Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 10:35:18 AM2 superbowl appearances, 0 superbowl wins. Cowboys own us, but they are still kind of a hot mess. I mean, now we're back to the "can you find a franchise quarterback somewhere else besides the top 10" discussion, which is usually good for 10 pages or more. The truth is sure you can, but the odds are significantly against you. Almost like catching lightning in a bottle. I don't think most teams really even go after later round quarterbacks with a plan to make him the starter. Usually he's drafted as a backup and the stater gets injured and the backup siezes the opportunity. 

If you value Super Bowls, how about the trophies won by the Bucs (Brady), Rams (Stafford), and the Broncos (Manning) none of whom acquired their QB via the draft (even)?

Justin Pugh
@JustinPugh
I was in Arizona when we drafted Korey Cunnigham in 2018. He moved onto the NY Giants and was living in NJ this past year.

Quick story:
We would invite him to the OL dinner every week even though he wasn't on the team which doesn't happen...ever. Team dinners are for players on the team only. Except for Korey....solely because he was beloved by all the guys regardless if you knew him or not! He'd tell stories and we'd laugh our asses off all night.

Today is a sad day but I'll always remember the good times and the laughs. Everyone who knew Korey Cunnigham was better for it. The world lost a great soul.
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https://x.com/PFF_Giants/status/1783864854643671157

Quote from: AYM on Today at 10:21:21 AMI don't get why he's annoyed, the Cowboys traded down and unfortunately for us, still got what looks like a decent LT.

It appears this is who Parsons wanted the Cowboys to draft

https://x.com/_MLFootball/status/1783693109336977592

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:17:02 AMDo Qbr and Qb rating really matter if the qb is only averaging 45 yards a quarter or 180-190 yards a game?

Absolutely, QB rating and QBR are more qualitative stats that show how well a QB takes advantage of the opportunities given versus the raw stats that are most dependant on attempts

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 10:14:48 AMThe only flaw in this reasoning is the assumption that when your team is ready, you just dial 1-800-quarterback and get one. Usually the opportunity to get one doesn't present at the perfect time. That's why middle of the road teams end up with guys like Elvis Grbac, Brad Johnson, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kirk Cousins, and washed up Brett Favre.

On the other side of that coin you have teams like the Eagles, 49ers, and the Cowboys who parlayed talented rosters and QB support into finding their franchise QBs in rounds other than the first one.

Quote from: Gmo11 on Today at 10:08:40 AMHe should be held responsible for his own play though.  Which at times feels like doesn't happen with all the excuse making.

I have to confess that when I read comments like this, I feel like people have become emotionally invested in DJ's outcome.  Are you suggesting that protection and receiving don't matter and that a good QB can magically put up big numbers?  That is clearly what the term "excuse making" suggests.  An impartial observer would refer to what you call "excuse making" as a reasoned appreciation that a QB's performance isn't in a vacuum.  The support a QB receives in terms of coaching, protection, and receiving weapons impacts both their play and their development.  It sure seems like your "feelings" are rather perjurative to those who try to have a deeper appreciation of the game.

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 10:09:53 AMWell said, Bob.  I have high hopes for this pick!  I hope you're well. 

I was intrigued by Brook's and Jeremiah's small study suggesting top 10 WRs have a superior hit rate to the rest of round one.  Matt, any chance you can add when each prospect was drafted to your data? 

Bills bizarrely gift Xavier Worthy to Chiefs with 2024 NFL Draft trade
By Social Links forRyan Dunleavy
Published April 26, 2024, 1:04 a.m. ET
Setting up the Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes apparently wasn't enough for the masochistic Bills.

The NFL draft often creates strange bedfellows when it comes to trades, but few are as hard to explain as the Chiefs-Bills deal late in the first round Thursday night that gifted the fastest player in the class to Mahomes and speed-obsessed head coach Andy Reid.

Xavier Worthy, who recorded an NFL combine-record 4.21-second time in the 40-yard dash, was selected No. 28 by the Chiefs, who traded No. 32 and a third-rounder (No. 95) for No. 28 and a fourth-rounder (No. 133). The teams swapped seventh-rounders, too.

The Chiefs were in the market for a receiver even before last year's top rookie Rashee Rice was arrested, which possibly will lead to a suspension.

The Bills unknowingly handed the Chiefs their biggest nemesis during a 2017 draft trade that landed Mahomes in Kansas City.

Since then, Mahomes has eliminated the Super Bowl-minded Bills from the playoffs three times and become the obstacle preventing counterpart Josh Allen from reaching his full potential.

https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/sports/bills-gift-xavier-worthy-to-chiefs-with-2024-nfl-draft-trade/

https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1783854089320730991

Quote from: LennG on Today at 09:56:27 AMThe people who are the happiest this AM are the people who still believe Jones is the future of this team. Those of us that think Jones is not the QB we need to be able to win know Nabers is a great talent but a great talent needs a good QB to help make his talents excel. Drafting a great WR before we have that talent at QB may well be Barkley II. His talents will be wasted for several years as we try to find a QB who can help him excel.

More like those that are happy, appreciate and understand that quarterbacks need support to develop and even just to function and here is what neutral Athletic writer ranked the Giants support system


6. New York Giants
Pass blocking: F
Run game: C
Weapons: D (potential F)
Play-caller: B
Defense: C

The Giants have Daniel Jones signed for another two seasons but there is buzz that they might make a move in the draft to get one of the top four quarterbacks. The biggest draw New York has is that head coach Brian Daboll and offensive coordinator Mike Kafka have shown they can piece together an offense with toothpicks and paperclips. The Giants surprised the league in 2022, finishing 10th in offensive DVOA, but their lack of overall talent especially on their offensive line caught up to them last season. Andrew Thomas is one of the best left tackles in the league but he can only block one rusher at a time. Jones missed significant time and the Giants finished 30th in offensive DVOA. The Giants' weapons cache is the worst in the league.

If you want to keep drafting QBs just to watch them crash and burn, ala the Jets, by all means let us not get any receiving weapons.

https://theathletic.com/5421402/2024/04/19/2024-nfl-draft-ranking-qb-friendliness/

DEVELOPING: Former NY Giants NFL Player Korey Cunningham Found Dead in New Jersey Home

https://www.rlsmedia.com/article/developing-former-ny-giants-nfl-player-korey-cunningham-found-dead-new-jersey-home

RLS Media was informed by law enforcement sources that Cunningham's death was self-inflicted.

https://x.com/Giants/status/1783847494658535752

https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1783847502204055740

https://x.com/RalphVacchiano/status/1783847542297444369

Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:07:51 AMYou're answering a question with a question. 

Tim,

Did you expect Jones to be somewhere other than at the bottom of the list for deep throws when he had historically bad protection and poor receivers?   That is why I answered a question with a question.  The subtext of your question is that Jones should be held responsible for the historically bad support he received last season.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:03:32 AMIt's still one player.

Wasn't Jones near the bottom of the stat sheet in throws over 20 yards? How exactly is that an echo chamber when the numbers (and watching eyes) bear it out?

Didn't Jones have PFF last-place protection and receiving last season?