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Big Blue Huddle / Re: BBH Mock Draft competition
« Last post by Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 08:30:57 AM »
1. Cleveland Browns – Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
2. San Francisco 49ers – Mitchell Trubisky, QB, North Carolina
3. Chicago Bears – Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jacksonville Jaguars – Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
5. Tennessee Titans  – Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State
6. New York Jets – Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
7. Los Angeles Chargers – Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama
8. Carolina Panthers – Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
9. Cincinnati Bengals – Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
10. Buffalo Bills – O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
11. New Orleans Saints – Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
12. Cleveland Browns – Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State
13. Arizona Cardinals – Patrick Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech
14. Philadelphia Eagles – Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
15. Indianapolis Colts – Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
16. Baltimore Ravens – David Njoku, TE, Miami
17. Washington Redskins – Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama
18. Tennessee Titans – Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
20. Denver Broncos – Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Detroit Lions – Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
22. Miami Dolphins – Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
23. New York Giants – Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
24. Oakland Raiders – Malik McDowell, DT, Michigan State
25. Houston Texans – Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
26. Seattle Seahawks – Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
27. Kansas City Chiefs - Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
28. Dallas Cowboys – Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
29. Green Bay Packers – Tre’Davious White, CB, LSU
30. Pittsburgh Steelers – Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
31. Atlanta Falcons – Garrett Bolles, OT, Utah
32. New Orleans Saints  – Adoree Jackson, CB, USC

Big Blue Huddle / Re: BBH Mock Draft competition
« Last post by MP21WAYS2PAY on Today at 07:48:35 AM »
1. Cleveland - QB Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina
2. San Francisco - DE Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
3. Chicago - CB Marshawn Lattimore, Ohio State
4. Jacksonville - RB Leonard Fournette, LSU
5. Tennessee - S Jamal Adams, LSU
6. NY Jets - T Cam Robinson, Alabama
7. LA Chargers - FS Malik Hooker, Ohio State
8. Carolina - DE Solomon Thomas, Stanford
9. Cincinnati - WR John Ross, Washington
10. Buffalo - TE OJ Howard, Alabama
11. New Orleans - DE Jonathan Allen, Alabama
12. Cleveland - LB Reuben Foster, Alabama
13. Arizona - WR Corey Davis, Western Michigan
14. Philadelphia - RB Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
15. Indianapolis - LB Haason Reddick, Temple
16. Baltimore - WR Mike Williams, Clemson
17. Washington - QB Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech
18. Tennessee - TE David Njuko, Miami (FL)
19. Tampa Bay - DE Derek Barnett, Tennessee
20. Denver - OT Ryan Ramczyk Wisconsin
21. Detroit - RB Dalvin Cook, Florida State
22. Miami - DE Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
23. NY Giants - G Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky
24. Oakland - T Garrett Bolles, Utah
25. Houston - SS Jabrill Peppers Michigan
26. Seattle - LB TJ Watt  Wisconsin
27. Kansas City - DE Taco Charlton, Michigan
28. Dallas - CB Adoree Jackson, USC
29. Green Bay - Kevin King, Washington
30. Pittsburgh - LB Tyus Bowser,  Houston
31. Atlanta - TE Evan Engram, Mississippi
32. New Orleans - QB Davis Webb,   California
Big Blue Huddle / Re: SURPRISE ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!
« Last post by tucker115 on Today at 07:38:57 AM »
ANYONE who claims the Giants lost the Green Bay game because of Odell, isn't being honest about that game and is letting their bias show. I broke down the stats, repeatedly, so I won't bore people by doing it again. It's all there on for anyone who cares to know the truth. Rodgers shredded the middle of the Giants D in the second half. End of story. Giants offense had become dependent on throwing Odell a slant and praying he could run the ball in for a TD from there. That's not a viable offense plan for a college offense, let alone a NFL one. And when your defense can't hold the other team in check, it's a recipe for disaster. Bash away at Odell, if you must. But, in this case, the stats don't lie. As long as Rodgers targeted the middle of the field, the Giants D had no answers. Let's not forget the Giants don't even make the playoffs without Odell pulling off last minute heroics and scoring on a simple slant. Odell isn't going anywhere and Brandon Marshall isn't a "threat". Brandon Marshall is there because smart defenses put two, sometimes 3, defenders on Odell, daring the Giants to beat them with what was left of their offense, which wasn't much. If the ball goes Marshall way, that's has nothing to do with Odell's "behavior" and everything to do with Odell's talent. Marshall SHOULD have a big year because any rational defensive coordinator is STILL going to double Odell and dare the Giants to beat him with what's left in the short time Eli has to pass. That means Marshall should see one on one coverage and the vast majority of the time Marshall will have the height advantage over whomever is covering him. If Eli has the time, and can throw the ball high, Marshall will do quite well. But make NO mistake, it will be because of the attention Odell draws that allows Marshall to have the success we all hope he will. If Odell gets injured, don't expect Marshall to save the day unless the Giants are playing a soft/banged up defense. Marshall, without another talented WR on the team, doesn't scare the League anymore. His numbers will pop because Odell gives him what he hasn't had in a very long time, another WR that defenses view as a far bigger threat than Marshall.
Great stuff!  Thanks so much!  Pat's response about not putting a rookie at OT was a fresh perspective. I really like her reasons why a pass catching TE will help the offense.

