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The Front Porch / Re: Talent show opera
« on: April 26, 2017, 10:09:31 PM »
This passion for Opera can take her places others will never go. It's not a race, it's a marathon. She could perform an Carnegie Hall someday.

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The Front Porch / Re: Talent show opera
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:13:37 PM »
Wow, what a lovely voice. Did she win? She should have. Is she a Senior?

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Big Blue Huddle / Review of The Giant's Draft Class History
« on: April 26, 2017, 02:46:54 PM »
Patti Traina bought this up on our podcast last night. Take a look at the successes and failures of recent years. Some are due to injury and some because of Cap implications but look at 2009-2013 and how many players are still on the Roster and who were busts or bad picks.

Then look at 2014-2016. You all know that we look at 3 years for evaluating a Draft Class but from my perspective there are Draft Classes where we say, wait and see and ones like last year where we see starters and players immediately contributing in meaningful ways.

What were the changes in the approach to the Draft besides John Mara holding Reese more accountable as Patti pointed out? 
Nice article, thanks for posting. I really liked Schwartz and wish he could've stayed healthy enough to contribute.

As far as Flowers, I admit that I am pessimistic. I tried to get in his corner last year, and thought I saw some signs that he was improving early on, but by October it was clear that he had not improved, and may have been even worse than his rookie year. I also keep going back to how he butted heads with Pat Flaherty. Flowers seems like a guy who has difficulty trusting others/taking criticism to me...remember how he represented himself in contract negotiations, or lashed out at the media? Maybe he has never developed his technique because he's just not willing to see things from someone else's perspective, who knows.

He should have been working on his technique at a camp or with coaching in the offseason like Odighizuwa should have become best friends with Osi or a coach who could bring out his talents.
Excellent Article. Moving him to RT is not an option as the learning curve on Muscle movement has to start all over again. Think of Muhammed Ali and how as a right handed fighter he was so fluid circling left. He would have to change his stance to circle right the same way but it would take relearning from the Southpaw stance. Fighters like Evander Holyfield would switch off but not with the fluid dancing motion of Ali.

"Switch-Hitter A switch-hitter is a boxer who switches back and forth between a right-handed (orthodox) stance and a left-handed (southpaw) stance on purpose to confuse their opponents in a fight. Right-handed boxers would train in the left-handed (southpaw) stance, while southpaws would train in a right-handed (orthodox) stance, gaining the ability to switch back and forth after much training. A truly ambidextrous boxer can naturally fight in the switch-hitter style without as much training. Notable switch-hitters include Andre Ward, Terence Crawford, Kelly Pavlik, Marvin Hagler, Carmen Basilio, Marco Antonio Barrera, Winky Wright, Joe Calzaghe, Michael Moorer, Miguel Cotto and Tyson Fury." Wiki

Think of cutting your meat with the knife in your other hand. I'm ambidextrous and I use the mouse with my left hand. When I try to use it in my right it's very awkward.

Flowers needs to get it down at LT or he's going to be moved to Guard because he will struggle the same way at RT and the talent at DE is an equal challenge on either side.   

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I'll be locking this by 2 pm.
Big Blue Huddle / Re: What if we go OL in both round 1 and 2
« on: April 25, 2017, 09:17:47 AM »
It would make sense to me. Flowers being questionable and Fluker on a one year deal, it wouldn't be a bad way to go.

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The question on my mind is if the player is a early or mid second round projection, at 23 would the Giants make the pick?

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Brian and Rich,

Please get together and divide up the questions to ask Patti between the two of you and we want to say who the question is from.

Thank You
Big Blue Huddle / Re: S Jabril Peppers fails drug test
« on: April 25, 2017, 08:38:02 AM »
"Despite the diluted sample, ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper said Monday (via, “I’d be surprised if he got out of the first round.” Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster, who was sent home from the combine after getting into a physical altercation with a medical staffer, failed his drug test in the same manner, and he is still widely expected to be a first-round pick.

“You have to look at it, and every team is going to evaluate it,” Kiper said of Peppers. “You hear what his side says about what the reason was that happened — you’ve heard the same thing from Foster’s camp. You’ve got to look at it and evaluate it, and I think they made the point he’s never had any issues before.”

Kiper said that teams picking in the top 10 may well have eliminated Peppers from consideration for those selections, but he added, “I’m sure there’s some teams in the late first round that didn’t think they’d see him there that may see him still on the board at that point.”

Joe Thomas, an all-pro offensive tackle for the Browns who played college ball at Wisconsin, posted a number of tweets Monday arguing that players who test positive for a diluted sample should be tested again until they provide a sample that can properly be tested for evidence of drug use. “Tester should be able to see it’s dilute right when he receives sample and can then request more samples until it’s not dilute,” Thomas said on Twitter.

“No player should ever have a ‘failed test’ for a dilute sample. Especially at the combine where players frequently chug water to gain weight,” Thomas continued. He noted that players could be “chugging water to hydrate for a day of grueling physical testing. Lack of hydration leads to a significant decrease in performance.”
Big Blue Huddle / Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
« on: April 25, 2017, 08:26:03 AM »
Thanks, Ceri!
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