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Quote from: MightyGiants on April 22, 2024, 09:24:01 AMI am beginning to move toward that position.  It does seem that there is talent to be had in the later rounds, but teams are far too focused on round one.   When you look at the top 30 visits, as reported, roughly half the prospects brought in are projected to go round one.  There are 7 rounds in the draft (in the Giants case 6) so half the visits are devoted to round one and half the remaining visits are left for the next five picks.

I think it's done more as a smokescreen and it's a waste of time. They should only be bringing in those players they need to learn more about. If they don't know this QB Draft Class by now, they never will. Now Nabors would be a productive visit because of the character concerns.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 22, 2024, 09:15:48 AMWhile I understand Ed's point, I have a different take.  I think this is a case where the first batter is walking up to the plate in the bottom of the ninth with their team down 3 runs (and no one on base).  A good draft could be the start of a game-winning rally, but it just as easily could be the beginning of the end.

The reality is the team's talent level at the start of year three of Schoen's tenure doesn't seem all that different from the talent level he inherited.  While picking 6th is nice, only 6 picks is less than ideal, in light of all the teams remaining needs.

Rich, my point really centers around whether they pick a QB or not and how that molds the future in the near term and long term. Think of the multi-Universe or Dimension theory, where there are many choices taking action and each action creates a reality and that reality can branch off into other realities or Dimensions. This is the year because of the timing with Jones' status and the deep QB Draft Class where one decision can have profound consequences both favorable and unfavorable. For example, those six picks can go down to 4 or five and impact the 2025 Draft if they move up. If they stay and pick a QB, if they stay and pick another position, if they trade back once or twice and the players they choose, QB included or not.

This is a pivotal Draft Year.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 22, 2024, 08:27:50 AMThe funny thing with the 2007 draft is it gave a great bump during their rookie season, but there wasn't much sustained success



1    CB Aaron Ross   
2    WR Steve Smith   
3    DT Jay Alford
4    LS Zak DeOssie   
5    TE Kevin Boss   
6    OL Adam Koets   
7    DB Michael Johnson   
7    RB Ahmad Bradshaw


Pick for pick I think the 2005 draft class was impressive (they were missing picks due to the Eli Manning trade.  When you look at this draft and the Rams draft classes, I wonder if teams spend too much time focusing on their first pick.  It seems like teams that don't have a first-pick draft are better in the other rounds.


2    Corey Webster    43    DB
3    Justin Tuck    74    DE   
4    Brandon Jacobs    110    RB   
6    Eric Moore    186    DE       

Rich, your pound-for-pound analysis as suggested by @AYM got me thinking that by not having a first-round pick, the Scouts and Accorsi were able to concentrate their efforts more on players later in the draft. An enormous amount of time and effort is spent on scouting the first round, visiting schools, attending games, and interviews, and bringing them in for a visit. Even having a late first-round pick requires scouting more than half that class in the event they drop. What do you both think?

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Quote from: Bob In PA on April 21, 2024, 04:22:57 PMEd: I get it but IMO too many of us here view this year's draft in a QB-centric manner, while I personally tend to think the Giants will draft no QB at all. With only six picks (barring some move that lands us one or two extra) IMO it's at least highly doubtful they will even take one on day three. In summation, rather than getting excited, I'm "steeling" myself for the aftermath here if my prediction is correct.    Bob

That's the point, the overall dynamic is something we haven't seen in quite some time. It parallels 2004 and 2018 but the importance mirrors 2004.

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I can't believe you guys don't feel the significance and the excite level of this draft. Not since the 2018 draft. The impact? In 2018 the Giants still had Eli. In 2024, they are riding on Daniel Jones.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 21, 2024, 02:50:27 PMAgain you just have to think Arch feels a bit like he is carrying the burden of his immediate family and his dad versus Peyton and Eli. 

Depends on the man but it is a lot to heap on his shoulders.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 21, 2024, 01:13:16 PMGood point on Texas paying Ewers to come back.

Arch is almost destined to fall short of expectations, because no high school player that I can recall anytime recently has been hyped to the degree he has. We have been hearing about him for three years now or more. He will have to be otherworldly to "live up" to the hype, and clearly the odds don't favor that.

I think Phil makes a good point about him being Cooper's son. I have actually read repeatedly that of the three Archie Manning sons, Cooper was the best natural athlete. I'm not saying he would have been a better QB than Peyton or even Eli, but apparently as younger kids his athleticism was the best of the three of them.

Cooper was a WR and an up-and-coming prospect. He was diagnosed with Spinal Stenosis and it ended any hopes he had of a football career. It must have been devastating for the kid. I read somewhere a while back that he was the best athlete of all the Manning brothers.

I beg to differ on the play caller for the Giants. It's somewhat of a concern for me. Last season it seemed completely out of touch with what was going on on the field for several games.

Just go back and watch the first Dallas game. The Pass Protection struggled yet most of the routes came out of 11 personnel and intermediate to deep routes. Many outside the numbers. With the speed and quickness of Campbell, Shep, Hyatt and later in the season WDR, when there even was a shallow crosser or Dig, it was Waller or Slayton. Never testing the middle of the field in that game and completely void of any shallow mesh. Of course the couple of times there was a crosser, DJ missed its timing or he took off.

My concern is whether they draft a WR like Nabors or Odunze, how effective can they be and if they draft Maye, will he have the time to make those deep throws.

Under the current situation, the most effective QB's for the Giants would likely be Daniels who is out of reach or Bo Nix but they would need to change up those route combinations. They went too often to what DJ said he favored in the Hi-Low deep to intermediate.

I don't know who was responsible for the playbook more, Daboll or Kafka. Even the run plays were so obvious because they felt they needed additional blockers for those rushing schemes and it often was an X or Z only going out. Gone were the plays where there were rush and pass options.

Maybe it's just my perception. 

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