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#1
IMO the worst thing that happened to the Giants in the past 10 years is that they allowed the Eagles to trade up one draft spot ahead of them and take DaVonta Smith. Not only did they not get a true "can't-miss" WR they then agreed w/the Bears to trade down (apparently prioritizing WR over taking the best player available... Micah Parsons) and compounded that error by taking a loser WR (Toney) with the Bears' pick. IMO trading up one spot last year to be certain to obtain Banks was an ADMISSION of the magnitude of the error they made in 2021 by not trading up one spot to ensure they got Smith.

If anyone can cite a worse move or occurrence in the past 10 years, please feel free to do so (level of difficulty: easy). lol   /sarcasm/

If anyone disagrees that last year's trading up one spot was completely unrelated to their failure to do so in 2021, please make your counter-argument (level of difficulty: not so easy).

Bob
#2
Bobby Okereke and Xavier McKinney each did something this yr that no other NFL player was able to do.

Assuming you haven't already read about it somewhere (as I did), would you care to make a wild guess?

If you want to look it up, feel free to take a shot before looking.

Bob
#3
Last night gave a good view of Bo Nix and Michael Penix, Jr. 

As of now, Nix has one remaining game and Penix has at least one more (plus invitational games). This is what I believe as of today.

Either guy certainly can compete and play some role in the NFL, but they are very different prospects.

Nix - has a few technical issues with mechanics; valiant and competitive; seems like the players think well of him. If he fails it won't be because he can't run the ball. Was nervous last night but quickly got into the game. Tongue-in-cheek, I'd say he'd be a perfect replacement for Daniel Jones (IMO he's the same guy). Those who can't wait to get rid of Jones should beware. Nix will have his shot in the NFL, but I wouldn't bet on him succeeding as a starter.

Penix - This guy is unique, and not just because he's left-handed. The bad news - his mechanics are awful; but his delivery is as quick as it can be with those mechanics. Brings it up from the ground. I don't know how that will play out in the NFL, but I suspect not very well.  The good news - his accuracy is terrific.  How he can throw that way so accurately is a mystery. Has a cleverness about him that reminds me of Mahomes (not his scrambling ability but his look-offs and view of the field seems to be excellent). The verdict - this guy is boom or bust. His success will depend on going to a team that does NOT try to change him. If a coaching staff leaves him alone, he has a small chance to success, but any success will probably be significant success.  I strongly suspect that any attempts to alter his mechanics will destroy his accuracy, but he's clever and football-smart (not very physical; probably won't last long on a team with a bad offense line).

Bob
#4
The schedule is important, or at least Troy Aikman (and me lol) believe so.

The first group of games was against a completely different quality of team than the more recent group.

News articles about our improved defense (or whatever) fail to mention that factor.  Keep that in mind.

Bob
#5
In another post, @andrew_nyGiants raised the issue that no official spotted the ball before the Jets lined up for the spike with one second left (which sent the game into overtime).

Has anyone heard or seen this issue raised or discussed anywhere else?

I have not checked the replay because I loaned my iPad to someone for a few days.

Bob

PS. Also is it actually possible to toss a 30-yd pass & spike the ball in 8 seconds? That's what happened.
#6
I like watching McFadden during the game, more so than Okereke.

It could be because Okereke is a "proven" player who generally speaking has lived up to his billing.

Or could be because I'm surprised opponents haven't tested him more in pass defense?

Could it be something Wink is doing to "hide" him?

Or could it be his lack of notable foot speed is adequately negated because he's IMO a VERY smart player?

Bob
#7
A healthy Daniel Jones would have won tonight's game for the Chargers against Dallas. 

Herbert's non-throwing hand was injured, but I don't think that played much of a role in the outcome.

With the type of OL protection Herbert enjoyed all night (but for the last series) Jones would have come out on top.

Bob
#8
Big Blue Huddle / Professional Sports Is Entertainment
October 03, 2023, 01:15:12 PM
Just checking to see if anyone agrees professional sports is entertainment, as opposed to something else.

If so, I submit that the New York Football Giants are as entertaining (if not more so) than any other team.

It reminds me of pro wrestling. 

IMO the vast majority of those fans attend more to boo the bad guys than to cheer the good ones.

So tell me....  is the NFL nothing more than a complicated form of wrestling?

Bob

#9
Big Blue Huddle / Rub Some Dirt On It
October 03, 2023, 12:53:35 PM
Preface: If you never heard the expression in the title, this article describes it was well as any.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2016/07/16/sports-rub-some-dirt-on-it/87184302/

Aside from numerous key injuries, most particularly to JMS, arguably our "brightest light" this season (which IMO completely changed last night's game), the Giants are stinking up the place.

What now? I don't have any more answer than you do FOR THE TEAM... but I have a suggestion for every FAN.

