Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Painter on Today at 01:48:01 PMNever mind the speculation about where Nabers will line up. He will play wherever he best suits the  Giants Offense as was the case with OBJ who began play as a Y- with some Slot- and later became a mainstay at the X-.

While the addition of a talent like Nabers to the Giants usual 6-man Receiver Corps including Hyatt, Hodgins, and Robinson was absolutely essential, it leaves a lot of room for them to keep Slayton this year as long as he's willing. Other than Boykin and/ or a punt returner type, it's not obvious who among the preseason roster would be more useful/valuable.

Cheers!

Larry: Absolutely, and I for one hope he stays. He's about to have a IMO great opportunity to elevate himself (through his production) this season. Having a WR everyone WILL worry about means that he will attract less attention from the defense... isn't this actually what every NFL WR really wants (or should hope for)?  Bob

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 01:45:19 PMI agree, Bob. I also don't get enough of dumpster Dan.

king: Thanks for reminding me. Haven't heard from him recently. @LennG or @T200 or anyone else... have you? Bob

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 01:29:22 PMReally great input! 

king: I never fail to read his posts and highly recommend them. They are IMO too few and far between. Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 12:47:58 PMhttps://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1783895059282239771

Rich: I agree with this point-of-view 100 percent and mentioned it briefly elsewhere (maybe even above).

There is a decent probability a veteran QB who's better than average could shake loose in the summer.

Maybe even sooner, if the Giants are willing to part with any of next year's draft picks. It's a real thing.

Bob

Probably a corner back, especially if Cooper DeJean or K-A McKinstry are still available.

If not, Mike Sainristil (not a typo lol) from Michigan will do, but I'd rather have one of the other two.

If no corners they like are still available, then probably an OL (like Ceri says... either Patrick Paul or Cooper Beebe).  I'd prefer Beebe, a true guard IMO.

Bob

Quote from: B1GBLUE on Today at 11:41:22 AMNabers is LIGHT YEARS ahead of jalin hyatt. not even remotely in the same conversation.

B-one: I think you may have gone a bit overboard but I agree he's already better and more NFL-ready than Hyatt. lol

Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 11:03:11 AMJust off the top of my head Amani Toomer didn't emerge until his 3rd year in the league, however that was twenty years ago.

I personally think Nabers should blossom right out of the gate, or within the first six weeks of the season.

sdx: A great point. It's actually IMO the difference between taking Nabers over Odunze. The former (as stated in another thread by someone) is likely to hit the ground running if he's ever going to hit at all. Odunze IMO is a lot like Toomer and it wouldn't surprise me if it takes him a while to grow into the NFL or if it takes his QB a while to learn that he really CAN be trusted (as his QB did in college). He doesn't get "wide open" often. You just have to throw him the damn ball and let him fight for it. I think his bust likelihood is the lowest of all three top WR's this year, but his ceiling is significantly lower than Nabers' and Harrison's. Bob

MadB: I agree with Phil. Yours is IMO a good and fair assessment of the situation, although I might quibble about Okereke... extremely reliable and consistent, but IMO at a level a hair below Pro Bowl. I don't see any room for "improvement" in his already solid game... I think he's already doing all he can or ever will. Bob

Quote from: jgrangers2 on Today at 11:23:16 AMThe Eagles being able to sit back and get, arguably, the best cornerback in the draft when that was their top need is an insane win for them. Thought at least 2-3 corners would have been off the board by that pick. The run on QBs and the Raiders taking Bowers kind of messed things up.

jg: This is what I like to see in the Giants' draft... you have a relatively low pick but you get whomever you see as the TOP player in the entire draft (at almost any position). It is possible (according to about half of the "experts") that the Giants did the same. Many had Nabers more highly rated than Harrison, Jr., usually due to the "explosiveness" category, which (I suppose) means if you can get the ball to him, Nabers is more likely to turn little or nothing into a big play. Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 10:12:05 AMI was intrigued by Brook's and Jeremiah's small study suggesting top 10 WRs have a superior hit rate to the rest of round one.  Matt, any chance you can add when each prospect was drafted to your data? 

Rich: Yes, I should have at least mentioned that high 1st-rounders have a better success rate. Bob

king: Sadly I agree. That's the main reason why the "bust" rate for drafting 1st-round WR's is so darn high.

It's more dangerous to take a shot at a WR in the draft than QB... and taking a 1st-round QB is very dangerous.

Here's hoping it works out for Schoen and Daboll.

Bob

Quote from: LennG on Today at 09:56:27 AMThe people who are the happiest this AM are the people who still believe Jones is the future of this team. Those of us that think Jones is not the QB we need to be able to win know Nabers is a great talent but a great talent needs a good QB to help make his talents excel. Drafting a great WR before we have that talent at QB may well be Barkley II. His talents will be wasted for several years as we try to find a QB who can help him excel.

Lenn: Reasonable post. I get it. I'm one who believes Jones (if healthy) will get the job done this year, if for no other reason than to make Schoen's moves next year at this time as difficult as possible.  One more thing... with all the rookie QB's taken in the first round this year we may see some "unexpected" veteran QB's become available during the summer, so the Giants might be in the market for that option (if so, I hope it's not due to an injury to Jones or Lock). Bob

Quote from: londonblue on Today at 08:10:46 AMWe were a bad team before we picked Nabers. We are still a bad team after the pick. We are a battered, rusting heap with an engine operating at half power (DJ), two good tires (AT, Dex), a nice stereo pass rush duo and an enhanced selection of shiny WR hood ornaments.

I am not sure there is much to be happy about as we are still a long way from competing. Getting another good player is nice but hardly cause for bunting and a parade.

london: Although I disagree at least a bit with your sentiment, I "liked" your post because no one has to my knowledge ever used the word "bunting" here other than with reference to baseball. lol

Quote from: katkavage on Today at 07:51:54 AMI don't see what you see in the QB s that's the issue.

kat: That's ok. The issue will now be decided one way or another. By the end of this year, you'll see it... or I'll be tipping my hat to you. I think they have enough on offense that, even if the run-game can't do much (Nabers and Robinson will contribute), this year Jones will demonstrate that he can play small ball and long ball. Bob

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 07:49:49 AMOne thing we are going to see this year is disrespect for our running attack until it proves itself. Teams will focus on taking the deep ball away. This will be a great departure to what we've seen in previous years.

Tonka: Completely agree, but this year IMO they have the answer. Both Robinson and Nabers can contribute in the run-game, and Singletary is a proven NFL-caliber RB. Gray will no longer be a rookie and maybe he's ready to contribute. I think to address your point directly, this year the pass-attack will open it up for the run-game. Daboll/Kafka are not traditional coaches... they prefer the "newfangled" pass-first offenses, and whether we like it or not there will be very little (if any) "Giants' football" on offense and a lot more open attack. Bob