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#1
If this is true then MHJ doesn't have anything to worry about. But I've also heard that some teams may view Nabers as WR1 due to his explosiveness.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1770426714067283997?t=j5o7vNlKboujRZU6Z04D8g&s=19
#2
Quote from: Philosophers on March 15, 2024, 07:20:37 PMWe need to find 5 good starters who play together for a few years and build continuity.

The constant turnstile is maddening.
Step 1: find good starters
Step 2: build continuity

They're still on step 1 unfortunately
#3
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 15, 2024, 06:57:37 PMI'm not going to lie - I love Danielle Hunter. I think he's a terrific player. But he also turns 30 this season. That doesn't mean he's not good now, but he's obviously not going to have the shelf life from here on that Burns will.

Since the Giants are a rebuilding team that is virtually certain to not contend this year, it makes a lot more sense to get a foundational piece like Burns who can potentially be with this franchise for the better part of the next decade if things go well.
Exactly. The question the Giants likely asked themselves isn't who is the better player today, it's who can be part of the long-term future for this team.
#4
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 15, 2024, 02:51:00 PMDoc: Actually, my laugh wasn't about us fans, it was about how we view what Schoen says. It amuses me because IMO his answers depend totally on what question he was answering and the surrounding circumstances.

He'll never knowingly tip his hand about the draft or free-agency, but when asked to evaluate areas where the team needs help or status of individual players I believe he tries to be as honest as the day is long, with the only exception being the necessity to completely avoid answering specific questions about a player's health.

We here (and nearly all fans) hate losing because it usually results in wasting four months each year the Giants field a crummy team (whether that is due to bad luck with injuries or bad management by those in charge).

Bob
My apologies, Bob. Thanks for the thoughtful response.
#5
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 15, 2024, 12:33:30 PMI am pretty sure all fans hate losing.
I've heard from some who don't care about winning or losing, they enjoy the process regardless.
#6
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 15, 2024, 12:12:52 PMlondon: As usual, great post. Had a good laugh, too. Thanks. Bob  PS. Do you believe Harrison, Jr., is certain to be gone (as of today)?
Bob, you've had a good decade run of laughing at fans who hate losing. Must be nice to have that point of view.
#7
Big Blue Huddle / Re: New TE
March 15, 2024, 10:40:33 AM
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 14, 2024, 09:36:12 PMother than tyrod having a full camp I don't see Tommy or DJ doing that with bellinger. People keep saying we need a WR or something else but we need to trade the farm for a Drake Maye so players like bellinger and wandale etc can finally shine
This is the right way to look at it. People keep debating individual players rather than how the players fit together. This is why Gettleman was so bad at his job, he focused on the individual rather than the collective fit. If Schoen doesn't want to fall into the Gettleman trap he will need a QB to make the pieces on offense work.
#8
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Brian Burns is in the building
March 14, 2024, 12:14:08 PM
Love this guy!

For me, this is not so much about trading for an individual. It's about building a core on defense that fit perfectly together and can be part of something special for the next half decade. I'm excited for what could be. If Burns and Thibs push each other to be better, along with Dex, we will really have something here.
#9
Music to my ears. Hey, you can't force any of these teams to make a reasonable trade, but at least that they're working the phones and not taking anything for granted is encouraging.
#10
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Rate the Brian Burns trade
March 13, 2024, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 13, 2024, 10:21:17 AMNo one in mind.  If he continues to be a 9 sack guy that plays mediocre run defense I think it will ultimately be considered similar to the Olivier Vernon signing. 

I hope he plays his best football over the next several years but just like the team hasn't drafted well, they haven't signed a lot of FAs that came in lived up to it either.  This is this regime's first big signing, but the lesser ones on the OL didn't work out too well thus far, so while I understand your sentiment, not sure I have any more confidence in the pro-personnel department than I have in the college scouting.

Really my biggest issue is that it feels like a little desperation on Schoen's and Daboll's part.  Its year 3 of the regime, and they took huge steps backwards last year and now have new coordinators that need new guys and the HC needs to turn things around to keep his job.  Just seems like familiar territory. 

Whether Jones's contract is there or not and its easier to digest his cap hit, its sill 60 million+ in cap space for 3 players on the DL over the next few years if Dex, Burns and Thibodeaux all stay put. Maybe 23% of the cap in one position group is healthy, it doesn't seem it to me, but the DL is pretty important, especially in a division with two of the best OLs in the league.

Bottom line is that I think this could work really well to have bookend DEs that can rush the passer and create a great DL, but I am skeptical.  Pass rushers are a lot better when a team scores a lot of points and has the lead.  Has the team done anything to date to make you think the offense will improve?  Further, what other moves need to be made on defense to fit the scheme?  Is McFadden going to fit this scheme?  How about the guys in the secondary?  Is it heavy man or zone? 

I am going to be skeptical until I see results. 

Great post. I think the Olivier Vernon callback is a fair caution. If Burns plays like Vernon, good but not great, I think he eventually gets traded or cut. And I'm in complete agreement with your concerns regarding the offense. The Giants took a shot here. They have a lot more work to do if they're going to turn this thing around.
#11
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants still RB shopping
March 13, 2024, 09:45:06 AM
Dillon and Singletary would be a nice one-two punch.
#12
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Rate the Brian Burns trade
March 13, 2024, 09:40:52 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2024, 09:37:36 AMThe Giants could have signed Josh Allen for that sort of money and kept their draft picks
They should have drafted Josh Allen (the edge rusher) when they had the chance a few years back. I don't believe he's available but would love to have him if he is.
#13
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Rate the Brian Burns trade
March 13, 2024, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2024, 09:21:42 AMThe only way a team can have sustained success is through the draft.  If they can't draft well, that needs to be corrected rather than trying to work around the issue.
The Giants have to get better at scouting and player development. No argument from me. But investing draft capital in a proven edge rusher like Burns makes more sense to me than throwing another dart at a college pass rusher like Azeez, Elerson, Ximines, Lorenzo Carter, Odigi, Damontre Moore, Clint Sintim... the list of failed edge picks goes back 20 years before we get to a hit in Osi. We needed a better pass rush and we now have a better pass rush.
#14
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Rate the Brian Burns trade
March 13, 2024, 09:24:57 AM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 13, 2024, 09:12:50 AMThe draft pick capital invested is a great value, the amount of cap space invested will remain to be seen.
Who did you want to use the cap space on? The team needs star players and those guys don't grow on trees. As it stands, it's a 3 year commitment to Burns, so he will need to live up to expectations if he wants to see the full contract paid out, and the cap hit is much easier to swallow once Daniel Jones is off the team next year.
#15
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Rate the Brian Burns trade
March 13, 2024, 09:09:28 AM
I think we need to consider this trade with the understanding that the Giants are not good at the draft. When was the last time they drafted a player as good as Burns in the 2nd round?

Burns, Thibs, and Dex have a chance to be special over the next half decade. We needed to make a move like this.