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The talent available
While there is good depth, there aren

Thanks Ceri,
A lot for me to enjoy looking at. I like the size of all these guys as I don't like tall RB's.
Bob

I am in the minority in thinking the Giants should go after a RB with the 32nd pick.  IMO the Giants started getting hot at the end of the season when they were getting some better production out of the running game. The reason for this is b/c AB came back although not healthy but healthier and the slight improvement in the OLine. If the Giants pick Lamar Miller I believe he instantly upgrades the explosiveness of the offense. The opposing defenses would HAVE to pay attention to the home run hitter in Miller and also the explosiveness of the receivers. If the Giants stay pat with what they have at RB or pick one of these "violent runners" the offense doesn't improve IMO. So I wouldn't be disappointed with a RB picked at 32nd.

Nice write up by the way  :D

Do you truly believe that Jerry Reese will trade down in the first round, Ceri?

Quote from: Vette on April 09, 2012, 09:16:37 AM
Do you truly believe that Jerry Reese will trade down in the first round, Ceri?

Depends on who is available and with what grade. If for instance we have 5 we like with similar grades available at 32 why wouldn't we go down a few spots into the top of the 2nd knowing we're still likely to have a choice between at least 3 of them if dropping 5 spots?

If however we have five we like and one has a far higher grade we take them and forget about trades.

Similarly, if we only have two guys we like with similar 1st round grades we pick one because the odds are poor on us getting either if we trade out of the 1st round altogether - we know what the team needs are of those sitting behind us so we'll have a fair idea whether they will take one of the guys we like if we pass them up to drop down.

Ceri,

While trading down makes sense for the Giants, the other question who does it make sense trading up?  I would think most teams would be in a similar position as the Giants and not inclined to move up.   In the past most trades in this area tend to involve a team moving up to draft a QB so they can say they got their first round QB (there seems to be a stigma if you grab your QB in the second round). 

I thought that the Giants/Reese could have traded down the last couple of years and obtained great value but he never pulled the trigger.

The talent available
There is decent quality of depth at both LT and RT positions that will last well into the second day of the draft (if not beyond) but few will have an immediate impact. There is only one

Good job Ceri.  Andrews is a free agent though.  He was placed on IR but he only had a one year deal.

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Thank you!

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 15, 2012, 08:38:16 AM
Good job Ceri.  Andrews is a free agent though.  He was placed on IR but he only had a one year deal.

Oops, I'll amend that now

A god read as always Ceri. Based on this preview you obviously see guys like Glenn and Osemele as OGs at the pro level

Quote from: DesG89 on April 15, 2012, 11:20:01 AM
A god read as always Ceri. Based on this preview you obviously see guys like Glenn and Osemele as OGs at the pro level

Correct. I see Osemele as the type of player who if played at RT could get his QB killed. Hopefully he''ll get drafted by Philadelphia and be played there then  =))

Ceri, I like Ballard, got him in My Mock. He might be alittle better than u give him credit for as a check-down RB. Ballard had 10 catches for 106 yards & a TD in 2010, 20 catches for 187 yards & a TD in 2011. He's got good hands & has a nose for that 1st Down marker. He's built like a Pro & gets the yards that r there. Agree in that his skill set is a good fit for our needs.
Durable as well, saw no injury history on him. He's a good ST'er, hustles & seeks contact.

Ceri, I share your views on RBs so closely, I need not comment except in regard to "trading out" of 32. Two things would be required for it to even be a consideration: 1. Someone would have to make them a really good offer. 2. It would not cost them a shot at a player they really wanted.     

Cheers!

Really well done, and spot on as usual.

Many thanks.

Cheers!

The talent available
There is very good depth at Guard this year with future starters likely to be taken well into the mid rounds and several very good prospects available. You could go so far as to say there is a veritable smorgasbord of talent to suit both zone blocking and power schemes.

The Giants seemingly have a prototype for the position of a no taller than 6

Good stuff Ceri. This was the preview I was waiting for since unlike many who believe we're good inside with Boothe & Petrus, I think an upgrade in talent is needed. Was hoping you'd give an opinion on Osemele & Washington but since you don't see them as prototypes I understand. An omission of Konz suggests either there's going to be a center preview or you don't see him as a fit either.

