Big Blue Huddle

We will know soon. The Giants need better players. That definitely starts at QB but it applies to pretty much every area of the team. It is not a one year fix. The argument is really about the order things get addressed.

I am coming round to our likeliest option being a trade back to late round 1 (Buffalo and 49ers both reportedly keen to come up into WR range) to add a day 2 pick this year and a R1 2025 pick. It would let us tackle an extra need this year and give us ammunition to go for QB1 or 2 from next year's shallower pool.

This makes sense to me because I think we get outbid in trade up discussions to get QB 3 or 4 in this year's supposedly bumper crop but I do expect us to at least try.

We do not have enough picks to fill all our holes so my priority this draft is emerging with at least two clear stars at positions of need and hoping we can raise the floor a little with the other picks. I would consider a moderate trade back in R1 for eg a proven starting corner and a high enough R1 pick to get another starter.

To me after 35+ years in business it is not either/or. Adaptability matters. Collaboration improves outcomes if it does not elevate consensus as a goal rather than a means to an end.

Many of the most successful CEOs are the most collaborative but are also not afraid to make big decisions and tough calls even if key team members disagree.

For all of Bellichick's dogma he was intensely collaborative with his staff (coaches and front office guys he had a role in recruiting/promoting) within the limits of the processes and structures he designed. In his later years he resisted owner/GM interference to the point he changed that power dynamic.

What we are seeing is billionaire owners and their more easily influenced generation of new, younger GMs trying to go back to the hierarchy Walsh nailed so eloquently. There is less tolerance for outspoken coaches who manage upwards aggressively and resist downward orders equally aggressively.

As so often the right answer is probably in the middle somewhere. Early Bill worked well with Kraft. Parcells and Coughlin worked well with their owners (some GM tension, particularly for TC early days). Andy Reid works really well with Brett Veach.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 18, 2024, 01:28:02 PMNeil,

I think if the Giants do go QB in round one, it will be 2022 all over again.  The Giants will have Jones on yet another one year prove it situation.

If we take a QB in R1 Jones will have a year to earn himself a decent trade to a team where he will get a chance to compete because unless he either turns into peak Steve Young or takes a massive contract restructure and pay cut he is not here in 2025.

Actions speak louder than words. In free agency we added a guy who can start a few if needed but is not the threat that eg Russell Wilson would be. In a week we will see if we draft a QB R1. If so, DJ is on the way out. If not, DJ is the projected starter even if we take a QB day 2 or 3. We will rehash the same old arguments on here come what may'

That is what comes from our roster having more holes than a lace curtain.

Slayton is a good player. Reliable in generally difficult days. He has been a good soldier taking less to stay in the past. He is calling his shot and has earned the right to try it. Of course it might backfire if we draft a WR at 6. We might then see him as a tradeable asset to gain a pick or move up a round mid draft in a pick swap. He should have suitors. Let us see how it pans out.

Quote from: WheresDayne on April 18, 2024, 10:59:58 AMAccording to Daniel Jeremiah, his third pillar is "Playmakers" and that would definitely include running backs.

A strong running game also benefits pass protection as it alters how teams defend against you and puts you in fewer third and long obvious blitz situations.

Slayton can be a steady WR2 on a team with a top WR1 and a slot threat. If he is realistic on his value he could be about to become that for us but he could also find himself WR4 behind Hyatt.

I can see that if we draft a WR at 6 he could get traded in draft to a receiver needy team like KC, NE, Denver or Buffalo with us getting eg a 4th in return for our 5th or an outright mid/late 5th.

Mighty, I believe the Rutgers and Penn St guys were local visit day with the possible exception of Isaac who I think came in separately. Hicks should be on there as a 30. As always we will never know exactly but you are doing a great job trying to track it so thank you!

He will be 73 by next season. Nobody is appointing him as HC. Some kind of advisory or mentoring role perhaps, but not HC.

He'd be better advised devoting his still impressive brain to undermining his former boss in the coaching fraternity as effectively as Kraft has been undermining Bill in the owners fraternity.

The Patriots probably deserve 40 years largely in the wilderness (like 1960-2000) for how badly Bill handled Brady late tenure and how badly Kraft has handled Bill.

The latest 30 visit is Virginia Tech DE/DT Pheldarius Payne per Ryan Fowler and others. A later day 3 option for 3T compared to R1 Johnny Newton who has also been reported.

Per Raanan:

Arizona OT Jordan Morgan is visiting the #Giants on Tuesday, per source. Also visited with the #Jets and the #Commanders on deck.

Morgan is a potential late first-round prospect. Would likely involve the Giants moving around to land him. They currently pick sixth and 47th.

I do not think Daboll gets fired because QB play sucks with DJ/Lock unless all the other stuff blows up around him again and our problems are much more widespread. Mara is clearly fed up changing horses and worried the instability is hurting us. IMO he won't hang the HC if the team plays hard and the mood music is happier staff and a unified locker room.

If they want a RT it makes a lot of sense for them trade with Minny (if AZ stay put and take Harrison) to get the two firsts. Use one on Latham and the other BPA, which might be a WR. There are also plenty of good WR day two who would start day one for them but would be more rotational pieces for teams with better rooms.