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Nevermind, I was looking at True Pass Sets.

I don't know where Bobby got this from.
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1703810764459413527?s=20

It says one sack and three hurries. No hits. That's excellent. However, I thought there were 3 sacks on DJ. Did he get credited for his own sacks?

Mostly interested in McKethan and Ezeudu.

Rich what were the pressures, hits, and sacks allowed by player?

Quote from: B1GBLUE on September 18, 2023, 12:01:06 PMwe KILLED them on play action in the second half. which is kinda crazy considering the run game wasnt doing much and we kept going back to the PA. bad coaching/play on arizona for that.

Exactly.

Play Action is best served Under Center.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 18, 2023, 11:44:02 AMFor what it's worth, analytics people who have studied this, have found the effectiveness of the running game has little impact on the effectiveness of the use of play action.  While I have heard that more than a few times, I will admit instinctively, I have trouble accepting it completely.  Although I could see how well the QB and RB "sell" the play action might also play a big role in how well it will work.

They do sell it well.

Quote from: BluesCruz on September 18, 2023, 11:43:37 AMEd would you say Barkley has good hands for a RB?
He seems to get in trouble thinking about his next move or where the opponent is rather than just securing the football 1st and foremost.  In his defense, Jones often throws him the ball in traffic....thats on Jones

Other RBs like say Brightwell will work in more open space as opponents assign shadows to Barkley

I think Breda and Grey will be better Receivers.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 18, 2023, 11:32:58 AMKT and Williams combined for 99 snaps, and the Giants got 0s across the board. Wink needs to figure something out with these 2. And if not, I'd like to see more of Basham and Riley.

Maybe it's time to look at the Position Coaches.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 18, 2023, 11:22:24 AMEd,

At this point, if you were a DC, would you focus on stopping Barkley (assuming good health)?

Film shows they bite on play action. But no, only in certain situations because he is in motion often or stays in to block. 17 attempts and take away his long and its 47 yards.

Out of 66 snaps.

Interesting.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 18, 2023, 11:07:52 AMNot sure this is the case.

Against AZ Barkley had-  17 carries 63 yards 3.7 yds/cary 16 yards long    1 TD and caused one INT
receiving in that same game-  6 rec 7 targets 29 yards    4.8 yds/rec 10 yards long 1 TD

Barkley had similar numbers in the Dallas games (some areas a little better some a little worse).


I don't think those numbers indicate crucial contributions that can't be duplicated by others.

"What's missing for sure is the threat of Barkley. That's good and bad. It's bad because play action won't be nearly as effective unless they are effective gaining yards on the ground, so they have to earn it. It's good because they won't load the box unless the run game is effective."

What's missing for sure is the threat of Barkley. That's good and bad. It's bad because play action won't be nearly as effective unless they are effective gaining yards on the ground, so they have to earn it. It's good because they won't load the box unless the run game is effective.

The Giants are done without Saquon Barkley
Overreaction or reality: Reality

Barkley is the cog in the offense that makes the Giants go, specifically Daniel Jones. With Barkley on the field in the second-half comeback, Jones completed 17 of 21 passes for 259 yards with two pass touchdowns while rushing for 58 yards and a touchdown. Jones became just the second player in NFL history with 250 passing yards, 50 rushing yards, two passing touchdowns, and a rushing touchdown in a half.

Barkley's injury is severe enough he won't discuss it, even though one report says it's a sprained ankle. We'll see how long Barkley is out, but the Giants need him if they want to go to the playoffs. Jones can't be the quarterback the Giants want him to be without Barkley on the field.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-2-overreactions-reality-checks-jets-moving-on-from-zach-wilson-how-hot-is-brandon-staley-seat/