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Title: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Philosophers on October 13, 2017, 08:52:16 AM
Other than Saquon Barkley, the OTHER guy who has been getting enormous press about being the best player in the draft is Derwin James, the safety out of FSU.  Big, fast and can play multiple positions.  I simply don't view him as a position of need player for the Giants, yet if they are drafting in top 5, they could have a shot at him and if he is available and they think his talent is too good to pass up, what happens if they take him?

We have positions in which we have clear "Fs" as players so to upgrade to a player who is maybe a B+ would be huge in my opinion.  To upgrade a player who is say a B to A- gets you a much less marginal increase.  Let's face it.  Many "All World" college players don't become Pro Bowl players in NFL so why go after a position that is not as much of a need just because at the current moment he looks like the best player?  Hmmm.
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: TONKA56 on October 13, 2017, 09:46:01 AM
If they have a chance to draft Barkley and don't I will smash my television.

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Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Giant Obsession on October 13, 2017, 09:50:32 AM
With or without Eli, if we have a top 5 pick, it is time to trade down and start parlaying that pick into at least 3.  Then trade the best of those picks we receive and do it again.

Same with our 2nd rounder.

We need  to turn our 2 into 5 in the top 50 or 60.

Then we need the evaluation expertise to turn them into real players.

Tall order, One I doubt the present regime as it is constructed has the wherewithal or ability to pull off.
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: coggs on October 13, 2017, 09:57:06 AM
With or without Eli, if we have a top 5 pick, it is time to trade down and start parlaying that pick into at least 3.  Then trade the best of those picks we receive and do it again.

Same with our 2nd rounder.

We need  to turn our 2 into 5 in the top 50 or 60.

Then we need the evaluation expertise to turn them into real players.

Tall order, One I doubt the present regime as it is constructed has the wherewithal or ability to pull off.
Easier said than done.  Need to have a partner with multiple picks willing to pay your price and who wants to move up.  I get very annoyed when I read people say, "should have traded down..." or "should have traded up and taken....".  Nobody ever knows whether they tried and just couldn't find a willing partner.
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Doc16LT56 on October 13, 2017, 10:13:49 AM
At this point just about every position is a position of need for the Giants (other than DT and TE). They love their skill positions, so if they don't go for QB, they might go RB, WR or even CB.
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Philosophers on October 13, 2017, 02:19:04 PM
Think we have more talent than that.
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Just_jimmy on October 13, 2017, 02:22:21 PM
I'm taking the best QB available at 1 if that's where we pick. We had to give up a ton to get eli and you simple do not get the value of a franchise QB with anything else, if you land it right. Picking 1st overall is so rare you have to take the chance to try and secure the face of the franchise for hopefully the next decade.

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Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Philosophers on October 13, 2017, 05:11:15 PM
Who is that QB cuz I dont see him and I definitely dont think it’s Darnold or Rosen? 
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Doc16LT56 on October 13, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Think we have more talent than that.

QB - Eli will be 37 next season (arguably need position)
RB - Do we have a starter? (need position)
WR - Need to see Beckham recover. Marshall isn't the answer. (according to JR values: need position)
OT - Flowers and Hart? (need position)
OG - Pugh will be a high priced free agent. Jerry/Fluker? (arguably need position)
C - Richburg will be a free agent. Do they think he's worth it? (arguably need position)
DE - Who is the third DE? JPP gets hurt a lot. (according to JR values: need position)
LB - Same as ever. (need position)
CB - Apple isn't getting it done. Does DRC return? (need position)
S - Collins is a lock. Is Thompson? (arguably need position)
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: nygnts4ever on October 13, 2017, 07:18:52 PM
I'm in for taking a shot at a QB.....this high in the draft, you take your shot.  No guarantees.  If we are 5 or higher....a serious OL would be my pick.

Talk of trading down is a waste of breath and typing.....we don't do it....even when it has been proven to all else except the GIANTS brass that it works....to stand there and take a player just because it's your turn to draft is ridiculous....100% old school.
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Philosophers on October 13, 2017, 08:15:28 PM
We have OBJ, SS and Engram (ignoring Marahall) so WR/TE are not needs.

A third DE?  That is a luxury, certainly not worth a top 5 pick unless we are looking to replace 1 or 2;

Collins and Thompson/Adams are fine ar safety.

Apple and JJ are fine for now.

Agree about OL and LB and RB though OL is greatest need as it serves both run and pass.  In fact take McGlinchey at OLT in round 1 then in 2 or 3 take another OL.  Use  other round on RB or LB
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Painter on October 13, 2017, 08:26:52 PM
In addition to recognized team talent/performance deficiencies, and potential losses due to salary cap, free agency, retirement and injury issues, there are few if any teams who would have the luxury of ignoring need in lieu of the annual "best player" straw man. As to the What if.....? You tell me.

Cheers!
Title: Re: What If Giants Draft Best Player Not At A Position Of Need in 2018?
Post by: Doc16LT56 on October 13, 2017, 08:33:54 PM
We have OBJ, SS and Engram (ignoring Marahall) so WR/TE are not needs.

A third DE?  That is a luxury, certainly not worth a top 5 pick unless we are looking to replace 1 or 2;

Collins and Thompson/Adams are fine ar safety.

Apple and JJ are fine for now.

Agree about OL and LB and RB though OL is greatest need as it serves both run and pass.  In fact take McGlinchey at OLT in round 1 then in 2 or 3 take another OL.  Use  other round on RB or LB

Maybe you're a better GM than JR? I won't bet against you.

If you follow the Giants drafts, they take a receiver in rounds 1 or 2 almost every year. That's their philosophy. They also love pass rushers, so you can't take pass rusher off the table when discussing Giant draft plans.

We have to agree to disagree on the secondary. You're also assuming a top-5 pick after 5 weeks. It looks bad now but stranger things have happened.