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General Category => NFL Draft, NY Giants style => Topic started by: UKGiantsFan on April 25, 2017, 08:02:33 AM

Title: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: UKGiantsFan on April 25, 2017, 08:02:33 AM
For those of you who have taken the time to listen to the podcast I thank you as it saved me an awful lot of writing in order to get my views across as to positions I think the Giants should consider, the type of players that I believe are 'fits' and where I would consider taking them.

My complete 'Giants only' draft board is below. Simple premise really. Those not selected by other teams that aren't taken by the Giants in the designated round drop down to be the top targets in the following round. As we take a player at a position of need those playing the same position come 'off the board' altogether reducing the talent pool available.

There purposely aren't any WR's, G's, C's or FB's listed by design as I don't believe we will take on additional help at those positions. Similarly, I don't believe we'd select a QB before the 3rd round - and I see very few 'fits' for our drop-back passing scheme who have the talent to succeed Eli in a couple of years time - or a DB though as espoused in another thread earlier today if we did look at a corner USC's Adoree Jackson would be the lone one I'd consider, and largely because he has amazing return skills and could help offer big plays on ST's without the need to risk OBJ.

Additionally, with the exception of Cam Robinson, I have removed all those with first round talent who also have 'red flags' be they for character, injury or motivational issues as I can't see us selecting one of them.

Have at it!

(http://i.imgur.com/ROfHuMa.png)
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: The Chief on April 25, 2017, 08:06:40 AM
Huh?  All I see is a little "x".
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: MightyGiants on April 25, 2017, 08:18:30 AM
Quote from: The Chief on April 25, 2017, 08:06:40 AM
Huh?  All I see is a little "x".

I fixed it for him
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: UKGiantsFan on April 25, 2017, 08:21:24 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2017, 08:18:30 AM
I fixed it for him

Thanks Rich  =D>
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: Ed Vette on April 25, 2017, 08:26:03 AM
Thanks, Ceri!
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: Dumpster Dan on April 25, 2017, 10:22:44 AM
Ceri


  Bottom line

If the Giants get seven players from this list, in any order, they will have had a very productive draft

DD
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: gregf on April 25, 2017, 09:57:12 PM
Great work as always!  Thanks so much!

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Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: The Chief on April 26, 2017, 07:30:10 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2017, 08:18:30 AM
I fixed it for him

Thanks.  Beautiful work Ceri.
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: TXGiant on April 26, 2017, 05:43:08 PM
Ceri, incredible work, as always, on your draft analysis. I will disclose up front that I am very biased with regard to this topic but I have one question: I realize this draft is a RB heavy class but why have you largely overlooked Khalid Abdullah from JMU?  He had an amazing college career (until this year splitting carries) and is the kind of versatile RB that could thrive in the Giants offense. I'm not suggesting we would draft Khalid early, but in round 7 or as a preferred FA he could be gem. He is a stellar person off the field- and the Giants had him in for a visit.

https://jamesmadison.rivals.com/news/espn-s-kiper-likes-khalid
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: Doc16LT56 on April 26, 2017, 10:44:57 PM
George Kittle is the TE the Giants need. Round 3 --- PLEASE let this happen!
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: Bob In PA on April 26, 2017, 10:58:59 PM
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on April 26, 2017, 10:44:57 PM
George Kittle is the TE the Giants need. Round 3 --- PLEASE let this happen!

Doc:  Kittle is also one of my favorite players in this draft.  I suppose it could happen, but the Giants haven't had much recent success selecting players from Iowa (my second-favorite Big Ten school).  Bob
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: tonyt830 on April 27, 2017, 01:36:18 AM
Thanks UK!  One question though. I know you have Watkins and Adams listed as 4th rd targets.  Do you think the 3rd rd for either would be a reach?
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: umassgrad on April 27, 2017, 03:26:28 AM
This is great! I will have this open to see how we do tomorrow.
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: UKGiantsFan on April 27, 2017, 03:35:00 AM
Quote from: tonyt830 on April 27, 2017, 01:36:18 AM
Thanks UK!  One question though. I know you have Watkins and Adams listed as 4th rd targets.  Do you think the 3rd rd for either would be a reach?

Yes, that's why they're in R4 not R3  :laugh:

Quote from: TXGiant on April 26, 2017, 05:43:08 PM
Ceri, incredible work, as always, on your draft analysis. I will disclose up front that I am very biased with regard to this topic but I have one question: I realize this draft is a RB heavy class but why have you largely overlooked Khalid Abdullah from JMU?  He had an amazing college career (until this year splitting carries) and is the kind of versatile RB that could thrive in the Giants offense. I'm not suggesting we would draft Khalid early, but in round 7 or as a preferred FA he could be gem. He is a stellar person off the field- and the Giants had him in for a visit.

https://jamesmadison.rivals.com/news/espn-s-kiper-likes-khalid

The list isn't exhaustive. It's pretty deep but there are a few people I could have added at T like Adam Bisnowaty (Pitt) or Conor McDermott (UCLA) who will both go in R4/5 as well as at other positions but for Eli's sake I hope we're not getting into deeper fallback options at that position!! I don't know Abdullah. I've actually seen everyone play that is on my board!
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: londonblue on April 27, 2017, 06:56:59 AM
My ESPN stats geek cousin is convinced Garcia is not getting out of round 2 in a weak OT draft class it is his belief he may be the best after one year of NFL strength and technique work. He thinks that view is now quite widely shared on the to side but how teams see it is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: UKGiantsFan on April 28, 2017, 06:27:22 AM
Quote from: londonblue on April 27, 2017, 06:56:59 AM
My ESPN stats geek cousin is convinced Garcia is not getting out of round 2 in a weak OT draft class it is his belief he may be the best after one year of NFL strength and technique work. He thinks that view is now quite widely shared on the to side but how teams see it is anyone's guess.

I might be a little low on Garcia but he's a pass blocker only in my mind too weak to make much of an impact in the running game.
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: JoeP on April 28, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
Ceri are moonlighting for the Pats?
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: USAFgiant on May 03, 2017, 03:06:28 AM
Ceri,

Long time follower, but I don't post much.  Question: If I read your board correctly, I infer you must be reasonably happy, correct?

+ In R1, we got TE Evan Engram, a guy in a higher level (Pro Bowl).
+/- In R2, we got DT Davlin Tomlinson, a guy you targeted for R2.
- In R3, we got QB Davis Webb, a guy not not on your board.
+ In R4, we got RB Wayne Gallman, a guy in a higher level (R3).
- In R5 and R6, we got guys you didn't target but at positions of need.

Granted, they may not have been in the order you wanted, but they seem like reasonable picks:
+ TE to beat the Cover 2 looks that consistently contained the O last year.
+ DT who's big, strong, ready to plug in and play now, and who wowed the staff during interviews (unlike Cunningham).
+/- QB who McAdoo liked and who can develop over time.
+ RB to complement Perkins.
+/- DE with classic Giants DE frame and twitch from a small program with big program pedigree and off-field issues that are presumably behind him.
+/- OT with a lot of experience giving an immediate chance to be a swing tackle along with some upside if he reverts to pre-2016 form.

My take is this was a solid haul: Nothing spectacular, with no obvious mistakes, but with some upside potential on several picks, most notably Webb.

What do you think?
Title: Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
Post by: gregf on May 03, 2017, 03:25:46 AM
Nice post USAF!

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