I've watched Silatolu's near 13 minute highlight reel & not only am I intrigued but would have no problem if his name was called at 32 or in a trade down.Heck if Glenn falls & he's the pick I'll do backflips. I watch this kid & I think he has Shawn Andrews type ability

Ceri & DesG89, my concern wouldn't be Petrus or Boothe. Believe they made enough of a statement last season to feel good with them @ LG in 2012. My concern is Snee. Was last year a hiccup? Or was it the harbinger of things to come? I believe the later (Ceri). He's got alot of wear on his 30 year old body. Believe our interior line selection should be designed as Snee's replacement. That's why in My Mock I have us selecting James Brown from Troy. Although he excelled @ LT, his skill set & Frame will be better suited for G @ the next level. Brown lost 50 lbs. of bad weight & consistently maintained his current playing weight.

Brown @ 6' - 4" 306 lbs. is an agile red shirt Sr. OL with long arms (34 1/2") & powerfull hands, & a 5.3 40. This Prospect excels in drive blocking. Bit raw in his technique, nothing Coach Flaherty can't handle. Thinkin' Brown's quick feet, & no-quit attitude will be a good fit for us @ RG. Some may think I'm a bit high with his selection @ #63 overall, but I'm sold on this Prospect, & wouldn't want to lose him while waiting for our our next selection @ #94 overall to arrive.
No injury history seen.

I think Matt McCant would be a great fit for the giants. The rest of the division has a lot of speed rushers and McCant has really long arms and can move his feet pretty quick for a guy his size. We should be able to get him in the 4th round

I really like Ronnie Hillman from San diego St here. I know he is on the small side and has problems holding onto the ball but he is a touchdown machine and Coughlin can correct the fumbling issue. Plus we can get him in the 4th round.

  I really like the idea of Massie, although I suspect that the Giants would not go in that direction so quickly after taking Brewer.  Not that I think Massie is not better, but that I don't see the Giants going for another RT type and giving up on Brewer so quickly.

  FWIW, I would love an OT, but I suspect that the Giants are comfortable rolling with Beatty, Diehl, Brewer, and Locklear for this year.  Just my suspicion.

They brought in Gray for an evaluation.

Oh dear, Mike Adams!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/19/report-mike-adams-tested-positive-for-pot-at-scouting-combine/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/19/report-mike-adams-tested-positive-for-pot-at-scouting-combine/)

Quote from: DanUK on April 19, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
Oh dear, Mike Adams!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/19/report-mike-adams-tested-positive-for-pot-at-scouting-combine/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/19/report-mike-adams-tested-positive-for-pot-at-scouting-combine/)

LOL. I'm thanking my lucky stars for this news. Yet another red flag on this guy all but assures me that the Giants WON'T be selecting him in the 1st round  =D>

There has been some talk about teams potentially trading up to take the QB Weeden, from OK State.  I for one, think that the 32nd pick will generate some interest.....especially with the emphasis that the 1st pick of the second round draws at this point. 

Not saying the GIANTS trade out...but if it's a back we are looking at, and I think we will be...I agree that we can trade down and still get quality....

Sounds very bad for him, like he is so addicted he couldn't go a week or two witrhout it. And reading the comments on the reporting website, it seems there are a LOT of marijuana addicts out there, justifying it's use.

The did a mock draft on moving the chains  on friday and they had the giants taking Adams. They followed by saying they wont have any problem taking him because they took the same risk with brashaw and that turned out ok. I was thinking bradshaw was drafted in the 7th round not the first, so there is a huge difference. 7th rounders are not expected to produce like bradshaw has.

Reese stated that the players from 15-30 have the same value so I think if one of them falls to the giants at 32 they wont trade the pick because they feel they are getting a top 15 player. If those guys are all taken I can def see them trading down if they can get what they want.

I really see the giants getting a tackle over a guard only because they have more depth at guard and guards are easier and less expensive to get then Tackles. If they do take a guard then it will be late in the draft, nothing higher than their 2nd, 4th round pick

The talent available
As usual there is a handful of top end talent with depth lasting into the third day of the draft and likely to produce future starters fitting into all kinds of offensive schemes and different players appealing to different teams for different reasons.

The Giants like speed and playmaking ability. They like players with the ability to catch the ball downfield on the wide outside and they like guys in the slot who can catch the ball underneath and make big plays after the catch as well as stretching the middle of the field. In terms of size they don

Another outstanding job Ceri!  Well done :ok:

I think Stephen Hill will be taken before the Giants pick at 32 but not definitely.  I will be very interested to see what they do if he is there.  Reese has been known to go after pure talent (i.e. JPP and Osi).

I think Sanu would be a great fit for the Giants. We all saw what happened to this team when Nicks dropped that ball in the Washington game. Sanu catches everything and will do the one thing that Eli loves his receivers to do and that is be agressive and go up into the air and get the ball when Eli throws up one of his famous jump balls.

I like Sanu over every receiver but Hill. Hill would be the one I would want but he wont be in there in the second and probably not even in the first. We should take Fleener in the first and Sanu in the second.

