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Big Blue Huddle / Re: The Window For Success
« on: July 19, 2017, 06:04:58 PM »
I disagree here. We won our first 10 games in 2009 and if not for the stupidity of a Plaxico Burress I feel we win again. Our 2009 team was a much better team then 2008. Even with losing Strahan, the 2008 team was flawed but put it all together at the right time. But in 2009, we were a monster thru the first 10 games. I remember saying and reading here many pieces saying we WERE the BEST team in the NFL. Then the unfortunate happens and for other reasons, we had the air taken pout of our sails. We lose in the playoffs when Gilbride had Eli throw over 50 times, mostly into a harsh wind.
BUT, if not for that unforeseen shooting, we were well on our way to a second championship.

I think we're talking about the same team. Use say 2009 but it was the season of 2008. 2007 the Giants went to the playoffs and won the Superbowl on February 3rd of 2008.
Big Blue Huddle / Re: The Window For Success
« on: July 19, 2017, 04:10:21 PM »
Perception and confidence, the Coaches ability to tear down glory. Great points.
I think you all should try to plan on August 4th. I can't make it that day but it appears to be the best date for most of you. Who can make August 4th and who can make August 5th? They should have pads on but watch the weather because if it rains, they will be indoors and you won't have access to that. 

August 4th-

I agree, 75% and Engram on the outside replacing him.
Big Blue Huddle / Re: PFF ranks the Giants secondary number one
« on: July 19, 2017, 08:28:33 AM »
Incredible Giants Pass Defense 2016 Stats:

Top 10 NFL Players 'Plays on Passes' (INT + PD)
   Player   Team   Pos   INTs   PassDef   Plays On Passes
1   Brent Grimes   TB   CB   4   24   28
2   DRC        NYG   CB   6   21   27
3   Casey HaywardSD   CB   7   20   27
4   Marcus Peters   KC   CB   6   20   26
5   Josh Norman   WAS   CB   3   19   22
6   Robert Alford   ATL   CB   2   19   21
7   JJenkins NYG   CB   3   18   21   
8   Malcolm Butler   NE   CB   4   17   21
9   David Amerson   OAK   CB   2   16   18
10   L Collins   NYG   S   5   13   18

I'm wondering if D. Thompson, Apple and Adams will progress even further. You make a great point and the potential for a shut down secondary this league has never seen is exciting. Pray for health. 
Big Blue Huddle / Re: The Window For Success
« on: July 19, 2017, 08:24:25 AM »
Really good points, especially about injuries and other teams raiding staff and the right formula for success.
Big Blue Huddle / The Window For Success
« on: July 19, 2017, 07:01:33 AM »
What does it take to sustain success in the NFL? There have been several teams that have won back to back Super Bowls, the last being the Patriots 12 years ago but these stories are few and far between.

The Giants have never been a repeat threat the following season after a Super Bowl Championship. The closest they came was 2008 and a Strike Year perhaps killed what might have been.

Does success lead to complacency in some cases? Is it the failure of the Coaching Staff to sustain that passion and focus necessary to beat the odds?

Does the Salary Cap and the structure that General Managers build into contracts created an ebb and flow of talent along with shorter peak production years for NFL careers?

How are teams like the Patriots able to remain competitive Year after year? Is it the healthy turnover of players while retaining a key nucleus and a great franchise QB. How much credit is due to the Ownership, Management, Scouting Staff and of course the Coaching Staff?

How does the level of Conference competition contribute to the success or lack of success to potentially strong teams?

How does the fan base and the environment or culture contribute or fail to support the energy of a team? How important is chemistry and having the perfect mix of personalities and leadership? you see the Giants building on their accomplishments of last season and how long will they be able to sustain a competitive team? Is this year the realistic window for the ultimate goal?

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The Front Porch / Re: Cowboys and dognappers?
« on: July 18, 2017, 01:40:28 PM »
Some people just need a good beating. An inside job...ugh!
Big Blue Huddle / Re: NGT--Even more trouble for Ezekiel Elliott
« on: July 18, 2017, 01:30:07 PM »

One version of the Charger is over $50,000 and another version is over $65,000.   Thanks to the rookie salary cap none of the rookies are in the "can easily buy a Ferrari" club

A 24.5MM guaranteed contract. If I made 24.5mm, I would buy you a Ferrari. That wasn't my point though, but Ok.
It's funny how the anti-Eli crowd always bring up his INTs as a factor in holding him out of the Hall.  His career INT percentage is 3.2.  But, Brett Favre who is IN the Hall had a career percent of 3.3,  Hmmmmmmm. :-??

Eli will absolutely be in the HOF someday.
Big Blue Huddle / Re: NGT--Even more trouble for Ezekiel Elliott
« on: July 18, 2017, 01:21:34 PM »
What the heck was he doing driving a Dodge Charger? He certainly could afford a Ferrari. Imagine what we don't know about him. He probably lives in a one bedroom studio apartment and buys generic paper towels instead of Bounty or Viva. Let's not even talk toilet paper... /sarcasm/
That is an excellent point. I would much rather go when they are fully into workouts, like maybe the following week, Aug 3 or 4th.

What are the lengths of the workouts, the usual 2 hours? Coming from Long Island, the earlier workouts, 10:55 might be a bit more difficult because of traffic. So, if I had to pick a day, Friday Aug 4th would be MY best day. That said, I would try and make another day if the majority wants that instead.

The first day to my recollection has never been in pads since I've been going back to 2004
I agree.  Ultimately, the necessary Hall of Fame credentials include big Playoff and Super Bowl victories.  Rivers has zippo in that department.
I agree. Although Rivers has had a great career so far, he's not going to Canton. He was on a very good team early on but that franchise has waned and he would have had more success with better opportunities. Eli would not have faired any better than Rivers did with the Chargers and he may have had a worse career than PR over there.

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I think the Ellison "injury" is something to keep a close eye on once camp opens.  With that said if this turns out like last year we do have TWO FB's also on the roster.  So we are in better shape from a blocking position going into this season then last.

As for all these different schemes it all comes down to one thing! 


If we can't block, give Eli time, open up run lanes and have a running game, I don't care who you got on that field a one dimensional team is not going deep into the postseason.  We have a lot of weapons, but if they can't  run their routes and Eli get them the ball it's mute!

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No doubt about that. It's going to be be interesting in camp to see how the TE's and FB's are utilized. I'm keeping a close eye on Shane.

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