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#1
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Slayton skips workout, seeks new deal
April 17, 2024, 09:30:49 PM
It's not hard to see why given that the $350K workout bonus is small change when he compares his current 2024 $6.2 million contract to those of others: e.g., Gabe Davis and Darnell Mooney who have been less productive yet are paid more than twice as much.

Slayton has had between 724 and 770 yards per as the Giants leading WR for 4 of the past 5 seasons while during that time his 15.1 yards per reception are fourth most among the 79 pass-catchers with 200-plus receptions. But chances are he now is concerned that if, as is likely, the Giants add a much more highly rated, and productive WR1 to go with the still developing Hyatt and Robinson, it will be at the expense of his production and future with the team.

And if so, good luck and best wishes to him.

Cheers!
#2
Big Blue Huddle / Re: *from the #1 most accurate mock drafter the last 5 yrs
April 17, 2024, 01:06:48 PM
Whether or not most accurate, it does seem quite reasonable, and consistent with the broad consensus

Cheers!
#3
Big Blue Huddle / Re: The BBH/Big Hitter's Corner Podcast w/Ceri Dovey: 2024 Pre-Draft Offense
April 17, 2024, 11:33:57 AM
As always, well done, guys.

My impression is that the sum of needs, costs and performance estimates, barring a math failure, will sustain the current Mock Draft consensus of a WR1 being either Nabers or Odunze which I then see as matter of our exhaustively analyzed, bias-free personal preference.  <:-P

Cheers!
#4
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Ranking the QB prospects since 2020
April 17, 2024, 10:53:53 AM
I do understand that this is how we may choose to occupy ourselves, but until I see one of them and his team win their Conference, i.e. play for a Lombardi, the term "prospect" will continue to be not just be a matter of someone's opinion but will also mean little or nothing to me.

Let me know if you feel that I am being too cynical.

Cheers!
#5
Big Blue Huddle / Re: If we draft Rome.Odunze
April 16, 2024, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 15, 2024, 08:20:01 PMI don't know all that's going on but from a fan's point of view this Hamlet-esque stuff is really ticking me off. 

"Alas, poor Waller! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow
of infinite JEST, of most excellent FANCY...

Cheers!
#6
Big Blue Huddle / Re: If we draft Rome.Odunze
April 16, 2024, 12:46:06 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 15, 2024, 07:27:46 PMI think your point of OBJ changing a bit once Randle came in to play X is my question.  Frankly Nabers can play all three positions but if he plays Z (Hyatt's position) or slot (Robinson's) we lose one of them and I still dont know who plays X.

If the Giants add Nabers, he will be WR1 wherever he lines up. That might be at Y in addition to, or in place of Slayton, or X if they decide to switch Hyatt to the Y. Moreover, it's not like SWR is necessarily of lesser importance as that's where we usually find guys like CeeDee Lamb, Keenan Allen, Cooper Kupp, and Adam Thielen.

Exactly where Nabers will play if not as the Y will be decided in due course, if and when. And in the event, it should be thought of as a benefit not a problem.

Cheers!
#7
Big Blue Huddle / Re: If we draft Rome.Odunze
April 15, 2024, 07:22:00 PM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 15, 2024, 12:47:43 PMMy question Larry about those stats for Nabers is that he played slot 50% of the time.  How much production of his came from the slot vs X vs Z?  My gut tells me his slot production is disproportionately higher compared to X or Z.  If true, i think he is less of a fit given Robinson on the team.

I know of nothing, nor have I seen anything to suggest that Nabers played slot anything like 50 percent of the time, Joseph. Indeed, he rarely ever did.

Aside from agreeing with Mitch that it would hardly matter if he did- just look at his production- Nabers was LSU's wide side Z-Receiver. That, by the way, was where OBJ played at LSU and initially for the Giants. That was until they added Rueben Randle and decided to move OBJ to the X-. Thereafter, it didn't take long before they started toggling him between X, Z, and Slot.

I may be sticking my neck out, and I am an Odunze fan- but I think Nabers can be every bit as good a pass catcher as was OBJ.