I don't agree with your Sanu evaluation. I don't enough about the other wide receivers to make a legitimate comparison but I think Sanu would make a valuable contribution to this team if he was available at the end of the 2nd round.  By the end of the 3rd round, I think he'd be a steal but as with all rounds, it depends on who else is available when the Giants pick.  Sanu played for a few different offensive coordinators with radically different offensive philosophies and he came into the program as a defensive back/quarterback having had no experience as a wide receiver.  He played with lots of different QBs none of whom will ever suit up in the NFL and for several years playing alongside absolutely atrocious offensive lines.  He was always the player that the opposition wanted to take away so he was always double teamed and often triple teamed which I think explains the yards after catch issue (if there is an issue).  He has very good hands and is fearless in going over the middle and is strong the way Hakeem Nicks is strong.  I also think he runs faster than his 40 time in the same way that Victor Cruz does.  Cruz does not have a great 40 but I saw him run away from defenders who had much better 40 times. I think Sanu (and Cruz) are fast football players not track people. 

Sanu can be valuable in every aspect of the special teams both as a return person and covering both punts and kickoffs.  He is a very good tackler and a solid citizen with very good work habits and no off the field issues.  He also ran the wildcat well. 

As a disclaimer, I am a Rutgers fan and both of my sons went there so I saw alot of him over the years. Initially, I expected him to be a 1st round pick and that does not seem like it's going to happen.  But, I couldn't disagree more with your assessment that you don't want Sanu on the Giants.  Coughlin and Manning, in my opinion, would love him on the team. It just depends who else is available when the Giants pick.

timing in this draft is key with the WR's this year.  some are reaches in the first round and blue light sale bargains if they fall to the 3rd.  lots to pick from.  I see us taking a WR in the first three rounds and I hope it's a guy with Nicks' size or better...another Plax.  unless we think, as JR implies, that we already have that guy and his name is barden.  one of the many write-ups [on yahoo] saw KWright as a potential bust.  like all the other positions, we don't have a glaring need.  I hope to see 2 OL in the top 5 picks, likely a WR & RB and probably a safety.  We did our LB drafting last year unless a real gem slips to us.    this could be a very intriguing draft for us Giants fans.

The talent available
This has to be the weakest position in the draft by far as not only are there few top end talents, there are actually very few players available that even merit being drafted. Needless to say this preview didn't take very long to write!

What do I think the Giants should do?
The Giants lost both starting TE Jake Ballard and back-up Travis Beckum to torn ACL

So many H-back types.  Where are the true TEs?

I don't know where he fits value-wise, but doesn't USC's Rhett Ellison seem like a perfect fit for the Giants?

Rhett Ellison, USC:

He isn't as athletic as others in this draft, but he is versatile, having also lined up as fullback and wide receiver for the Trojans. Ellison's father, Riki, played linebacker for the 49ers and Raiders.

Rhett Ellison made the transition from tight end to fullback last fall, a move that not only helped the Trojans but helped Ellison be ranked as the No. 1 fullback in the draft by ESPN.  Ellison is just under 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds with dependable skills and a strong work ethic. When the NFL scouts call Lane Kiffin to ask about Ellison, he certainly will tell them about the fact that USC renamed its team leadership award after Ellison. If there are still any doubts about his pedigree, scouts can look to his father Riki, a former USC linebacker who won two Super Bowls in a nine-year NFL career.

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Quote from: MP21WAYS2PAY on April 26, 2012, 11:44:32 AM
I don't know where he fits value-wise, but doesn't USC's Rhett Ellison seem like a perfect fit for the Giants?

Rhett Ellison, USC:

He isn't as athletic as others in this draft, but he is versatile, having also lined up as fullback and wide receiver for the Trojans. Ellison's father, Riki, played linebacker for the 49ers and Raiders.

Rhett Ellison made the transition from tight end to fullback last fall, a move that not only helped the Trojans but helped Ellison be ranked as the No. 1 fullback in the draft by ESPN.  Ellison is just under 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds with dependable skills and a strong work ethic. When the NFL scouts call Lane Kiffin to ask about Ellison, he certainly will tell them about the fact that USC renamed its team leadership award after Ellison. If there are still any doubts about his pedigree, scouts can look to his father Riki, a former USC linebacker who won two Super Bowls in a nine-year NFL career.

Yes.  I thought so.

Quote from: MP21WAYS2PAY on March 10, 2017, 01:40:23 PM
Yes.  I thought so.

Good call!   =D>

Interesting trivia, Ellison was picked right after Reese drafted the "JPP of TEs"