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#1
Big Blue Huddle / Re: We Are Losing Perspective
October 12, 2023, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 12, 2023, 08:44:39 AMWe put you down for a no, 5487 posts ago.  :knockONwood:

Maybe I should just drop it to 0 for good, no?
#2
Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 11, 2023, 09:19:12 PMHard for me to look at this and not think the Giants and their poor play largely contributed to the other teams having statistically good offenses and defenses.

Yes they have played good teams, but they have looked like they don't even belong on the same field.

It's been the perfect storm of difficult schedule, injuries, poor play and weaknesses being exposed.
#3
Big Blue Huddle / Re: We Are Losing Perspective
October 12, 2023, 08:35:27 AM
Larry I would agree with you if Jones wasn't in Year 5 almost 60 starts into his NFL career.  I don't get the perspective of how you can't evaluate him.  I get the perspective believing that with what a person has seen of him that if he has a supporting cast that can prop him up that he can be a productive NFL QB. But that's just me.
#4
Big Blue Huddle / Re: NY Rangers 2023 - 2024 Season
October 11, 2023, 08:25:59 PM
Don't have a good feeling about this season coming off last year how it ended and what little they did this off season.  Could see them missing the playoffs this year unfortunately.
#5
Quote from: WheresDayne on October 11, 2023, 01:05:31 PMThe point of this topic was't, "Would a top QB prospect want to play here"  It was about DJ's injury and if this gives Schoen an "out" or a built in excuse to draft a top QB.  He could easily say we would love DJ to be our QB until he retires but he has had multiple injuries and this latest one could be the most serious.  This is also a conversation that could be had with a top QB.  We liked the guy we had but unfortunately injuries forced our hand and we had to go back to the well.

I think it comes down to where the Giants finish and where they are slotted to pick in the first round of next spring's draft.  If they are in a position to draft an elite QB prospect due to a poor record this season that will be Schoen's out to draft a QB.
#6
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 11, 2023, 01:25:18 PMAssuming the money is the same, I would suspect he'd rather to go to the Jets, as they are more talented and have a better record.

From what I saw the Jets have more cap space left than the Giants do so they probably end up offering more than the Giants do.
#7
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 11, 2023, 01:54:06 PMIf a Qb gets injured Jones should be on the block as well. I'd be fine with tyrod and devito finishing out the season.

A name I keep hearing a lot in regards to if the Giants were to trade Jones where would be the logical spot? Atlanta, they have a phenomenal 2 headed running game, 2 TEs, plus Drake London, Mack Collins, and Van Jefferson. Arthur Smith doesn't need an elite signal caller just someone to manage the game and he did wonders for Tannehill which got him the ATL job. That's Jones' comp really, Tannehill with legs. Just think it could be a good spot especially with Riddler not really dazzling.

Good luck finding a team to take that cap hit on Jones.

As for whether the Giants should sell, I believe they will be in a position to sell come the trade deadline unless something completely turns the team around.  Should they be in a position to sell they need to collect as many draft picks as possible just in case they need to trade up a few spots to get that QB next spring.
#8
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 11, 2023, 01:13:42 PMAgain if I were the HC, I would lean heavily on the team doctors and other medical professionals who have examined/tested him. In no way would I be supportive of endangering him (beyond the normal, accepted risks of the sport for any player), no matter the stakes. But if the docs gave me the all clear and Jones himself told me he was fully comfortable playing and wanted to, I would play him, yes.

Definitely play him if he's cleared by the doctors.  I doubt the doctor's will clear him if there were any dangers beyond the normal risk.

The Giants season isn't over yet though it's trending in the wrong direction and you want to play everyone who is cleared to go and try to win the game rather than punt it.
#9
Quote from: T200 on October 11, 2023, 10:52:35 AMThere's possibility and probability. Yes, it's possible for him to go back to school. But the ramifications and potential scenarios where something could not fall they way they expect affects the probability. Sure, he *can* go back to school. But *will* he? Too many factors in play.

If the Cardinals or Bears end up with the #1 pick and Williams doesn't want to go there it's more likely that he would pull an Elway/Eli.  It's extremely far fetched that he would reject coming to the Giants because Daniel Jones flopped.

