in the NHL on their first 2 power plays (I think).  

Chytill was impressive and Schneider made some real nice plays at key moments as well. 

Not the best recap but it was a solid game the Rangers took over and I must admit I was real glad to get to see the game with the west coast start. 

Thomas - must develop high end talent
JMS - must develop high end talent 
JAckson - would help but he is gone at year end
Jones - final audition for his job, the decision on him will be made at the draft
Neal - rough road ahead to see end of rookie deal, even with 3 years left on it.  Giants need to learn when to cut ties with bad picks.  

Yes absolutely, and I would go as far to say that anyone other than Lawerence, Thomas, Hyatt and JMS are fairgame. 

There is no reason to not send the message that everyone needs to do better, including Schoen.  

Stock pile picks, especially for any player that will be gone next year. 

Barkley must be traded, regardless of his thoughts on the matter.

I do not think there is a controversy simply because of the contract and Jones's draft position.  The Giants have too much invested in Jones, they have to provide him every opportunity to succeed.  Eventually Schoen and Daboll aren't going to let Jones sink their careers with his; however, I do not think they are there yet.

That being said TT is a journeyman back up and is doing some of the key processing jobs better than the 5th year 1st RD draft pick.  TT is also making throws that Jones would either miss or let's be honest would not even throw. Last week TT had the second most pressure since Game 1 in Dallas so it's not as simple as better O line protection.

As I said last week I would very much like to see Jones play again. He should be the starter, he needs to prove himself.
He must play with some urgency, see if he can make the correct reads and adjustments, can he quickly identify the open receiver and push the ball downfield when it is needed.

Jones is down to 27 games left as a giant it's time to play like your job and existence on the team is dependent on it.

Quote from: TDToomer on October 18, 2023, 02:46:50 PMYou may ask yourself. Am I right? Am I Wrong? 

Define nothing?, remember it is relative to the roster.

Pugh may be on his last leg but it is light years better than the Giants other options.

He was hardly perfect, far from it and still better than what we have grown accustomed to

Quote from: Trench on October 18, 2023, 02:34:46 PMSo many said he had nothing left in the tank (including some best reporters)

Not the first time Talking heads were wrong

Pugh is signed, its a done deal. 

After sunday night there was no way he could go back to PS

Man o Man did they miss diagnose the Thomas injury.

Quote from: True Blue on October 18, 2023, 11:18:00 AMI don't think Tyrod is better than Jones, Jones is more physically gifted overall. Not sure who has the stronger arm but can't imagine it's very different.

But until Jones shows otherwise I do think TT does gives this team a better chance to win most weeks. He may not be better, but he doesn't have the mental issues some say DJ has, with him in, the offense was at least to attempt more downfield shots, avoid and/or prevent "as much" pressure, and in general getting the ball out easier. He also had more time to throw against a good pass rush.

Maybe DJs clock is damaged, maybe the games too fast for him or something else whatever the reason may be its holding him back until he shows me a reason to believe otherwise. But TTs clock was just fine and the offense was more functional in several areas. Not great, but better than most of the season however low that bar may be. He wasn't seeking the checkdown every single play

Personally, I think the big difference is mindset. 

Tyrod said he was going to go out and make the most of his opportunity.  He went into the game with something to prove, he had an opportunity and was going to make the most of it.

He played smart, made quick field assessments, through downfield at the correct times, through the ball away at the right times, he was more aggressive with his pocket presence- stepping up and extending the play at the right time vs running and flushing out to the side, adjusted and advised blocking when needed and audibled correctly roughly three times and of course completely screwed up the one audible that will not be forgotten.

Tyrod was playing to win vs the 3rd highest pressure % of the season. He made a bad O line better with his reads, pocket presence and play.


Jones
I do not see a Jones playing that way.  He scrambles to the side even when no pressure exist, rarely stepping up, checks down even when a receiver is open, he plays it safe all the time seldom taking the chances necessary to beat the best defenses.



If Jones could get his mind right I think he could be a stud QB. Coming out of last season I thought his development would get him there.  However, in the face of pressure vs Dallas his PTSD kicked in and he is a mess mentally. He is not calm and collected at the line, he is more like Dave Brown Deer in headlights while he waits for the next horrible play to plague him.

He doesn't read the rush very well, hit the hot route very well, he is making a bad line worse with his poor reads, pocket presence and play.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 18, 2023, 11:11:28 AMWhat's your impression of % of UC to shotgun for Jones vs what they called for Tyrod? I believe they want Jones more in Shotgun.

Make him more comfortable, with more time to assess the field?

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 18, 2023, 10:54:36 AMYes, Tim. Tyrod was able to move the ball effectively. If the Oline was able to do their job, that audible would have and should have resulted in a TD. I actually fault Daboll for poor clock management near the end of that drive. If they had the time and just one more second, they win the game with two field goals.

Tyrod had just 6 starts in 2021 and none since. We saw the results of Jones not having a start in 9 months against Dallas in the season opener. Zero points. Both faced top-ten Defenses. Jones outside of that Cards game has scored 7.75 points on average including Defensive scoring.

   

4.75 pts per game over the 4 games not counting the cards game if the 12 points from the defense are removed.

Quote from: T200 on October 18, 2023, 11:03:36 AMI really thought the light had gone on for Jones in the second half of the Cards game. To come out flat, albeit on a short week against the 9ers, was troubling to me.

I hope he's cleared to play and Pugh gets the nod again.

The Seahwaks game was the one for me where I really took a step back and realized what the reality of Jones was at. 

Seattle is the #28 passing offense and #16 defense over all and Jones was 6-16 on 3rd downs with 136 passing yards, completely lost.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 17, 2023, 11:21:59 AMThe fact that they're looking at these other QBs like Ian Book and Matt Barkley doesn't paint the greatest picture about their confidence in Jones being ready by this Sunday.

Agreed

Daboll comes clean on injury report as late as possible in week, I suspect their is no chance jones is playing this week, but how many weeks are the Giants really thinking ?

I honestly want to see a healthy Jones play. 

See if a fire has been woken up in him, if he opens up his game.  If he can make quicker reads, identify the open receivers, stop checking down when other downfield options exist, stop starring down receivers, see if he can get Hyatt, Slayton and Robinson involved. 

If he can start identifying the over hang unblocked rusher and adapting to it wither pre snap or post snap, can he recognize blitzes when he has 5:5 up front; those scenarios are 100% on him and he needs to do much better.


If he reverts back to the playing safe, trying not to lose, then he lost the proper mindset for the position and move on.

That contract will be an issue though so with a 69 mill dad cap next season, what I want is not the issue and jones will play this year and next and be given every opportunity to step up his subpar play

Quote from: Jaime on October 17, 2023, 03:31:05 AMRich, RT Neal was given a score of 57.1, how does that rate?
What I'm asking is, is  a score of 57.1 considered average, or below average?

thanks

3 Horrible calls

Personal foul- Roughing the Passer, although hands to face was legit

Ineligible man down field, Neal was engaged driving the DE backward. (No one has seen that from Neal , they figured it had to be a foul)

No call Pass interference


Add in Tyrod's blunder at the goal line and these four plays killed the giants chances last night