Get out your ego and rub some dirt on it.  Read the article.

Bob
#10
That's all, folks.  Bob
#11
Maybe this isn't bold, but... if an NFC-East team goes 4-0 against NFC-West, that team will win NFC-East. Bob
#12
Big Blue Huddle / Markus McKethan
August 28, 2023, 07:45:00 AM
How did you think Markus McKethan did on Saturday night?

He was out there a lot (coming back from a knee last year) due to in-game injuries and starters not playing.

It was probably more snaps than they had planned to give him, but I thought he looked good.

Bob

#13
The Front Porch / Great Quotes
July 24, 2023, 12:10:07 PM
If you come across a truly exceptional quotation, please post it here.

I like reading them, so please add any you think are worthy of note.  Mine is from Albert Einstein...

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity (and I'm not sure about the universe)."

Bob
#14
Big Blue Huddle / PFF delusional ???
July 17, 2023, 08:43:53 AM
Here's the latest PFF prediction for the Giants this season:

Over/Under 7.5 win total: Under

The Giants are due for some regression to the mean. They finished 9-7-1 despite being the fourth-lowest-graded team in the NFL overall. They're heavily reliant on the running game, and their back seven on defense has major question marks. A last-place finish in the NFC East wouldn't be that shocking.

Projected 2023 starting lineup
OFFENSE                           DEFENSE
QB Daniel Jones (75.8)              DI Dexter Lawrence (91.6)
RB Saquon Barkley (80.3)        DI Leonard Williams (74.2)
RB Matt Breida (69.5)             Edge Kayvon Thibodeaux (72.5)
WR Darius Slayton (66.0)        Edge Azeez Ojulari (59.6)
WR Isaiah Hodgins (76.1)      Edge Oshane Ximines (56.6)
WR Wan'Dale Robinson (72.0)       LB Bobby Okereke (73.3)
TE Darren Waller (72.4)        LB Jarrad Davis (57.5)
LT Andrew Thomas (90.3)       CB Adoree' Jackson (70.8)
LG Ben Bredeson (57.5)              CB Deonte Banks (72.0*)
C John Michael Schmitz (92.3*)      CB Darnay Holmes (44.3)
RG Mark Glowinski (65.6)      S Xavier McKinney (61.1)
RT Evan Neal (41.8)              S Jason Pinnock (61.8)

Is there anyone here who believes this is even close to a good guess?

Bob
#15
https://www.giants.com/news/brian-daboll-don-wink-martindale-pff-top-nfl-coaches-defensive-coordinators-2023

    Bill Belichick/Steve Belichick, New England Patriots
    Lou Anarumo, Cincinnati Bengals
    Vic Fangio, Miami Dolphins
    Dan Quinn, Dallas Cowboys
    Steve Spagnuolo, Kansas City Chiefs
    Wink Martindale, New York Giants
    Raheem Morris, Los Angeles Rams
    Brian Flores, Minnesota Vikings
    Ejiro Evero, Carolina Panthers
    Steve Wilks, San Francisco 49ers

Wink has clearly earned it. 

So many years in NFL, always producing solid results no matter what group of player they give him.

Accordingly, 6th over all seems about right to me (but see below).

Bob

PS.  I think it's a double standard to allow Steve Belechick to be "bootstrapped" into these rankings on the back of Bill Belechick.  I think it's unfair to the others and if these rankings were actually worth more than the paper PFF wrote them on I would disqualify the pair from the top spot and move everyone else up one notch.
#16
https://www.giants.com/news/brian-daboll-don-wink-martindale-pff-top-nfl-coaches-defensive-coordinators-2023

    Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs
    Bill Belichick, New England Patriots
    Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers
    Kyle Shanahan, San Francisco 49ers
    John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens
    Sean McVay, Los Angeles Rams
    Doug Pederson, Jacksonville Jaguars
    Nick Sirianni, Philadelphia Eagles
    Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills
    Brian Daboll, New York Giants

I'm proud, of course, but to be honest I think it's "too high" (on general principles).

Accomplishments in jobs other than "NFL Head Coach" have relevance, but they are not highly relevant.

As other threads have noted, the element of sheer luck must factor into one-year results.

So IMO while he's off to a good start, one year simply does not merit anything better than to acknowledge Daboll APPEARS to be in the top half of the pack.

Accordingly, 10th over all is a bit too high.

Bob
 
#17
https://www.giants.com/photos/through-the-years-new-york-giants-training-camp

If anyone knows how to get the photo into this thread, I'd appreciate it.

Usually, I'm able to do so, but this time it didn't work.

Bob
#19
The Giants' offense ranked 15th in points and 18th in yards per game last season. Not bad for a new system.

This is the 2nd yr, same coaching staff, but with a significant number of new skill players who fit the system.

