Matt Bowen of the National Football Post is writing a series of articles that I think will be interesting to read. His first article is on the Tampa 2 Defense with specific comments this is what Perry Fewell will be bringing to the G-Men.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Inside-the-playbook-the-Tampa-2.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Inside-the-playbook-the-Tampa-2.html)
Dasher here is why I can't see the Giants using a Tampa 2 as their base D:
QuoteThe Mike Backer is the key to this defense and the reason I highlighted his drop in red. He has to be able to run with that inside vertical throughout the route and only at the throw will he get safety help. Think of Chicago and Brian Urlacher
It's better than the Stooge 3 Defense.
That's why Wilkerson is being considered for the Mike. He is the only LB that when healthy has the ability to cover a TE.
Quote from: files58 on May 14, 2010, 09:44:53 AM
That's why Wilkerson is being considered for the Mike. He is the only LB that when healthy has the ability to cover a TE.
Flies, exactly. If healthy, Wilks has the proper skill set for the MIKE in the defensive scheme described in the link above.
Of course, the "if" in "if healthy" is Linval Joseph-sized. I am a Wilks fan and I don't have a lot of faith.
Didn't we play Cover 2 under Spags? Rush four, drop seven? Isn't the Tampa 2 just a riff on Cover 2?
Cover 2 means two players deep in zone. In front of that can be zone or M2M or some hybrid
Agree Wilks is the only one who can cover a TE or RB or for that matter Randy Moss - but all other MIKES are strong point of attack guys with that skill set. I do not see this as our base D....Our corners are press guys and this D is not a press D for the corners....If you play this D you negate what TT / Weby and Ross do best...
However you do play to the strength's of the S - KP / Rolle and Jones..
Chris - I too have always been a Wilks guy - last chance this year - too much speed and talent / shake the inj and see what we got..
My problem with Wiilks is the lack of a second player with a similar skill set. It's not a good idea to build a defense around a player that has a bad injury history. The only way one should do that, is if they have a solid backup behind them, and that simply isn't the case with the Giants.
didn't Fewell say when he was hired that he wasn't locked into any particular defense and that he would fit what he did to the talent available to him, if thats true then how does the media know what Fewell doesn't...
Quote from: jerseyguy on May 14, 2010, 10:26:08 AM
didn't Fewell say when he was hired that he wasn't locked into any particular defense and that he would fit what he did to the talent available to him, if thats true then how does the media know what Fewell doesn't...
It's an assumption on their part based on what Fewell ran in Buffalo. The style of defense will become more clear as the press sees mini-camp and OTAs and can see what they are running. Plus as the players start to play in the new system their comments will also give hints as to what to expect.
Just curious, but no one has really commented on his workshop on the Tampa 2. A key is the N to control the A Gaps- I think that is where Joseph fits in.
I liked his discussion and descriptor of this D. I learned quite a bit from it. Looking forward to his next blackboard lesson.
By the way, Bowen is not your average media guy. He played the game for the Skins and is quite knowledgable with contacts. If he specifically mentions Fewell, I pay it a lot of credence- like the calm before the storm.
N: Rush A-gap weak with a two-way go on the offensive guard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9_ipu9GKw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9_ipu9GKw)
Wilkerson is not a guy who is capable of staying on the field as by now we should recognize.
Dillard seems to posses pretty good speed from what I see on film but i think Fewell will adapt his schemes to fit the personnel.
If the four man DL can't get sufficient pressure on the QB, we'll get toasted in the Tampa 2. We'll need a helluva' Mike for that Scheme, & that we ain't got.
Please don't run a read and react defense with these guys, they'll get blasted while they are trying to learn a system like that. Attack the majority of the time or we'll be seeing more blowouts this season. Man up, kill the QB with stunts and blitzes and hope the offense can score more than nine points against the good teams, that's my strategy anyhow, lol.
Uh - oh. Looks like the MLB matters afterall....even in the Giants Defense.
It's usually the Mike's responsibility to cover the vertical, just like it's the Sam's responsibility to cover the TE. Pierce had trouble covering anyone with speed last year and he knew he was slowing down, thus the weight loss for last season. It still didn't help him. I see the difference in the Tampa 2 as to where the Mike drops back in a pass recognition.
I like the safeties in cover 2 as they can split the field on the deep patterns. The trouble with last year was that the SS stayed in or bit on play action too often, leaving the FS on a huge Island by himself. If Phillips was healthy and played in that situation last year, most of the fans would be calling for his head too.
The Giants can employ a cover 2 in passing situations where the SS drops back while our corners play man and not a zone coverage. There will be press situations, man situations and there will be zone situations all based on down, distance, the size of the playing field, the score, the time on the clock and the team they are facing. It's all built into the playbook.
Let's give Coach Fewell the courtesy of actually developing his own refinement of an NFL defensive strategy before attempting to label him or his aspirations.
"It's better than the Stooge 3 Defense."
I like you Squibber, I'll bet you're a lot of fun. Look forward to meeting you some day. :yes:
LBer quality always matters and thats why I never could understand why some guys will say that LBers aren't very important anymore, I say quality LBers are critical to having a good defense .
JG,
I think all 11 men on any defense are inportant. I think what does differ from defense to defense is who has the play maker role. As a general rule, with exceptions, the LBs are the play makers in the 3-4 and the DLs the play makers in the 4-3.
The LBs are at the very least the reason for a lot of plays regardless of system. The LBs hammer away on the ballcarriers. If you have hard hitting nasty LBs, the cumulative affects of all that hitting takes its toll on receivers and backs alike. The next time a DLinemen or Safety hits the ballcarrier maybe the ball comes loose. Maybe without such mediocrity from the LBs, the QB doesnt have the quick pass and maybe the DE gets the sack instead of the almost sack.
Also, the LBs have equal responsibilities in run and pass so the fumble, the sack, the interception are all in a LBs arsenal of big plays.
We dont scheme to our LBs because we dont have any worth scheming to.
Right off the hop, we play Skins, Girls, & Birds. Six games vs. TE's that can run & catch big-time.
I'm a little cloudy on this one. Whom exactly is runnin' vertically down the middle with these TE's in a Tampa two step? Please!
I'm all for blitzin' like crazy & playin' man. If we go down, go down swingin'.
I'm just looking forward to the day when our defense is able to stop players like Witten and Cooley from making all the plays against our defense that get them into the pro bowl. There is no excuse for Witten to get 12 to 15 catches every time we play the Cowboys and Cooley always has a good day too. I haven't figured this out yet, is it the scheme we're playing or do we just give him all the mid range stuff and figure he can't get the YAC or do we just not have the talent to stop him ...
If given the choice between letting Witten beat them underneath or Owens/Austin beat them over the top, I think the Giants would and should prefer to let Witten be the guy. Of course, it didn't always work out that way but they always had more success if they kept those WRs in check. It didn't help that they haven't had a guy on the team capable of covering those type of players 1 on 1 until Boley and even he was hurt for much of the season. Hopefully he stays healthy this year and when we pull a LB off the field in Nickel and Dime sets he gets the call to cover the Wittens and Cooleys of the world. I think he is very capable of doing the job about as well as anybody can cover a couple of Pro Bowlers.