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#1
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 27, 2024, 12:03:45 PMYes, I had never considered the point he made about how the O-line performance is essentially independent of the rest of the team.

Wasn't it George Young who said 'show me a team that is struggling and I'll show you a team with a struggling offensive line '?
#2
Big Blue Huddle / Re: QB Michael Pratt Pro Day
March 26, 2024, 03:40:30 PM
Maybe the Giants not showing interest is part of their smokescreen.
#3
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Daboll at the owner's meeting
March 26, 2024, 02:31:37 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 26, 2024, 09:45:50 AMFirst comments from Brian Daboll on new #NYGiants defensive coordinator Shane Bowen: "He's done a great job in the running game the last few years at Tennessee, in the red zone and third down. I think he's got a great way about him. He's an excellent teammate. He was good with the X's and O's in the interview. He was good with fundamentals and I thought he was a very good communicator and teacher of the things that he really believes in. He's done a good job with Rome [Henderson] and Dre [Patterson] and those guys have added their pieces to it. B-Cox and Ben [Burress] and [Mike] Treier, and all the guys that were here, I've been pleased with how they've worked together here these last couple months. Very happy these first two months with Shane."

https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1772614584228094144?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ


I hope he's right about Bowen and the run defense, because Lord knows this should be a focus for improvement.  IMO the 2 worst aspects of last year's team was (obviously) the OL and the run defense.
#4
Quote from: Painter on March 26, 2024, 12:16:38 PMI think of it as common sense; certainly not paranoia. Let's not project our own frailties and foibles toward others especially when it's little more than media-serving. How about that? Ya think?

Cheers


It IS common sense, however the previous administration demonstrated that common sense was an oxymoron.
#5
No big deal, games near the end of December aren't important.  /sarcasm/
#6
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Predictions
March 25, 2024, 07:16:14 PM
I predict that someone will make a prediction that is correct and attribute it to perspicacity rather than to probability.
#7
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Mara from the owner's meeting
March 25, 2024, 03:19:04 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 25, 2024, 02:35:43 PMThe Giants are in a tough position.  Normally, a team would just cut the guy and take the roughly $6 million in cap savings.  However, since the Giants spent a third-round pick on him, it would be embarrassing if all the Giants netted for that pick was a partial (due to injuries) one-year rental.  So the Giants are just going to give him all the time he needs, hoping he decides to come back.

The Giants shouldn't be worried about being embarrassed over this.  We have a whole long thread about things the Giants should be far more embarrassed by. 
#8
Quote from: T200 on March 25, 2024, 10:40:20 AMYes. That doesn't equate to, "If the line was better, the QBs wouldn't have been injured."

Both Jones and Taylor have a history of injuries.

It is not unreasonable to think that an OL can keep a QB upright for 17 games, but I think you are vastly underselling how horrific the Giants' line play was.  They were last in the league, giving up 5.0 sacks a game.  The next worst team gave up 3.8 sacks per game.  That's a huge difference.  Buffalo gave up sacks on 3.86% of drop backs and it was 4.04% for KC.  The Giants gave up sacks on 14.10% of drop backs.  That is a huge difference. 

The last time a team has given up sacks on 14.10% of drop backs since 2011 is never.  It was rare for a team to give up 10% over that time span.  The last time a team has given up 5.0 sacks per game over that timespan is never.  Only twice in those years did a team give up 4 or more. 

So the OL wasn't just not very good, it was historically unsurpassed in its badness in the last 13 years.
#9
I do not think they should draft a QB until we have seen a season of actually competent play by the OL.  I also do not think they should draft an OL sooner than the 3rd round.  They already have 2 first rounders and a second rounder, and only one of the three has proven, so far, to be any good.  Bad talent assessment?  Bad coaching?

Great teams flip the script on the league's consensus narrative.  So I'd like the Giants to go against the grain and really build up the defense.  Field a defense that gives up less than 20 points per game or less.  And can take on the elite QBs and make them poop their pants.  The chances of getting a Mahomes or Brady, the only real game changers IMO, are miniscule so build a defense that can stop them.  It's how we won our last 3, and arguably all four, of our Superbowls.
#10
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 25, 2024, 11:06:37 AMThe Offensive Line was upgraded at both Guard positions and it's expected that JMS takes a step forward. It remains to be seen if Evan Neal is the incumbent RT, although I do expect him to start the season there. Either way, the Line should be improved with the new Oline Coach.


Unfortunately we've been saying the same thing for ten years.  I distinctly remember saying, in the last off-season, that at last the OL was moving in the right direction with some good looking pick-ups and a good coach in Bobby Johnson.  And then Lucy pulled the football away yet again.  So I'm not buying 'expected to do this or that' unless and until I see it on the field.  The curse of scapegoating Gilbride remains strong.
#11
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Mara from the owner's meeting
March 25, 2024, 01:46:48 PM
Just.Shut.Up
#12
Maybe the worst thing was having so many viable candidates for the worst thing.
#13
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2024, 07:44:49 PMI think the worse thing that happened to the Giants was firing Tom Coughlin and keeping Jerry Reese, followed by hiring David Gettlmen.

I'd throw in forcing Coughlin to fire Gilbride.  A guy who gives you consistent top ten offenses doesn't grow on trees and his one bad year that was the basis for the firing was pure scapegoating because it wasn't on him, it was the start of the Giants personnel decine, particularly on the OL.
#14
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 24, 2024, 02:49:17 PMAZ: You're right.  And you're right. lol

If I had to pick a drafting mistake it would be picking Barkley at #2. Not that it's a knock on Barkley - under the rules and conditions of today I wouldn't pick Jim Brown at #2.
#15
You didn't specify drafting mistake so I am going with hiring Gettleman as GM.