Tyrod Taylor said the sky's the limit for the offense this year. I think that is unlikely.

Considering the schedule & the fact that defenses now have lots of film to study, what's the actual limit?

My view... it's reasonable to believe they'll break into the top 10 in both categories. What do you think?

Bob
#20
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason

They came in 29th (i.e., only three teams are worse).

A rookie, a 2nd yr man who barely got by, a question mark (LG), an average vet, and one All-Pro contender.

Not very impressive, but as the author states if just one guy (Neal) steps it up as expected the whole line will be vaulted upward in the rankings (as they should be).  IMO we would then have a Super-Bowl caliber pair of bookends who are very young, and a lot of reason for hope in future years.

Bob

#21
Big Blue Huddle / Jersey Numbers for Draft Class
May 04, 2023, 01:50:55 PM
https://www.giants.com/news/jersey-numbers-2023-draft-class-deonte-banks-john-michael-schmitz-jalin-hyatt

The only reason I'm posting this is because I seem to remember the league considering (or now allowing) use of the number ZERO, and one of the guys we drafted (I thought it was either Hyatt or Gray) wore number 0 in college. 

Bob


https://twitter.com/GiantInsider/status/1654183716539826176
#22
Unless I missed something, Emil Ekiyor, Jr. (Alabama) was not drafted yet

He can play (and has played) right guard and center at one of the Giants' recent "favorite teams" (Alabama).

Sounds like a possible pot-shot for a squad with an aging right guard, and (as of today) no starting center.

Bob
#23
Big Blue Huddle / A. T. Perry is still available
April 29, 2023, 04:11:20 PM
A.T. Perry (WR, Wake Forrest) is still there. 

6'5"  205 lbs. (or 6'3" 195, depending who's numbers you believe).  In any event, he's big and strong. LOL

I wonder if the G-Men might take a flyer on him...

Bob

PS. Forgot to mention... a lot of chatter about him and the Giants pre-draft.
#24
[ See update in post below this one ]

I wanted to revisit the list of guys who IMO played well enough to go in the 1st rd, ignoring positional value.

They're in order from highest to lowest (ties in grading are shown by the fancy numbering system).

1    1a.  RB  Jahmyr Gibbs, Alabama (surprise!)
2    1b.  EDGE  Will Anderson, Alabama
3    1c.  WR (Z)  Zae Flowers, Boston College (yet another surprise???)
4    4.   Guard  Jordan McFadden, Clemson
5    5a.  QB  Anthony Richardson, Florida
6    5b.  QB  Brice Young, Alabama
7    5c.  QB  CJ Stroud, Ohio State
8    5d.  RB  Bijan Robinson, Texas
9    9a.  RB  Deuce Vaughn, Kansas State
10  9b.  Guard  O'Cyrus Torrence, Florida (drafted on Friday night)
11  9c.  Guard  Jarrett Patterson, Notre Dame
12  12a. Guard  Jaxson Kirkland, Washington
13  12b. RB  Tyjae Spears  Tulane
14  14.  Guard  Jon Gaines, UCLA
15  15a. Safety Brian Branch, Alabama
16  15b. RB  Keaton Mitchell, East Carolina
17  15c. CB  Chris Gonzalez, Oregon
18  18a.  EDGE  Tuli Tuipulotu, USC
19  18b. Guard Chandler Zavala, North Carolina State
20  20a. WR (X)  Michael Wilson, Stanford
21  20b. OT  Braedon Daniels, Utah
22  22a. WR (X)  Don'Tayvion Wicks, Virginia
23  22b. WR (Z)  Jordan Addison, USC
24  22c. WR (Z)  Trey Palmer, Nebraska
25  22d. WR (Z)  Quentin Johnston, TCU
26  22e. WR (slot)  Jaxson Smith-Njigba, Ohio State
27  22f.  Center  Alex Forsythe, Oregon
28  22g. Guard  Joey Fisher, Shepherd University
29  22h. OT  Anton Harrison, Oklahoma
30  22i. OT  Dawand Jones, Ohio State
31  22j.  RB  Israel Abanikanda, Pittsburgh
32  22k. EDGE  Nolan Smith, Georgia
33  22l.  CB  Devon Witherspoon, Illinois
34  22m. CB  Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson, TCU
35  22n.  QB  Todd Centeio, James Madison (one final surprise)
#25
A possibly lesser-noticed aspect of the Giants' newest corner back is his ability to play the run.

IMO he's the best run defender in this year's class, in addition to being one of the best athletes.

We got great value from Pick 24. Best of luck, Tae (as I believe he is known) and welcome to the Giants!

Bob
#26
How would you state your personal "Number One Rule Of First Round Picks"?

Mine would be as follows:  "Above all, get a guy who's as close to a 'sure thing' (in your view) as possible under the circumstances."