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Yes Greg, that Eli window is making this year and next year look like must win seasons. I suspect that an OT will be picked up before the third round otherwise it becomes a question of Cap space in the FA Market. I would hope any OT picked would be a starter in 2018.
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Review of The Giant's Draft Class History
« Last post by Vette on Today at 07:33:00 AM »
The first four rounds have plenty of talent to find starters and role players of either solid depth or special teams. When a team picks players like Damontre Moore and doesn't see he's a head case, Ryan Nassib and trades up for a clip Board Holder, Rueben Randle who lacks passion, Hosley who never should have been drafted, Adrien Robinson who had no football skills, Marvin Austin who was a huge reach as a developmental player, Jernigan who couldn't compete with street FA's, Brewer who was a total bust, Dillard who shouldn't have been drafted, Sintim who didn't fit or have the skills, Beckhum who was another reach for a hope and a prayer and Andre Brown who was another poor choice, it forces a team to have to Open up it's pocket book and spend, spend spend.

The Mantra was always to build with the draft and supplement with FA, not find proven players to build a team and pay high market FA prices because that's what the market bears or because players like Odiggy and Moore are not the Gems they envisioned and they have to tie up a Franchise QB money of $20MM in one year to a Defensive end who has been injured half of his career and had only 7 sacks LY and half the Tackles of his best year...which btw was 6 years ago.

Last year was the best Draft after only one year that this team has had since 2007 with at least 4 contributing players. Then throw in the decision not to pay Linval Joseph 5 years and 31MM but then have to pay Snacks 4 years and 46MM because they didn't know what they had in Joseph.

The Giants are devoting 40MM this year in the Defensive Line and 24% of their total Salary Cap and they have two very questionable Offensive Tackles who have shown up to this point to be total busts.

Everything looks rosey right now and smells very sweet coming off of an 11-5 year but if the Giants have another bad draft year instead of the kind of draft they had last year and JPP and or Snacks doesn't hold up playing in very high impact positions, this team is Cap strangled next season or in 2019. Especially if they wait until Eli is shot.

Certainly picking at the bottom of the first round hurts a team's chances but there have been other teams who manage their cap better and find good players in the Draft picking at the bottom while accumulating draft picks. There are also teams like the Browns and the Lions who have disrespected their fan base for decades.

From my perspective, Eli and Tom Coughlin had enough talent to place 2 more trophies in the case, while Brady and Belichick are having their own wing built in the NFL Hall of Fame.       
Big Blue Huddle / Re: With the 23rd pick the Giants take:
« Last post by londonblue on Today at 07:03:49 AM »
Mayock thinks we'll take Bolles if he is there. I remember him calling Pugh correctly so I wouldn't be shocked if the Giants have genuine interest here. If McCaffery, Fournette or DE Solomon Thomas somehow dropped I think they'd be hard to ignore. I also think LB Zach Cunningham or Jarrod Davis may genuinely be in play.
Big Blue Huddle / Re: With the 23rd pick the Giants take:
« Last post by Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 07:01:56 AM »
I really think this is the year the Giants trade up for a play maker or trade down because of the lack of first round talent that they are looking for.

If they don't trade, my guess is they go with Forrest Lamp or perhaps Charles Harris. It wouldn't surprise me if they went with Engram to throw one more pass catcher into the mix for Eli. We'll know tonight. The wait is going to be agonizing.
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Who would you hate to see drafted . . .
« Last post by londonblue on Today at 07:00:13 AM »
McCaffery and Howard are good shouts for both Eagles & Skins. I would also hate to see the Cowboys get DE Barnett or Thomas.
Big Blue Huddle / Re: My 'Giants only' Draft Value Board
« Last post by londonblue on Today at 06:56:59 AM »
My ESPN stats geek cousin is convinced Garcia is not getting out of round 2 in a weak OT draft class it is his belief he may be the best after one year of NFL strength and technique work. He thinks that view is now quite widely shared on the to side but how teams see it is anyone's guess.
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