Big Blue Huddle

Accumulating draft capital is always good in my mind as the so-called quality at the top often does not correlate to NFL success.  Love the more bites at the apple strategy.

If the Giants want a QB, they like all four QBs they can trade to 4 and give up less to trade two places than say in 2025 if they are maybe 10th and have to trade up to 1st or 2nd pick.

It's all about their real need for a QB and whether they like 1, 2, 3 or 4 QBs

Draftable as what?  Unless we know where their grades were it is sort of meaningless.  Also I am sure every year they have draftable grades in players who return to school.  Sort of a meaningless comment without more context.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 11:59:15 AMTake Eli Manning:

Here are Manning's stats by year.  Consider two years.  In 2014, the Giants added OBJ, and in 2018, the Giants added Barkley.  Look at Eli's QB rating, and QBR jumps from the two additions.   The addition of OBJ had a much greater impact on Eli's production than the addition of Barkley.  Be mindful that early in his career, Barkley was a much bigger weapon in the passing game.

Rich - you can't draw a conclusion from one example.  The Giants OL when they drafted Barkley was not as effective which was why so many of us were screaming for Nelson to be drafted for OL.

Rich - I simply can't buy that.  With a great OL and strong running game you can win with average WRs as they can always eventually get open with great pass blocking.  A great running game does not allow a DL to just focus on getting to the QB.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:02:25 AMSo then we haven't been wasting Slayton, and we didn't waste Hyatts rookie year?

Any other team and Slayton is a 1000 yard wr every year and a solid #2. Any other team and Hyatt has a productive rookie year.

Yes a little has to do with the oline but if the qb refuses to go downfield then there's really nothing anyone else can do. Because Slayton and Hyatt ran open a lot last season because teams knew we wouldn't go deep.

I agree.  The lack of downfield shots was atrocious.  No way Hyatt should have had as quiet a year.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 10:35:06 AMSlayton is a solid stretch the defense guy.  He is not a #1 or X or however you want to state it.  As the Giants leading receiver in 4 of the last 5 years, he is being covered by guys that cover #1s and has still been productive on a team that hasnt had good pass protection or consistent QB play.  I think he is trade bait at some point, be it during the draft or afterwards. 

There are some teams with good QBs who are currently lacking WR talent and if they get their #1 in the draft, he could be an excellent complement.  Or if they lose out on a 3rd rounder they coveted. 

At the same time I dont think the Giants should give him a multi-year deal with 50% or more guaranteed.

Do you think good QB play and good OL play would elevate Slayton's play further or is he sort of maxed out and at his ceiling?  In another words, can he become a very good X?

I think he processes fine.  I dont think he trusts his protection which he should not given how bad it was but that lack of trust is also making him unwilling to take shots down the field.  The latter is why I think the Giants need to move on from him.

He's the most at risk of loss in playing time should Nabers or Odunze be drafted.

How much of the media attention on Clark is because she is white?  Would a black female accomplishing what Clark did be receiving the same attention?  How many of you would even care or be posting about it?

How is a strong running game not included?

Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 17, 2024, 06:55:13 PMReported to be 9-7/8".

Thanks.  Big hands as well

Anyone know what Nabers hand size is?  OBJ was only 5'11" but played X well because he could leap and had 10" hands which are very large for a person his size who could really snatch the ball.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 17, 2024, 05:58:42 PMNo, I think the D was bad all on their own.

Yes, the offense was awful. But this is what I've been saying for months. This team from top to bottom stinks - offense, defense, specials.

It's why trading draft picks isn't wise. It's why thinking that a 21-year-old QB is going to make a difference is illogical. And it's why we can't repeat the fallacy of 2022 that this is a multi-year rebuild.

That's why they should avoid drafting QB4. Ideally, they would trade down with Minn or LV, draft a WR, RT, and CB with 3 top 50 picks. Hope to get lucky with a RB and OG in the 3rd and 4th. And focus on development and progress this year.

After this season, move on from DJ, add 3 more starters from next year's draft class, and now you have the makings of a competitive team.

I'd rather roll the dice with a Geno-type QB in 2025 with extra starters and a competitive roster than take a chance on a rookie QB with a crap roster.

I think we could have been a 0.500 or slightky better team with our D however no way with our O.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 17, 2024, 04:04:53 PMI don't buy that excuse either because there was no great disparity in TOP.  29.26 on offense and 30.34 on defense.  And the Giants offense did not give up an inordinate number of turnovers, 12th fewest in the league.

It's easy to say ignore stats and go by the eye test, but stats impose a discipline on the eye test.  They confirm or challenge what you think the eye test is showing you.

I think the offense was so bad that by comparison the defense LOOKED better than it actually was.  Then you have to come up with 'eye test' reasons why the defense was better than it was, but when those eye test reasons are assessed by the discipline of stats they aren't born out.

My conclusion is that the defense was bad.  Not as horrifically bad as the offense, but bad nonetheless.  And that they were bad because they were bad, not because the offense was bad.  The offense managed to hold the ball half the time, so the defense wasn't (or shouldn't have been) exhausted.  The offense gave up fewer than average turnovers.  As for the '3&out" argument, the offense was just below average in average # of plays, so that doesn't wash either.

Just to clarify, this is in response both you and @philosopher.

Your eyes dont lie.  An offense can go 6-9 for 32 yards 0 first downs throwing then complete a 50 yarder because a CB fell down.  Resukt is 7-10 for 82 yards.  Pretty good if looking at stats but my eyes saw the truth which was mostly nothing then a lucky play.