The rule does not apply when you must take a QB.  In that case, the rule is similar:  "Get a QB who's as close to a sure thing as possible."

Bob
#27
As usual... final week before the draft... we've worn out almost every draft topic.  Almost... LOL

How much (if at all) does experience playing in cold weather factor into the draft for the Giants?

IMO the range of short answers probably extends from "completely irrelevant" thru "tie-breaker" (at most).

So I'll ask it this way... two players graded absolutely equally... one from Big Ten, one from SEC.

Big Ten guy born/raised in Buffalo, SEC guy born/raised in Miami. Is weather a factor to break the tie? 

Bob

PS. Just occurred to me... would like to dedicate this thread to our own JimV, who was for much of his long life a meteorologist.

#28
Here are my 35 guys worth a first-round draft pick based on their performance in college last year.  There are lots of RB's. I don't take into account positional value. I think anyone who's the quality of an immediate or near-immediate starter deserves to be included regardless of position (except for kickers/punters/etc.). This list has nothing to do with the "business" aspects of the NFL either.  Some choices clearly won't make sense for some or many teams.

To be on this list, any guy other than a QB must today be the quality of an immediate starter or likely to be ready by mid-season at latest (QB's must be ready to start by mid-season or next year at latest). There may be a few you never heard about. No surprise. Schools out west and small schools get less media coverage (which, sadly, often translate into less respect).  Oddly, there are no tight ends although many came within a point or two of getting what I consider to be a sufficiently high rating.

They're in order from highest to lowest (ties in grading are shown by the fancy numbering system).

1    1a.  RB  Jahmyr Gibbs, Alabama (surprise!)
2    1b.  EDGE  Will Anderson, Alabama
3    1c.  WR (Z)  Zae Flowers, Boston College (yet another surprise???)
4    4.    Guard  Jordan McFadden, Clemson
5    5a.  QB  Anthony Richardson, Florida 
6    5b.  QB  Brice Young, Alabama 
7    5c.  QB  CJ Stroud, Ohio State 
8    5d.  RB  Bijan Robinson, Texas 
9    9a.  RB  Deuce Vaughn, Kansas State 
10  9b.  Guard  O'Cyrus Torrence, Florida 
11  9c.  Guard  Jarrett Patterson, Notre Dame 
12  12a. Guard  Jaxson Kirkland, Washington 
13  12b. RB  Tyjae Spears  Tulane 
14  14.  Guard  Jon Gaines, UCLA 
15  15a. Safety Brian Branch, Alabama 
16  15b. RB  Keaton Mitchell, East Carolina 
17  15c. CB  Chris Gonzalez, Oregon 
18  18a.  EDGE  Tuli Tuipulotu, USC 
19  18b. Guard Chandler Zavala, North Carolina State 
20  20a. WR (X)  Michael Wilson, Stanford 
21  20b. OT  Braedon Daniels, Utah 
22  22a. WR (X)  Don'Tayvion Wicks, Virginia
23  22b. WR (Z)  Jordan Addison, USC 
24  22c. WR (Z)  Trey Palmer, Nebraska 
25  22d. WR (Z)  Quentin Johnston, TCU 
26  22e. WR (slot)  Jaxson Smith-Njigba, Ohio State 
27  22f.  Center  Alex Forsythe, Oregon 
28  22g. Guard  Joey Fisher, Shepherd University 
29  22h. OT  Anton Harrison, Oklahoma 
30  22i. OT  Dawand Jones, Ohio State 
31  22j.  RB  Israel Abanikanda, Pittsburgh 
32  22k. EDGE  Nolan Smith, Georgia 
33  22l.  CB  Devon Witherspoon, Illinois 
34  22m. CB  Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson, TCU 
35  22n.  QB  Todd Centeio, James Madison (one final surprise)
#29
Still didn't study defensive players in this draft but Zierlein said something today that probably makes.

The assumption is: Giants don't/can't trade Pick 25 and all "real" first-round WR's and CB's are gone.

His solution is to draft Brian Branch, who (like Julian Love) plays both slot and safety and who (also like Love) really knows the game and is like having yet one more "coach on the field."

Not really a 1st-rounder but could be less a question-mark than taking one of a "left-over" CB or WR.

Discuss.

Bob

PS.  Hope this topic wasn't raised before tho I seem to remember it (but I searched and couldn't find it).
#30
Yesterday Schmeelk and another guy did a first-round mock draft (alternating picks between the two of them).

At pick 25, the only TRUE 1st-round-worthy player left (they agreed on this point) was Bijan Robinson.

They did NOT take him, nor did either of them even argue (or mention) the possibility of taking him.

That would be a blunder of great proportion. He would IMPROVE the Giants.

Discuss.

Bob