Cheers!
#8
Big Blue Huddle / Re: If Oakland and Minnesota can't move ahead of the Giants......
April 15, 2024, 03:19:12 PM
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have Merry Christmas- Don Meredeth.

What say you, Howard?

Cheers!
#9
Big Blue Huddle / Re: If we draft Rome.Odunze
April 15, 2024, 12:24:10 PM
Fyi. Stats from 2023 season:


                  G  Rec  Yds  Avg  TD

Odunze      15  92  1640  17.8  13

Nabers      13  89  1569  17.6  14

Harrison    12  67  1211  18.1  14

Cheers!
#10
Big Blue Huddle / Re: If we draft Rome.Odunze
April 15, 2024, 11:59:48 AM
Do we really not understand that unless Daniel Jones comes back healthy and has remarkable success this season, anything less in terms of cost/performance will ensure that he will not be the Giants QB, or on the roster in the future?

If so, do we- even the most biased of us- not recognize that Schoen & Co. must justify what is still owed to DJ in terms of both money and the best support they can give him re Oline pass protection, and improved WR skills whether with Ondunze, Nabers, or Harrison Jr.?

Whether they will draft a WR at 6 and thus join the Mock WAG consensus, or do otherwise in meeting with our approval, we will know in 12 days and probably no sooner.

Cheers!
#11
Big Blue Huddle / Re: I Believe This
April 14, 2024, 11:23:24 AM
FWIW. Even more explicit.

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/14/brian-baldinger-tiki-barber-warns-new-york-giants-against-drafting-jj-mccarthy/?newsletter_origin=giantswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=0&email=emailaddr

Cheers!
#12
Big Blue Huddle / Re: I Believe This
April 14, 2024, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 14, 2024, 09:14:47 AMI think the Giants feel if they get better OL play especially in pass rush plus get a WR1 and add another RB or TE that a healthy DJ can be a top 12 or maybe top 10 QB and that they can win with that.  I also think they are less concerned than fans are about the injury history and conclude better protection insures against that.  This is the reason they go WR at 6 and maybe RB in round 2 or 3.  If DJ fails, Dabs will be gone and a new coach will then go get another QB in 2025 however the offense will now have a true X WR1, plus a good WanDale and Jalin and a young RB to build around a new rookie QB.

Your assessment is a reasonable one, Joseph. Indeed, I anticipate that the Giants Draft, now in less than 2 weeks, will sustain your expectation, and put an end to the McCarthy at 6 or even worse at 4 or 5 speculation.

While I believe that short of a remarkable regular season/ playoff performance by Daniel Jones, 2024 will be his last with Our Heroes, that said, I share Baldy's view re JJ McCarthy.

It's always a gamble but JJ is too much of a risk to justify "fan pleasing", should he still be available at 6. And so like you, I want it to be a BPA WR1. 

Cheers!



#13
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Arizona Cardinals set price tag to move off of fourth
April 12, 2024, 12:16:46 PM
I don't think it really matters because as I see it, Schoen and Co have no intention to trade up. Moreover, even if McCarthy is still available at 6- the other 3 won't be- I'm not at all sure, they will roll the dice in his favor.

The 3 teams still speculated as trade-up for a QB candidates are: Vikings at 11, Broncos at 12, and Raiders at 13. If one of them feels that it would be worth such a major investment to achieve immediate competitiveness, then it would seem that its target would be either Daniels or Maye at earlier than the Giants 6th overall.

And so, that begs the (my) question, would one of them otherwise make an offer to Our Heroes to get McCarthy? And if so, would Schoenco- reminds me of a Tight End- be interested? My wag is only if it allowed them to still get Nabers or Odunze. Otherwise, Niet!

Cheers!
#14
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Dane Bugler's "the Beast" as a horizontal draft board
April 10, 2024, 11:10:34 AM
Some of the differences between Brugler's (with a r) and Martz's may not be great but can be worthy of note, not that it matters beyond whatever importance we impart to it.

Cheers!
#15
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Waller Still Undecided
April 09, 2024, 02:46:55 PM
Sounds like a guy who won't decide before June 1 or even show up before camp begins. And if cut after June 1, it will cost $7,376,250 in dead cap while saving $6,707,50

Cheers!
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