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#1
Big Blue Huddle / Re: J.K. Dobbins
March 27, 2024, 06:40:40 PM
You guys convinced me.

Risk vs reward = no Dobbins.


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#2
Gents,

To be clear. I'm not saying it hasn't been addressed (I am hopeful) but a bit skeptical.

What I'm asking is, was the FA haul the fix or the beginning of an overhaul topped off by strong draft picks?

I'm leaning toward the latter.


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#3
Ed, my answer to your question is YES.


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#4
Big Blue Huddle / Re: J.K. Dobbins
March 27, 2024, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 27, 2024, 01:51:48 PMNah.  Just draft a stud in round 4-6.  It's easy and super cost effective.
How about doing both?

Dobbins despite his size, is a powerful runner. A bit like Ahmad Bradshaw.


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#5
Addressed the offensive line?

To me this feels like past off-seasons where we were all so thirsty for a functional OL that we got excited over middling signings.

I think most of those signings were depth, and that we still need Day 1 & day 2 OL.

#tradedown
#weneedmorepicks


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#6
Quote from: ozzie on March 26, 2024, 01:18:03 PMI like that he used to play Center.
You know who else used to play Center?

Fred Hoaglin. Arguably one of the best OL Coaches in Giants history.


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#7
This is why I'm so passionate about trading down instead of trading up.

You're going to give away those assets to move from 6 to 4 when the QB drop off is after the 3rd QB is picked?!

It's just not worth it.


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#8
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Mara from the owner's meeting
March 25, 2024, 02:29:37 PM
I'm liking the Waller trade less and less with each passing day.

You're under contract BRO!!

The organization is trying to make personnel decisions and your indecision is getting in the way!

I hope his deadline is within the next two weeks.


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#9
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Mara from the owner's meeting
March 25, 2024, 02:19:20 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 25, 2024, 02:14:42 PMGiven all the turmoil and tension this caused on Daboll's staff last season, does Mara think Daboll needs to change his sideline tone, demeanor, and behavior entering a hot seat Year 3?

"There are times when I wish he would tone it down a little bit," Mara said Monday. "But I'm also in the team meetings, and I see how he acts around his coaches in the office. And he always maintains his cool there. Does he get excitable during the games sometimes? Yeah. So do I. But I don't think it's a major issue."

https://www.nj.com/giants/2024/03/giants-john-mara-sometimes-wishes-brian-daboll-would-tone-it-down-but-mostly-downplays-his-antics.html
My takeaway from Mara?
"I'm in the team meetings"

A) of course Daboll is on his best behavior when Mara is in the room...and

B) WHY ARE YOU IN MEETINGS JOHN?!! 


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#10
Quote from: LennG on March 25, 2024, 01:12:30 PMAndrew, like yourself, I'm going to sound like that broken record also, but the way I see it, like the original cartoon depicts, what good is a great WR if your QB can't get him the ball? We need a new QB and that is, and should be, draft position #1. We have some talented WRs. maybe not a true #1 but what is easier to obtain a franchise QB or a #1 WR?
We may not have the chance to secure the future QB for quite a while, we need to act while the iron is hot and take the guy who will take this team to the next level. A WR simply cannot do that.
If this roster was more than halfway built with solid LOS on both sides, I would be 100% aligned with your position

Sadly after all these years, it's still not.

I'm not looking forward to bringing another QB here just to get David Carr'd.

Our defense is not there yet and that's about a solid rotation that requires at least three of any DT or DE's to stop the run and play downhill.


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#11
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 24, 2024, 02:00:00 PMI think without a doubt that was a disaster picking Toney but for me it was before that in 2019.

Reaching for Jones in 2019 instead of bolstering both lines and waiting on 2020 which was the best draft class for Qbs since Eli's class was the defining mistake of this past 10 years.
I agree they shouldn't have reached for Jones.

But did 2020 REALLY end up being the best QB class since Eli's class?


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#12
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 25, 2024, 11:52:59 AMandrew: I'd like to agree completely, but it is IMO a rare enough event to get a shot at a true "bell-cow" WR to justify jumping on it this year, unless (1) the Giants see a proven elite WR who'll become a free agent in 2025 (for whom they're willing to outbid virtually any other team); or (2) they have a SINGLE favorite high-1st-round-worthy WR in mind this year and that guy is gone.

I do see how waiting fits into your plan, which I like, but it's cheaper to draft one this year than overpay a 2025 free agent, and, there is a high bust rate for first round WR's in general.

Further, IMO there is a least one bust-proof WR this year. Next year? I don't know. Good post.

Bob
Bob, as always I respect your POV.

My only counter to your well thought out position is that college football (as it relates to the passing game) has become a literal minor league system to the NFL.

Quality WR's and (coming up fast) QB's reveal themselves by October of each of the past 5 collegiate football seasons.

Hell Ohio State has produced at least 10 top wideouts in that time...a program that once built its aura around 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

The teams that win year in and year out are built at the LOS on both sides, and start with consistency in the back seven.


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#13
I will sound like a broken record..because on this topic; I AM!

Trade down, grab another 2nd this year and a 1st next year.

Then prioritize OL (yep even with the FAs we picked up), CB, DT.

Next priority LB and WR.

Higher WR & QB should be addressed next year. We're not winning anything this year anyway so having an extra #1 and a top 10 of your own to maneuver, knowing that the trenches on the roster are deep in talent; that's how I'd like to see this team built.


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#14
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Rate the Brian Burns trade
March 23, 2024, 04:46:04 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 23, 2024, 04:38:52 PMDidn't he sign a three year contract with Seattle?
Damn! Don't know how I missed that. Thanks for the heads up!

PS. I wouldn't have spent THAT kind of $$$ on him.


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#15
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Rate the Brian Burns trade
March 23, 2024, 04:31:32 PM
I'd like to see Leo come back at a reasonable $$ amount.

He had good chemistry with Dex and I think he can still bring the pressure.


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