Quote from: katkavage on October 11, 2023, 10:53:48 AMUnless he can orchestrate what team he goes to, this is all jabber and jockeying. Yes the reality is it is a massive stretch. And if he returns for another year, he faces the same scenario as this year. People got to understand that, unless you got a top pick via a trade, the team picking that high will be bad. This is a very silly scenario. Now if the Giants were Jacksonville or Houston I'd get it. Wait. Top QBs went there anyway. Ridiculous.


And even Trevor Lawrence didn't refuse to play for Jacksonville after what happened to Blake Bortles and Stroud didn't reject playing for Houston with the revolving door they've been.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 11, 2023, 10:56:43 AMOr QBs could look at Daniel Jones and say "that guy got paid $40MM to throw 15 TDs? Imagine what I could get if I perform better!"

My point is not that anyone is, will, or definitely has such a reaction... but that we're in fantasy land prognosticating situations that are still in flux and outcomes that may never come to pass. If it's fun, I guess go ahead, I just find it wasted motion.

That's a good point it shows that the Giants franchise will be extremely patient and loyal to you giving you every opportunity to prove yourself whereas other franchise will look to move on after your rookie contract if you don't prove that you're the guy.
#10
It's a massive stretch to say because Daniel Jones flopped for the Giants it means Williams or another prospect will stay in school an extra year.  In that article the team that is mentioned as being unattractive are the Cardinals.  And if Williams Dad talked to Archie Manning who orchestrated his son to be drafted by the Giants going onto have a HOF career it's extremely unlikely the Giants are a franchise that falls into what he is referencing.  The QB's Murray and Mayfield were drafted by the Cardinals and Browns and have had a history of being bad.  The Giants have had three regular Starting QB's this century.  It's hardly a revolving door because one QB didn't work out.
#11
Quote from: katkavage on October 11, 2023, 10:23:01 AMIt's not their call to make. There are worse fates in life than being a high first round pick of the NY Giants. Ask Eli  Manning who made sure he went to the Giants. It is ridiculous to believe a college QB would reject draft status for a year just to avoid being picked by a team in the biggest media market in the world.

And ridiculous to believe one prior QB that didn't work out will make an elite QB prospect not want to play for that team when the QB prior to that played for 15 years not missing a start due to injury.  It's taking one QB and one situation blowing it completely out of proportion.
#12
Quote from: T200 on October 11, 2023, 09:58:47 AMVery few of the players have earned their paychecks to this point in the season. And some coaches as well.

Absolutely no one is above criticism with how this season has gone (players, coaches and front office executives).
#13
Quote from: T200 on October 11, 2023, 07:54:15 AMI'm pretty certain NOBODY wants to be that team. But circumstances being what they are, Schoen has to do what's best for the team.

Plus, players get hurt all the time. Washington didn't end Theissmann's career because they failed to protect him from LT.

With what happened to Andrew Luck that didn't stop the Colts or Anthony Richardson from him being drafted by them this season.  Philip Rivers had no issue signing with them and he was at the end of his career.

IMO what this will come down to is how the rest of the season goes and whether the Giants end up with a draft pick that has them in a position to draft a QB prospect that Schoen and this regime loves.  I don't believe Jones's situation will dictate that with how his contract is structured.
#14
Big Blue Huddle / Re: IF the Giants draft a QB…..
October 11, 2023, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 11, 2023, 07:49:56 AMLet's assume that the Giants are out to draft a QB next year and they have the number one pick, out of all those QBs, who would you think Mara would sign off on and why?

IMO that should be Schoen's call.  He was hired to sign off and run football operations.  If there wasn't that trust that he can make that decision he should have never been hired.
#15
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 11, 2023, 09:53:58 AMNot great.  He almost didnt make it through the Dolphins game and he only played a couple series.  But I'd still like to try it rather than have a shell shocked Daniel Jones go out there and continue to take beatings.

He'll make it through the game.  He's a veteran who knows the situation.  It's why he was brought in by this regime.